Opinions - Split from First Day thread - see Page 3 for details

[holdenmcclure]

Well, considering this IS my first day, I was just googling Neon Genesis Evangelion vs. Eureka Seven. My friend had exclaimed to me that Eureka Seven was much better thatn NGE and I wanted to see what google thought. I found this forum and heard some pretty damning interpretations of "Shinji", the main character NGE, which is currently the only show I have seen of the two, and only 4 ep's of it. I was quite frustrated at what I interpreted as some self-righteous standards for human behavior as the main character considering the circumstances. I actually created an account for the sole purpose of giving my interpretation of Shinji's behavior of the 4 episodes I've seen and inquiring as to whether their views of Shinji's behavior were largely influenced by his later actions. After listening to some responses and browsing the forum out of curiosity, I've become quite engulfed in the community here and plan to hang around. However, I find the reviews section here absolutely atrocious.

[Shadowmage]

I find the reviews section here absolutely atrocious.

Be sure to learn who reviewed what. Find the Prof(s) who cater to your taste, and then you'll be a happy camper.

[holdenmcclure]

Well, I understand the reviews vary from person to person obviously. Unfortunately reviewers who share similar views as myself have been strangely absent from the reviews I've been interested in. Some of the reviews are just downright ignorant though.

[Le Bread]

Unfortunately reviewers who share similar views as myself have been strangely absent from the reviews I've been interested in.

Like ALL strange phenomena, I'm sure there's a very rational, scientific explanation behind it.

[Niner]

Well, I understand the reviews vary from person to person obviously. Unfortunately reviewers who share similar views as myself have been strangely absent from the reviews I've been interested in. Some of the reviews are just downright ignorant though.

So you thought Tekken, Amazing Nurse Nanako and Onegai Twins were awesome? The reviewers didn't see the brilliance in them?

[holdenmcclure]

So you thought Tekken, Amazing Nurse Nanako and Onegai Twins were awesome? The reviewers didn't see the brilliance in them?
What the hell are you talking about?

[Niner]

NO U. WUT U TALKIN' BOUT CRACKA

Seriously, if you're going to come in and start shit, at least be specific about what you're taking issue with. Saying 'oh, they don't agree with my opinions, therefore they're ignorant and atrocious' makes you look like a giant ass.

[holdenmcclure]

http://www.prostunts.net/gallery/pics/FlameThrower.jpg

[Erigion]

It's like kindergarten in here. Stop acting like a bunch of flaming retards.

[holdenmcclure]

He started it lol.

[Erigion]

He started it lol.
I. Don't. Care.

Stop acting like you're 8. By the way, while I have your attention, learn to use the "enter" key on your keyboard. Seeing a giant mess of 10+ sentences in one paragraph makes a pile of shit look organized by comparison.

[Mouse]

Mmm, Erig getting to flex his mod powers again. So hawt.

:3~

[Roark]

Well, I understand the reviews vary from person to person obviously. Unfortunately reviewers who share similar views as myself have been strangely absent from the reviews I've been interested in. Some of the reviews are just downright ignorant though.
Feel free to post dissenting opinions. We actually encourage that here. Just try and call out specific things you don't agree with so we get interesting discussion. Just saying "whatever review sux" is kinda pointless.

Also, keep in mind that a lot of the reviewers approach things from a more cinema background.

[holdenmcclure]

I. Don't. Care.

Stop acting like you're 8. By the way, while I have your attention, learn to use the "enter" key on your keyboard. Seeing a giant mess of 10+ sentences in one paragraph makes a pile of shit look organized by comparison.
It was a joke jeez. The whole kindergarteners thing... I thought it was funny.

[animanic_critic]

It was a joke jeez. The whole kindergarteners thing... I thought it was funny.
I think you're the only one who finds it funny.

[Mana]

As witnessed in the thread up in Anime, it seems there's still some confusion here.

What the hell are you talking about?

The point that Niner is trying to make was in regards to your unspecific and rather inflammatory posts regarding AA's reviews.

However, I find the reviews section here absolutely atrocious.

Some of the reviews are just downright ignorant though.

(NOTE: Some of this is my interpretation of Niner's subtlety, some of this is my own thoughts and projections, but I believe he and I are on the same page)

I believe his intent was for your to share exactly what you feel is so terrible about our reviews and which ones you tend to disagree with to such an extend as to make these claims. Why exactly do you find our reviews "atrocious"? What is it that makes us "ignorant"? You are making a lot of volatile claims without saying anything of worth to back yourself up.

