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Animeoftheheart
01-15-2008, 10:28 PM
(Please read from Top to Bottom)Yes....... I know that only Onegai Teacher got a good review, but i disagree with the professors on the call about Onegai Twins. I mean NO OFFENSE to them, but i referred the anime to several of my friends at college, people on Guild Wars, and MANY other sites such as Gaiaonline, and quite frankly.......... these reviews don't even match up with what I've gotten as feedback from even complete strangers about the show. Some call this their new favorite anime. They thought the plot line went pretty well. This coming from a group in our school that ACTUALLY DOES rate anime. The random people who just found out about this anime for the first time even thought it was "great". Heres one more thing, a KEY part in reviewing an ANIME is not comparing it to a predecessor, but placing it in its own category and judging it. When a band competes in competitions, the judges don't say, "well you had flaws and quite frankly....... (enter school name/band) beat you!" There were several points in the reviews that i saw opinions which have NO place in reviews for an anime. Saying "i would say" several times in a single paragraph doesn't help you much either.
Though yes the plot doesn't go as far in the beginning as it could have, there ARE KEY POINTS in which it DOES move. The main plot branches out and kind of makes a new root out of a branch. "The Love Alliance" and all things that lead to this ARE ALL part of the plot. The bathroom scenes were CRUCIAL to the entire plot by the way. The bathroom became their place to talk to each other without the interference of Maiku. IF you looked at the plots developement instead of that other C*AP, maybe it wouldn't have been as bad as you thought. MY suggestion, is that you RE-EVALUATE the anime, so that you can think about what i said. Again...... no offense professors, but please re-evaluate the method to your madness. Judging on your "lectures", I've studied all of them, and I had to mention this...... Please forgive me if i have offended you. Gomen nasai. Ittekimasu.
Two-twenty
01-15-2008, 10:51 PM
Disagreeing with reviews goes in the Library subform.
Also, please edit your post so it has propper punctuation and paragraphing.
It's unfortunate that neither Eek nor Keitaro are around much anymore, so they can't stand up for their reviews. Personally, I've never seen either Oneigai Teacher or Onegai Twins, so I can't say.
However, I do have one big flaw with your criticism of the Onegai Twins review, and that is your standpoint on the comparisons. While comparing two unrelated anime in a review is not a good thing, comparing a sequel to its predessor is perfectly natural and common. Because the two shows are so inextricably linked, it's hard to completely ignore mentioning the earlier one, and many people who watch a sequel will want to know how it lives up to the original.
To use your analogy: While it may not be correct to compare a band's songs to completely different bands, it is correct and proper to compare the songs to any previous albums or singles by that band.
Reading both reviews, I don't think there was even a lot of comparison, to be honest. While both Keitaro and Eek mentioned Oneigai Teacher and compared/contrasted a few things, the most important parts of their respective reviews talked soley about Onegai Twins.
Our protagonist, Maiku, is as predictable as they come; going from bad to worse we have Karen and Miina, two girls who could not possibly have been more fake and irritating. Their emotions just are not convincing, nor could I feel for these characters. With the help of an ill-fitting cast of characters, the plot goes nowhere very fast. In a mind-numbing twelve episodes, there is almost no actual content. The story intentionally stalls for several episodes for no reason other than to take up time.
The plot revolves around three kids repeatedly saying the same thing: "We might be related, but we might be strangers". This method is quickly overused in the first episode and every episode after that. However, it is not the fact that the plot is ludicrous, but rather, it goes nowhere after the second episode; no time is spent attempting to figure out who is related. By the time the series is wrapping up, it tries to make things seem dramatic but runs into yet another problem: characters you could care less about. Simply put, you are never given an opportunity to have a shred of sympathy for them. If some light was shed on their pasts, we would be more inclined to understand their situation, but most episodes are wasted with the girls taking a bath and pondering if they might be related or strangers. Speaking of taking a bath, this series has no problems at all with displaying massive amounts of fan service. I would say that the vast amount of fan service detracts from the series, but that would be false; there really isn't anything to detract from.
