Naruto: Shippuuden

[Tremolo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/Mizuiro/naruto_ship.png

On the 15th, proper manga-based Naruto returns to Japanese screens with a double-episode special (hurrah!), and it's about time. For those who've been suffering almost 100 episodes of inconsequential filler (not me though because I'm not an absolute idiot) and those who've been simply waiting for them to end, this should come as a great relief.

Naruto: Shuppuuden picks up two and a half years later after Naruto left the village to be trained by Jiraiya. But now he's back, and he's going after Sasuke, with a far less useless Sakura (thanks to her training with Tsunade) in tow. Akatsuki play a far more prominent role with their own quest to find all the mighty tailed beasts of the kind sealed inside Naruto and Gaara.

I've read some of this in manga form, and I can safely say that the waiting hasn't been in vain. Whilst it's very much still Naruto, expect lots of new costumes and powers, with the action kicked up a few more notches than before. It should be quite a ride.

I must confess, I've missed Naruto. The last proper arc was terrific and left you wanting more, and I'm so glad that more is finally here.

[Ieyasu]

I'm just wondering, how much do you think the filler will drag Naruto's grade down when it finally comes to be reviewed?

To be quite honest, I began to get bored with Naruto after the time skip. I think I'll be skipping this is favour of more Bleach manga.

[Moe]

Trem i could not agree more with you, i watched every filler episode b/c i had time to waste... yeah lets say that... the only thing i dont really like is that they'll skip all of the training i hope they show some of it in the 1 hour special. those fillers got to the pint where i was almost gonna quit naruto but didnt b/c i had time to waste.

[Tremolo]

I'm just wondering, how much do you think the filler will drag Naruto's grade down when it finally comes to be reviewed?

By quite a bit, probably. Which is a shame because it's mostly excellent up 'til that point. I just like to pretend it isn't there and the series finished at episode 135.

To be quite honest, I began to get bored with Naruto after the time skip. I think I'll be skipping this is favour of more Bleach manga.

Of what I read after the time skip (up to the end of the first round of major fights), I thought was great and ridiculously gripping, but it does seem to divide people.

Trem i could not agree more with you, i watched every filler episode b/c i had time to waste... yeah lets say that... the only thing i dont really like is that they'll skip all of the training i hope they show some of it in the 1 hour special. those fillers got to the pint where i was almost gonna quit naruto but didnt b/c i had time to waste.

I have time to waste, but I'd rather waste it on other stuff than Naruto filler, like lovely One Piece. But fair enough for admitting it! As for skipping the training...they skipped it in the manga as well, which does the same two and a half year jump after the Chase Sasuke arc so it's not too much of a big deal. Some people have said that the filler was a bit of a wasted opportunity because it could have shown stuff like that, but they decided to go a different, more pointless route. Whether the manga flashbacks to it later, I don't know.

[Two-twenty]

The Naruto filler is over.

I thought I'd never see the day where I get to write that sentence. I'm incredibly glad that it's back on track. I gave up with the filler episodes sometime during that curry arc where they completly screwed up Neiji's character.

There are just two things I'm wondering about, firstly, will the animation be back to not being shithouse, secondly, what will happen to all of the filler plot points? eg, Hinata's swanky new powers, etc.

Although for that to come into it, Hinata would have to be included in part two for more than the whopping 10 seconds she's going to get.

Also, I'm guessing Kakashi Gaiden will come in as cannon filler at some point or another.

[KiraraKim]

Also, I'm guessing Kakashi Gaiden will come in as cannon filler at some point or another.


That is what I am thinking too and frankly I think it was a smart move on their part. Since they are marketing this as a new show it makes sense that they would start their new show with their hero. Not only that they now have some episodes they can use instead of filler when the anime catches up to the manga again.

Well Kishimoto said he thinks Naruto will run for about 2 more years so lets hope the anime can finish this time without all that god awful filler. I mean I know some filler is inevitable but hopefully it won't be arc after arc again.

But this whole Naruto and Naruto:Shippuuden reminds me of when Dragonball became Dragonball Z.

Anyways I am excited about finally seeing this too. As much as I enjoy reading the manga I find these type of series (action-based) to be more enjoyable to watch animated.

[madpierrot]

I'm in the group that can not wait for it. I really enjoyed Naruto then it's filler probably ruined the show more then any other shows filler it was that bad and that big of a drop. I prefer the anime over the manga for Naruto so I can't wait to see the stuff coming up in action.