Your GitS thread was a start; at least you listed off a title. And yet, you say absolutely nothing about what you actually think and why the review was bad in your minds, just saying that "it's nuts," which is a wrthless claim.

Basically, sh*t or get off the pot. If you disagree with reviews, fight for your opinions (or at least even state them!), don't just come in and make trollish posts about how much we suck without doing anything to back yourself up.

[laborpilot86]

Mana is correct, either back up your arguements or be quiet.

[Neo-Hunter]

Mana and erig bitchslapping noobs since hell i don't even know.

[holdenmcclure]

I'm dropping off that boat completely. My opinions, (when they are varying from others) whether I back them up with my reasons or not, haven't been received well. As for that "newbs" comment, bite me.

[General Suburbia]

My first day at Anime Academy, 2003-ish. I was still watching anime then. Now, not really.

Back when I named myself the ****tarded "Gesundheit", realized it was shit, then switched to "Lavi" for reasons I forget. Then got bored of that, and just started another account all together. I might have changed names again sometime in the past, but I don't remember.

And HoldenMcclure, state your opinions anyway. What's the worst that can happen? OMG, I looked stupid on the internets.

[Mana]

Mana and erig bitchslapping noobs since hell i don't even know.

:hump2:

Bitchslapping anybody really isn't my intention. I'd rather facilitate discussion than shut anyone up. It seems my words had the opposite effect, however.

[holdenmcclure]

What's the worst that can happen?
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[Milkymagic]

My poor thread, my beloved "First Day At Anime Academy thread!" :whine:

Well, I'm with the house on this one Holden. I feel you need to state your arguement as opposed to just flat out starting one. We all have opinions that we're pretty cemented with, and whenever somebody disagrees, we do find it in ourselves to make the best defense we can. But when you don't do anything to defend your opinion, or at least make yourself clear, you're not really doing anything at all.

And this is just me stating an example below, so it isn't my overall opinion or anything. ;)

Example of what I'm getting at:

If I think your opinions suck, would you demand a perfectly good explanation for why I would think so? Or would we assume I don't need one because just stating such means I'm right?

Look at your Ghost in the Shell thread, I stated why I liked Angel's Egg and Ghost in the Shell, two anime that have recieved poor reviews on this site. And did anyone persecute me? NO!

Of course, if you have a much deeper opinion than I do, then it never hurts to express that either. As long as you don't attack people with your viewpoint it shouldn't be a problem. If you disagree with an opinion, the whole world is generally cool with it, unless you press your opinion like it's more fact than opinion, then you may be challenged to say the least.

So there you go, you can have your opinion, and nobody should have a problem with it as long as you make yourself clear.

And hey, I like Wicked City because it has stylistic visuals and exciting action sequences, along with a plot that I felt fit the visuals on the screen perfectly. I'd go as far as to say it's a 10 out of 10 for myself, but that's just how I present such an opinion: Wicked City is a "personal favorite", and I keep my opinion that simple.

But again, it never hurts to open up some discussion if you feel there's something that needs to be addressed, just remember to approach your discussion in the most civil manner possible.

[animanic_critic]

I'm dropping off that boat completely. My opinions, (when they are varying from others) whether I back them up with my reasons or not, haven't been received well.
Your opinions? Have you actually made one since you arrive here in AA? The statements you've made like "Oh, the reviews section are atrocious" are not opinions; they're just disagreements. If those opinions were from other forums, then forget about them and move on to here. Who knows, maybe those forums are blatantly intolerable of different opinions.

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What, you're afraid of getting negative feedback or getting into posting wars!? Please, holdenmcclure, how bad of a backlash are you going to receive? I had a horrible lashing when I came here for the first time... remember my review of Monster here?

Big deal, all the negative feedback you'll probably get come with good intentions... at least it's better to put up with those feedback than the ones you're getting now.

[Niner]

Niner should go into porn.
Way ahead of you there >_>

And I must give credit to you, a_c. You started out as an overly eager beaver, but you're actually an okay guy and a good reviewer. And even at your most eager, you were never as annoying as this holden prick is now.

[holdenmcclure]

I rip people new *******s because I love.

That is, I love to rip people new *******s.

<3
...as this holden prick is now.
Your not exactly coming off as an angel either "Princess"

[Niner]

Why are you still posting? Go away already.

[holdenmcclure]

Oh noes

[Niner]

Your not exactly coming off as an angel either "Princess"
Am I wrong?