They were both very harsh on the show, but I can't really say much about that either way, since as I said, I haven't seen Onegai Twins, so I don't really have much to comment on. Perhaps someone more acquainted with the shows will post and explain their reasoning.
maxxus09
01-17-2008, 01:06 AM
i iwish there is a sequel of onegai teacher... harharhahr!! *EVIL GRIN*
ShinoMatrix
01-17-2008, 02:46 AM
Sig too big...
Anyway, the reviews may sound quite harsh, but having have seen both shows, I wouldn't say that I disagree entirely with them either. There was barely any substance to Onegai Teacher and even less so in Onegai Twins. It played on the subtle titillation that a possible incestuous "event" could occur and the kinds of drama, err, comedy that that could entail. If I were to review the series based on laugh, I'd say I got a chuckle, but to review based on the premise that this could be my latest "favourite anime", then sadly it would fail that attempt, for it to be a favourite, it needed to actually get somewhere.
Animeoftheheart
01-22-2008, 12:44 PM
Ok so heres the verdict with my "buddies". This anime can not be called a "sequel". Though there are cameo appearances from characters in Onegai Teacher, it cannot because of the factor that it is not carrying on the same story, or a similar story. This simple fact denies it from being classified so.
What they and I realized (after reviewing the "Art of Reviewing Anime" page on site), is that the professors "do" have both their good and bad points on their views. On one side, the "unavoidable" animation problems. The reason we say "unavoidable", is because unlike animes such as Onegai Teacher, it uses more real science than fake (i.e. falling from 20 feet and dying vs. falling from 20 feet and surviving with scratches)(not that either of the 2 are in either anime). This fact means they don't have too much to animate other than some of the more basic things.
The reviews also had their bad points that don't make as much sense as you would think. The "excessive fan service" that eek mentions, is visible in ONLY 2 episodes (one being the OVA). We reached "verdict" that since the characters Mina and Karen didn't exist before episode 1 of Onegai Twins, there is no way you can call the bathroom scenes in every episode "excessive fan service", due to the fact they had no fans to begin with, and carried on even "after" they had fans.
Eek seams to be the over exaggerating type of person because he says "The plot revolves around three kids repeatedly saying the same thing" and afterwords, "This method is quickly overused in the first episode". They say the phrase mentioned quite literally once. The "method" does have it's madness, but the show does revolve around that meaning that they "could" or "could not" be siblings. Going against your own words is a bad thing to do, especially when you say the plot pauses after the second episode, and it keeps going throughout the series with something like the limb of a tree becoming a root by leaning over into the ground (this does happen in real life just to clarify). Its a pretty good analogy if you think about it.
The characters were somewhat predictable, which i can somewhat agree with in their reviews, but Maiku (or Mike in the English dub) was definitely the most predictable of the bunch. In that, almost everyone in my group believed. The only thing that made him unpredictable, is that instead of comforting someone in a time of need or something like that, he called them stupid. So in a way, still not "as predictable as they come".
Eek had a good point on that little or none of their past is shown, but also, Mina's entire past gets shown later when her friend appears. The pasts of all 3 of them are actually shown, but i guess that he didn't notice when Karen's past before this was shown. It was about a 3 minute conversation that happened between Maiku and Karen. Directly after of course was something that would make just about anyone including Eek forget about it. One of the "hilarious" scenes. Maiku has no "before", because he has just lived in an orphanage his entire life.
Because i am rushed for time at the moment (i have to be at a meeting 20 minutes from now and I have a 15 minute commute), I'll finish this later, and give you something to chew on untill I'm back.
ShinoMatrix
01-24-2008, 02:29 PM
That's really annoying to read. And because of that I'll just say you're wrong.
Dennis
01-24-2008, 08:53 PM
The fact that your group of friends and/or associates believe that Onegai Twins warrants a higher rating than that is given in the review holds no bearing on how the respective professor grades the anime. It may merely be an opinion however I place a certain level of trust in the professor on grounds of their objectivity and knowledge; not the influences and desires of a certain group.
