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Roark
02-02-2003, 04:19 AM
Since the old sticky of this went away, I thougth it appropriate to repost it. It contains some useful tips for challenging proffesor's reviews. Doing so is welcomed, encouraged even. But please take the following into consideration before posting:

1. Be specific. Reference specific scenes in the anime (use spoiler tags where appropriate), specific sentances in the review, and specific things that you disagree with. When making a comparison between two anime, reference analagous scenes and give specific reasons as to why you prefer one over the other.

2. Don't get emotional. The AA staff put a good deal of effort into each review. This means they're as firmly committed to their thoughts on a given anime as you are to yours. This means you can expect argument from them. This does not mean you should get angry when people disagree with you, but understand that it will take a lot to get someone to reconsider their position. Also, learn to step back from the argument and evaluate your position rationally. Also, disregard factors such as nostalgia or seeing it with a now dead friend when evaluating it. Just because Tekken was your first anime doesn't make it any better.

3. Read the full review. This also could be stated as "A grade is just a number". When critiquing a review, focus on the content, not two numbers. If you disagree significantly with the grade, chances are you disagree more with the text that accompanies it. Also, remember that 70%+ is a GOOD grade. In a society where a "C" grade is considered bad, remember that it means "satisfactory". "B" means "above average" and "A" means "exceptional". On a bell curve, a majority of anime should fall between 70-80%.

4. Separate fact, opinion, and truth. Fact is something that has a definate yes or no answer, like "Does kenshin use a sword?". Opinion is your personal view on a subject, rationally backed or not. For example, ".hack//Sign is boring." would be an opinion. Truth implies that a statement has some deeper, metaphysically important meaning. Descartes's Cogito (I think, therefore I am) and Bentham's/Mill's Utilitarian principle (people's actions should be such that they maximize utility (that is, create the most overall good)) are commonly held truths. (NOTE: If people want to debate this, as it is somewhat controversial, do so in the Misc. forum, not this thread).

5. Use correct English grammar and spelling. If you need to, type your reply in a program with a spellchecker. Good spelling and grammar are one of the first things that people use in deciding whether to take your argument seriously or dismiss it. Plus it helps us figure out what you're saying.

Thread will remain open for question on these suggestions, or if other suggestions are added. Please take all tangents (like debates on truth) to the Misc. Forum.

Kain
02-07-2003, 05:25 AM
Just to add to this, I've noticed a disturbing trend not just in the Lounge, but also in e-mails and PMs. Let me give an example:

"OMFG I just watched the first episode of DBZ and even tho I haven't seen the other 290 eps I give DBZ a 97% OMG it r0x lolz j00 4r3 n07 l337 I h4x0r j00 lolz!"

...

First off, do yourself, us and the anime in question a favor and hold off on any "grading" until you have seen the entire anime. The irrationality behind formulating any concrete opinions or assigning a numeric rank before the whole anime has been seen is mind-boggling. Not only are people who do this not giving the anime a fair shake, but they are also are misleading others with incomplete assessments.

In our First Looks, we never give grades nor do we close off any potential opinion changes with statements like "I hate this anime", which should be more like "I hate the first 5 episodes of this anime".

Just a pet peeve of mine.

Roark
04-27-2003, 06:45 PM
Update, after seeing this come up several times.

(numbering assumes Kain's addition is #6)
7. Please don't compare apples and oranges. There are two main bodies of entertainment: comedy and drama. It is rather unfair to knock Excel Saga points because it lacked a coherant plot when it never tried to have one. The seeming incoherance was intended to maximize comedic effect. In the same way, it's unfair to downgrade GotFF because it was too emotional. Dramas are supposed to provoke emotion, and thus should be graded as such. Now, there is a LOT of gray area here, as many shows combine elements of humor with moments of drama, with varying degrees of success. The main point here is: don't fault an anime for not being what it never tried to be. If you want heartwrenching drama, don't hold Azumanga Daioh at fault for not providing what it never intended to give.

Kain
01-10-2005, 10:35 PM
This thread is for discussing how to analyze our reviews, not analyzing any one in particular. But in any case:

Anime A has no lows and yet is given a lower score than Anime B, which has a low. Is this a flaw in the grading system?
This is a common misconception. When a graded anime is dissected, we simply divide their components into two categories based on quality: highs and lows.

Whatever does not appear as a high or low component is assumed to be of average quality and not worth highlighting. Anime A could very well not have any bad elements, but that doesn't mean all of its components are perfect; they could be mediocre. On the same note, even if both Anime A and Anime B have animation as their highs, for example, that doesn't mean that their animations are equal; Anime B could have higher quality animation than Anime A. In that regard, great animation is not perfect animation, and for an anime to achieve a 100% would require perfection in every facet.

This is how a review with no Lows can receive a score less than 100%.

Roark
01-12-2005, 03:36 PM
Reminder: like Kain said, this isn't a discussion about any anime in particular, but on HOW to disagree with a review. It's not even really a discussion on whether some anime should be reviewed differently, but rather it's a meta-critique. When it was written, there were a lot of "OMGWTFBBQ how culd u giv EVA so lo a grade it onoz you!!!111!!" things going around, and this is meant to discuss THAT type of thing, not specifics of what's been graded.

Dtortot
06-20-2005, 02:10 PM
These rules also apply if you want to criticize Student Reviews. And remember something, these are the rules you should follow to make your critic to the Professors and Students reviews. Professors and Students are not to follow these rules to write their reviews, so if a Prof or a student does something that breaks any of the rules above it doesn't matter, because they don't have to follow them. Please keep that in mind.

Erigion
02-03-2006, 02:34 PM
A reminder, this thread is not for posting your own reviews. Nor is it the thread to disagree with the reviews at Anime Academy.

Start a new thread for those two things.