[holdenmcclure]

Am I wrong?
I think your childish namecalling is undermining some understandable reactions from some of my opinions here.
Why are you still posting? Go away already.
Whatsa matter? I thought you LOVED ripping people new *******s...

[Niner]

I disagree.

I think your confrontational attitude and unwillingness to back up your own opinions with concrete reasoning do more to undermine yourself than anything I can say or have said. You post that you think the reviews here suck, that's fine. The staff asks you to expound on your opinions since it helps them get better, you refuse to. That's fine too, if unwise and unhelpful. But then you go above and beyond the call of douchebaggery by shitting threads up with stupid memes and lame jokes that nobody finds funny when you could have been using the same effort to come up with a coherent response to the staff. You have demonstrated very little for me to think of you as more than just another troll.

So I ask you again, am I wrong?

[holdenmcclure]

I disagree.

I think your confrontational attitude and unwillingness to back up your own opinions with concrete reasoning do more to undermine yourself than anything I can say or have said. You post that you think the reviews here suck, that's fine. The staff asks you to expound on your opinions since it helps them get better, you refuse to. That's fine too, if unwise and unhelpful. But then you go above and beyond the call of douchebaggery by shitting threads up with stupid memes and lame jokes that nobody finds funny when you could have been using the same effort to come up with a coherent response to the staff. You have demonstrated very little for me to think of you as more than just another troll.

So I ask you again, am I wrong?
"Shitting up threads" is certainly a strange way of looking at it. I gave an opinion, some agreed some didn't. Thats the whole thing about opinions. Just because you take them personally doesn't make me "hostile" or wrong, when in fact you are the one who has responded with hostility. Your the one being the douchebag coming over and flaming whatever you don't agree with. The reason I don't feel to elaborate on the remarks I've made here is because the only response I'll get is flame and flame again. Right now I'm looking to this site for information and questions, and a little insight of my own every now and then when I feel like it. If you've got a problem with that you can **** off. If I was trolling like you, I would question why anyone cares about the opinions of a gender confused, self-righteous, douchebag like you. You wanna call names then two can play at that game.

[Kavik Ryx]

All the fighting over who's the bigger dick. It's high school all over again. Then again I was surrounded by idiots, nut cases, and embraces of Machiavellian politics. If I were surrounded by more level headed people, thank you college, I would have made a hell lot more enemies. I say the bigger dick is the one who does not overreact in a non aggressive situation.

[Digital_Drunk]

I would question why anyone cares about the opinions of a gender confused, self-righteous, douchebag like you.

gender confused: WTF is wrong with gender confused! U keep saying that with very strong, and negative, conviction. Please do not insult ppl who do not conform to ur "normality"

self-righteous: um well, righteous is as righteous does ;)

douchebag: WTF is wrong with the douche!
(ROFL, made myself laugh for the second time today)

And not that anyone here is any of those things, as i do not really know u, so i have no way of telling. And i myself may be one or more of them... (ok maybe not a douche)

[Niner]

"Shitting up threads" is certainly a strange way of looking at it.
o rly
http://www.prostunts.net/gallery/pics/FlameThrower.jpg
He started it lol.
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INTERNET TOUGH GUY
Yes, I saw that last one, don't think you can just edit it away. All of these look like threadshitting to me.

I gave an opinion, some agreed some didn't.
o rly rly
However, I find the reviews section here absolutely atrocious.
Well, I understand the reviews vary from person to person obviously. Unfortunately reviewers who share similar views as myself have been strangely absent from the reviews I've been interested in. Some of the reviews are just downright ignorant though.
You made statements which you did not qualify for explanations. Sorry if people want to understand WHY you think the way you do.

Thats the whole thing about opinions. Just because you take them personally doesn't make me "hostile" or wrong,
I don't take them personally, to be honest. The reviews you were insulting were not my own, but rather those of this site. I just think if you're going to make a qualitative remark on the writing of this site, you should back it up with specific examples.

when in fact you are the one who has responded with hostility.
o rly rly rly
Seriously, if you're going to come in and start shit, at least be specific about what you're taking issue with. Saying 'oh, they don't agree with my opinions, therefore they're ignorant and atrocious' makes you look like a giant ass.
I still stand by that statement. This site isn't the biggest anime site on the internet, but it does have an excellent reputation for quality and sound reviewing. You coming in and slinging words like 'atrocious' and 'ignorant' without adequate justification isn't really going to sit well with people who have been around AA for a while (like me) and know the soundness of the reviews they put out.