Ojisan
01-25-2008, 11:36 PM
Ktr pulled on to Twins a lot back in the day. And if you think Twins was good, you're ****ing retarded or something. It was total shit in a bag.
Animeoftheheart
01-29-2008, 09:08 PM
I'm merely stating that it deserves a higher grade than already given. I know it wasn't as good as Onegai Teacher, but im just saying that it clearly isn't bad enough for a 35% and 40% grade. Again, no offense is meant, but I'm just stating what i found to be true. Not like it deserves a A, B, C, or D, but if you look deeper than the very top like they probably did after watching Onegai Teacher, then yes it may deserve the grade it got, but quite honestly, as ANYONE can tell you, Onegai Twins was NOT claimable as a continuation of the old series, and is in almost no way like it. Onegai Twins does have a slow/stopping plot under far view, but when you pay attention, it's amazing what you can see. I will say, the anime doesn't deserve any more than a 55%, but it still doesn't deserve the total shit it WAS given.
Two-twenty
01-29-2008, 11:19 PM
I'm merely stating that it deserves a higher grade than already given. I know it wasn't as good as Onegai Teacher, but im just saying that it clearly isn't bad enough for a 35% and 40% grade. Again, no offense is meant, but I'm just stating what i found to be true. Not like it deserves a A, B, C, or D, but if you look deeper than the very top like they probably did after watching Onegai Teacher, then yes it may deserve the grade it got, but quite honestly, as ANYONE can tell you, Onegai Twins was NOT claimable as a continuation of the old series, and is in almost no way like it. Onegai Twins does have a slow/stopping plot under far view, but when you pay attention, it's amazing what you can see. I will say, the anime doesn't deserve any more than a 55%, but it still doesn't deserve the total shit it WAS given.
You seem very focused on it being graded poorly because of it being reviewed as a poor continuation/sequel of the series. Wrong. They both acknowledge this quite clearly that it is not: Keitaro called it a "sister show" and Eek goes out of his way to mention that it should not be considered a continuation or sequel:
Fans of the previous series should not be confused into believing that this spinoff is a sequel in any shape or form.
Of course they are going to make mention of its predecessor, after all, it shares a simlar name, simlar themes and even some of the same characters, but they both review Please Twins as its own anime; the bad reviews and grades they got are because Eek and Keitaro both thought the anime itself was bad, not because it was a bad sequel/continuation. Even if Please Teacher did not exist, Please Twins would still have had exactly the same review and grade sans any mention of "Please Teacher". I personally feel they both justified their arguments well.
Please understand that all reviews are subjective. This is why we at the Anime Academy allow multiple reviews for the same anime as sometimes opinion (http://www.animeacademy.com/finalrevdisplay.php?id=266) varies (http://www.animeacademy.com/finalrevdisplay.php?id=546) wildly (http://www.animeacademy.com/finalrevdisplay.php?id=591). Just because you disagree with a review, doesn't make it wrong.
Also, thank you for actually putting in a bit of effort with your spelling and grammar. It makes it a heck of a lot easier to understand what you're saying.
Animeoftheheart
02-01-2008, 06:06 AM
I guess i should just give up. It is clear i cannot persuade anyone to think my way. Also, I've been thinking about the anime, and have figured out that, its just not as appealing to some people as it was to me. I do want to point out that I am not the "ignorant" type. I respect reviews no matter how far they go out of my sight, or how close they are to my own thoughts. Just like on G4 TV when Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb make an outrageous review (only 2 times they have). But the message is still the same. I will respect the views and reviews of others with full heart and mind.
Heres one last thing. After realizing how low of a grade (even through our standards and views), I gave up. This anime no longer has a reason to be faught over. So with that, I completely give up and state, "I will no longer fight for Onegai Twins, as it is a half-a** show".
animanic_critic
02-01-2008, 06:12 AM
Why do you try to persuade people to think your way when you're clearly aware that people have their own views in the place?
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