[Moe]

what i really want to know now is the love triangles, are they comin back or what, b/c that was one of the things i enjoyed about the series.

[ShinoMatrix]

Oh gawd, finally. I watched the last month or so of fillers because I wanted to know just exactly when it'll finally be over, though I avoided the rest of the fillers pretty much from the curry episode as well. I was even afraid that they were going to stretch the fillers to another episode, but thankfully that final ep felt uncharacteristically cut short.

Phew...

Seriously, I think I've been watching a little too much shoujo lately. It's nice to finally get the brain fart inducing awesomeness of this show, as well as Bleach no longer in filler mode too :D

[Dark Lord]

I'm actually looking forward to this one. I want to see how the powers of each character has improved in this part of Naruto, as well as the differences in character interaction. And of course, more Neji!!!

[Two-twenty]

what i really want to know now is the love triangles, are they comin back or what, b/c that was one of the things i enjoyed about the series.
Excuse me if I've missed something but, what love triangles? o_O

(Also, bloody hell, write properly).

Seriously, I think I've been watching a little too much shoujo lately.
One can never watch too much shoujo. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/Twotwenty/armsfolded.gif

[Pedro The Hutt]

There are just two things I'm wondering about, firstly, will the animation be back to not being shithouse, secondly, what will happen to all of the filler plot points? eg, Hinata's swanky new powers, etc.
Promptly forgotten, retconned, edited over, deleted, exterminated and booted into the Time/Space Vortex.

That or they'll smoothly keep on editing the plot for the anime to make it seem as though Naruto really did spend a year goofing around after Sasuke ran away. But then, subtly editing the manga's plot has been going on since episode one. Oh dear.

[Mystic_Spike]

so if you stopped watching at episode 140, as i did, is there nothing you need to know from the rest of the episodes that effects this new arc?

[Pedro The Hutt]

If in episode 140 Jiraiya tells Naruto that they have to go off together and train incredibly hard for 2 & ½ years, then no, you don't have to see any of that filler stuff at all because in the manga Naruto and Jiraiya actually left Konoha in just about that very same chapter. Y'know, it was URGENT that he got as strong as possible as fast as possible. Which is my biggest issue with this year plus of filler.
It takes away the feeling that Naruto had to get very tough very fast if he has the time to go hang out with every team other than his own, goof around with a fake Lee & Gai, be sensei for a day or gawk at girls who for some unexplainable reason are fully nude on a lake in the middle of the night even though they are usually too shy to even wear short sleaved shirts while he should really be learning some awesome new skills and possibly another THAT jutsu.

[Ninja Realist]

This is a reason to start watching anime again.

[General Suburbia]

I'm just wondering, how much do you think the filler will drag Naruto's grade down when it finally comes to be reviewed?
I don't think it will be graded at all. I can't think of any professor who'll watch all 100 episodes of filler for the sake of writing a decent review. Most horrible series graded in the AA were torture, but were usually short enough to be deemed watchable. I'd much rather sit through an hour of tekken than 30 hours of filler.

That said,I will definately watch the new Naruto. Finally!

[Illjwamh]

It's about freaking time. It's been way too long for me; I didn't watch a single filler episode, and I've been Naruto-less for over a year and a half now (the dub doesn't count).

As far as grades go, I can't say for sure because I didn't watch the filler, but from what I've heard and the clips I've seen, if I were a prof, it would probably drag it down from a high 80s score to a mid-to-high 70s score.

[Ghostmaster]

Well now I can actually watch Naruto without falling asleep or sitting there in agony while watching it. I am excited to see the continuation of the story, I just hope it's good.

[Major Tom]

Finally! I enjoyed Naruto at the beginning, I thought it was an interesting shounen action series....but I dumped it at 140. It just got lame, with baddie of the week and each baddie even bloody stronger thant the last.

It's nice to see it get back on track, I hope it's going back to what made Naruto so interesting in the first place.

[Quantum Fluxx]

Yeah I too dropped Naruto at the curry arc. Not because I had problems with what they did with any characters, but because as soon as I saw an arc dedicated to curry I knew it was time to stop watching.