Your the one being the douchebag coming over and flaming whatever you don't agree with.
You've never backed up your opinions with anything, so I have very little to disagree with on that front! As for what I truly disagree with; that, sir, is your attitude. Not backing up your acerbic opinions, posting ridiculous images and memes that serve no purpose and are not funny and not responding to criticism? Forgive me for not agreeing with your juvenile methods.

The reason I don't feel to elaborate on the remarks I've made here is because the only response I'll get is flame and flame again.
How do you know that? You don't, because you haven't made the effort to do it. The reviewers here at AA aren't simpletons and would more than likely respond with grace and understanding to a post with valid, thought-out points that disagree with their opinions. That is of course, assuming your opinions are of that variety. If they're like 'lol NGE is teh bestest evar, CHARACTER INTROSPECTION DEEPEST YAY, everything else sucks balls lol lol lol', however, then perhaps you'd be best keeping them to yourself.

Right now I'm looking to this site for information and questions, and a little insight of my own every now and then when I feel like it. If you've got a problem with that you can **** off.
I have no problem with that. As I've stated before, the only problem I have is with you not backing up your statements with a reasonable opinion beyond 'these reviews suck'.

If I was trolling like you, I would question why anyone cares about the opinions of a gender confused, self-righteous, douchebag like you.
Because my opinions are thought out and reasonable, unlike yours.

[isolatedotaku]

I remember my first days at Anime Academy. Niner tore me a new ******* and I deserved it. Now I stand by and watch him tear other people, sometimes I come back for more.

From what I've observed, Niner is defending intelligence and nothing more. Which makes this quite comical.

[animanic_critic]

Your not exactly coming off as an angel either "Princess"
He's not an angel. No one here is an angel. In fact, who exactly says he's an angel anyway? And wow, that 'princess' reference is clumsily taken out of context.

I think your childish namecalling is undermining some understandable reactions from some of my opinions here.
WHAT OPINION!? You technically hadn't made any to me :/


Whatsa matter? I thought you LOVED ripping people new *******s...
This is kinda dumb... because he's already ripping you apart. And another thing: Why are you agitating him even more? Aren't you the one who doesn't want...

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...? Now, actually you're the one coming off looking childish to the rest of us.

"Shitting up threads" is certainly a strange way of looking at it. I gave an opinion, some agreed some didn't. Thats the whole thing about opinions. Just because you take them personally doesn't make me "hostile" or wrong, when in fact you are the one who has responded with hostility. Your the one being the douchebag coming over and flaming whatever you don't agree with. The reason I don't feel to elaborate on the remarks I've made here is because the only response I'll get is flame and flame again. Right now I'm looking to this site for information and questions, and a little insight of my own every now and then when I feel like it. If you've got a problem with that you can **** off. If I was trolling like you, I would question why anyone cares about the opinions of a gender confused, self-righteous, douchebag like you. You wanna call names then two can play at that game.
Again, WHAT OPINION!? I really didn't see any. If you did make one, then perhaps it's so unjustified that it didn't even come off as a opinion. Furthermore, wasn't it you who responded with hostility? Yes, he did gave a acidic comment to you (he have done this to many noobs including myself a long time ago... but believe me, he does it fairly) but you then replied with enmity. He comments with logic. Do you comment with logic as well? So far, it's obvious that your manner of response is out of emotion - you don't like what you're seeing and that's it. About "shitting up threads", well you did get our beloved Eureka Seven VS Evangelion thread closed successfully.

You're getting flamed because you're not respecting the veteran members here. Yes, you should respect us first before we can respect you. If you ask why, perhaps we should ask you the same question. Why should we listen to you when we can choose not to? You come here demanding respect with a foot down to the ground when you should earn it first.

Trolling... *sigh* See here? You didn't even bother to read some of us previous posts for you, which is why you still don't understand what's trolling. Why should he piss off!? He's been here longer than you so he's got more right to do whatever he wants.

If you prefer, we can put it in a more blatant way: At this rate, you would probably get banned, but if that happens then you'd prefer going down in a blaze of glory... but I know you wouldn't want that but somebody maybe compelled to do so.

"If I was trolling like you, I would question why anyone cares about the opinions of a gender confused, self-righteous, douchebag like you"
You are questioning people so that means you are trolling, right?

[Mana]

As flame-y as this is starting to get, I'm hestitant to get rid of it entirely. Seems like an anti-climax if nothing else. If you guys can keep the insults down and keep this a more real discussion, I'm fine with leaving it open. If all we get is trolling, flaming, and "no u"s, I'll just close it and that'll be the end.