Then I forgot about the show for a good year or so and then I thought to myself randomly one day "I wonder if naruto is back on track yet?". So I downloaded the newest episode at the time which was somewhere in that arc with the girl who paints. As some of you may know its opening theme shows an older naruto running around and I had high hopes. Unfortunately it was just a tease.

Glad to see its coming back though in proper form. I haven't read the manga as its just not my thing, so I've been dying to know what happens next with Sasuke.

[KiraraKim]

For those who haven't been keeping up with the manga the first 10 mins of the first episode spoils a huge scene that happens later on in the manga. I am not really sure why they did this it just seems really random. But the animation for this scene is awesome.

For those who have read the manga

they show the scene when Naruto, Sakura, and Sai meet up with Sasuke

Oh and here is the

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQAei-Mk6io (Opening)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUtKTqAsJjM (Ending)

[Kei]

Yeah, for them to put that there so early really kills the experience of seeing Sasuke for the first time. Other than that, it was pretty much just as I had expected.

[Pedro The Hutt]

Then I forgot about the show for a good year or so and then I thought to myself randomly one day "I wonder if naruto is back on track yet?". So I downloaded the newest episode at the time which was somewhere in that arc with the girl BOY who paints. As some of you may know its opening theme shows an older naruto running around and I had high hopes. Unfortunately it was just a tease.

That's more correct. o: Unless you mean someone other than Sai.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

Yeah, for them to put that there so early really kills the experience of seeing Sasuke for the first time. Other than that, it was pretty much just as I had expected.I agree. Especially seeing as so many manga chapters were effectively wasted over speculation surrounding how all the characters look after the time-skip. Then again, since it has been revealed in the manga it isn't worth trying to keep it secret.

[madpierrot]

I'm not a fan of the opening and ending theme, but I do have to say that the animation of that opening 10 minute clip or so is incredible. I haven't seen the whole episode, but that was movie-like quality. I was very impressed. Though yeah it is odd throwing that scene first.

[soundchazer]

After reading most of the stuff in the new manga, I still find it to be a souped up DBZ. I don't really understand why people like it so much since it is still quite repetitive, other than Tremolo, who is an action anime junkie.

I mean... it has good characters turned bad, bad characters turned good, long fights, grown up/powered up heroes and the arch villian that apparently no one can beat but we all know the main character will find a way to defeat. Am I missing something here?

[madpierrot]

You know I guess instead of the pointless back and forth talking lasting 5 episodes it lasts 3 and actually has more of a point and meaning then just "your evil I must beat you and save the world". Instead of the 5 episode battles getting dragged out that only have punches and energy blasts they last 3 episodes and actually have interesting jutsu's and variety. Lastly instead of the training lastly 5 episodes and just them doing pushups and yelling it lasts 3 and is the character learning a cool new technique and actually developing the character as well. So yeah it is kind of like a souped of DBZ, but honestly that doesn't sound like half bad of a show to me. Of course this is just a very generic and simple few of it.

Personally I really like Naruto, and a big reason is the action and that's b/c of the variety and the jutsu's. I think it's one of the coolest additions to a fighting show to add variety to the fights. Also it has a large, unique cast which is nice. And just to throw in that the animation for the action scenes can be simpley amazing.

[KiraraKim]

I mean... it has good characters turned bad, bad characters turned good, long fights, grown up/powered up heroes and the arch villian that apparently no one can beat but we all know the main character will find a way to defeat. Am I missing something here?

I like the characters (especially the side characters), the moves and techniques are pretty interesting and I like the setting of the story.

To tell you the truth almost all shounen action series follow this formula. You either like it or you don't. I definitely don't think Naruto is a masterpiece or anything (and I wouldn't even say it is my favorite series of its kind) but I still find it enjoyable.

[Quantum Fluxx]

That's more correct. o: Unless you mean someone other than Sai.

No it wasn't this Sai person I have no knowledge of. It was about a 4 episode arc that revolved around a girl who's ninjutsu or something was so strong she burned her entire clan down and her powers got sealed away. Inside her was some kind of beast similar to naruto only not as dangerous, but whenever she painted it would happen. Like I said it only lasted about 3-4 episodes so I don't think that was this Sai person who apparently is with them when they meet up with sasuke again in the manga.