In any event, this discussion was getting horribly off-topic and needed to be moved to its own thread. I'll merge some of teh older posts more relevant along these lines here into this thread soon, in hopes of cleaning up the "first day" thread.

[Mana]

I think all the necessary posts have been moved over. Due to the split, some posts may seem a bit odd. Please keep things at least relatively civil.

[Milkymagic]

I'll merge some of teh older posts more relevant along these lines here into this thread soon, in hopes of cleaning up the "first day" thread.

You are the best Mana, thank you! :D



And Holden, I just want you to know that you're proving nothing because you clearly lack the capacity to defend anything, let alone yourself. You're wasting space on this forum by not getting at anything and it's really sad to see you're not making an effort to understand what we're trying to tell you.

In other words, you still have not answered the base question we've all been eager to understand from you:

Why are the reviews on this site atrocious?

Give us a clear answer, back up your stance with some reasoning, and give examples of what bothers you.

And quit attacking everyone, it has no real benefit to whatever your cause is supposed to be. Think about what I'm saying, when you attack people without any clear cut reasoning, how does that make them see your point? Oh wait, as I've said before, you didn't GET AT ANYTHING!

Answer that huge question I have above, stop attacking people, and be civil. And just for your safety, don't even try to kid around, because it's not working for you.

I really want to be a nice guy about this, but you're really bothering me with how you're speaking to other members on this forum. You lack manners my son, and this is your golden opportunity to turn everything around and give all of us a larger understanding about what you're trying to communicate here.

I'm trying really hard to be nice, but I just want you know, if you continue down the path you're leading yourself through, even I will turn my back on you.

[ProfessorWashu]

Didn't this argument originally begin as a dissenting opinion that holden held about a review of Shinji Ikari as a character? And then, no matter where the hostility started (it really doesn't matter) things got out of hand?

Holden. Perhaps if you tell us exactly what it is in the review that you disagree with, why you disagree, and what you think SHOULD have been said, so we can end this little blood war and find peace for all parties.

You say that you believe that, considering Shinji's circumstances, he should've been given more leniency for his weakness. However, I'm afraid that I can't help but notice that you mentioned that you haven't actually finished watching Eva yet. As a major Eva fan, (and therefore as somewhat of an authority on the show) I would encourage you to watch the entire show before you argue with a review of Shinji Ikari's character.

Sure, in the early episodes it seems as though he is a victim of circumstance, but as time goes on and his life improves, he remains a coward and a wimp. He never improves, even as his situation does. In fact, he seems only to degenerate. For example, even after he befriends quite a few people and has kindness coming from Misato, Asuka, and (to some extent) Rei, Shinji STILL believes he is hated by everyone. Further, he refuses to rise and defend the people he supposedly cares about because he's afraid they don't care about him (even though they've given him infinite reason to believe otherwise). That's what makes him particularly unlikeable. But that's my own personal interpretation of Shinji. Why don't you tell me yours, and why you think what you do? But be sure to watch the entire series first. (I would also encourage watching the movies.)

Let's stop arguing about the whole "reviews are ignorant" or "reviews are atrocious" thing. Holden, you may dissent with reviews, but you should choose your words more carefully as to how to express your dissenting opinion. Unfortunately, you have a penchant for selecting hostile words, such as "ignorant" or "atrocious". And your style of humor doesn't seem to be very well recieved either. Finally, you've a nasty habit of picking fights over small issues. I'm not saying not to be yourself, I'm just saying you may need to reconsider how you say what you want to say if you don't want to start arguments.

Finally, the whole "express your opinion" argument. Holden, I believe you are trying to state your opinion, but here at AA we like to have a lot of backup to hold down an argument. You can't just say "Shinji was underrated in general because the people did not consider his unfortunate circumstances." Delve deeper. Tell us what circumstances. Tell us why they bend the scale toward pity rather than disgust toward Shinji. Follow the example review of Shinji I've given you. Heck, argue with the opinion right here and now! ^_^

Note: Essentially Milky and I are asking you to do the same thing. Mostly I just wanted to stress his points and give an example of a way to express your opinion here. That, and I wanted to express my disagreement with your interpretation of Shinji. :P

[Neo-Hunter]

oh dear i missed an argument, I agree with niner and some of the others you should back up what you find is a horrible review and then post with atleast some information on why you think it's a bad review, we would listen to your opnion and given you our thougts. Also on a unrelated note I wouldn't mess with these guys if I were you because payback is a bitch and they'll get you especially Niner.