EDIT: After seeing the first episode, I'm optimistic for the future but I also feel it was a wasted series opener. They spent an hour basically re-introducing the older versions of the characters and aside from that spoiling opening 10 minutes of the show, nothing interesting happened. I would have at least liked to see SOME of the fight near the end before it actually ending. Oh well. And does anyone know what all that annoying scenes about keywords was about? It sounds like some form of contest in japan regarding the start of the new series but I'm curious as to what the rules of the contest were and what the prize was.

[Tremolo]

Episodes 1 & 2

It's baaaaack!

And not a lot happened, but I didn't expect it too. The almost filmic prologue was stunning, but those unfamiliar with the manga should probably skip it unless they want spoilers for later on.

That said, the regular animation wasn't exactly shabby either and the new music (new composer :D) is wonderful, giving it a slightly different flavour. And I can't wait to see Sasori and Deidara's attack on the sand country animated.

Plus, the new OP is almost up there with 'karuka kanata' and 'seishun kyosokyoku'. Almost!

So, overall, it's Naruto. It's good. I'm so glad it's back.


I don't really understand why people like it so much since it is still quite repetitive, other than Tremolo, who is an action anime junkie.

Now that's simply not true! That implies that I watch any kind of action anime simply because it's got action in it, which I just don't do. I'm very picky about what I watch.

I mean... it has good characters turned bad, bad characters turned good, long fights, grown up/powered up heroes and the arch villian that apparently no one can beat but we all know the main character will find a way to defeat. Am I missing something here?

Probably. It's really addictive; it has likeable and compelling characters; interesting, incredibly tense and beautifully animated action sequences that don't outstay their welcome; a threatening main villain; genuinely moving dramatic and emotional moments... It's probably that these long-running shounen series just aren't for you which is fair enough, but really, I think its popularity is absolutely justified.

[soundchazer]

Now that's simply not true! That implies that I watch any kind of action anime simply because it's got action in it, which I just don't do. I'm very picky about what I watch.



OK... let me rephrase that... epic action anime junkie. The fact that you watch One Piece and Naruto says it all. Heck... you should try Bleach too... and if you want to go old school, Fist of the North Star.

I'm not necessarily saying they are bad, but their popularity rests in the fact that they are about as easy to follow and "western-friendly" as you will find out there. It is not because of the "really moving moments" or nice animation. If it was like that, I could mention easily 50 anime with better animation and plots that are not as popular.

The way I see it, DBZ was Terminator and Naruto/One Piece are Terminator 2. Nothing wrong with that really, but hardly original and they get tiresome after a while. I watched the first anime series for Naruto until the the tests were they had to combat each other in one-on-one matches because I could not stomach the repetition anymore and this was while the anime was still following the manga. I know, after reading the manga, that I will have the same problem with the grown up version. It will start looking very fresh, and I will get bored because it will be Naruto trying to save Sasuke while trying to defeat Orochimaru... he hits a wall... some wise person shows him a new trick/technique/way to control his inner demons, will win a battle, but will not capture orochimaru... and repeat ad nauseaum.

[Ieyasu]

Ugh. I promised myself I wouldn't watch this...

But chibi Naruto and Sasuke illicit a disproportionate amount of nostalgia in me.

I've been caught.

(EDIT= Shucks. Missed an "O")

[C0MPL3X]

Our tastes are just too refined for these noobs SC :D

[Pedro The Hutt]

Elitist much?

I don't see how you're a "noob" when you enjoy Naruto. I mean, I enjoy it, I even enjoy Dragonball. But at the same time I also happily watch whatever Studio Ghibli has to offer, or even a shoujo manga, or even something devoid of any and all action sequences like Haibane Renmei. Just because someone manages to enjoy something that you don't doesn't make them a "noob".

I mean... it has good characters turned bad, bad characters turned good, long fights, grown up/powered up heroes and the arch villian that apparently no one can beat but we all know the main character will find a way to defeat. Am I missing something here?
Because these are classic storytelling devices, people seem to like the fall and redemption plot (hello Vader), people like a hero who manages to overcome seemingly impossible odds (hello Frodo), all these things have been in fiction for many centuries, and have appealed to people throughout the ages. So I do think you're missing something there.

[Dirty Harry]

All this coming from the guy with Gatchaman in his sig. >_>

[C0MPL3X]

Because I'm better than all of you pedro.

btw, i like love hina. You can't be more classier than me with your noob tastes.

[Tremolo]

OK... let me rephrase that... epic action anime junkie. The fact that you watch One Piece and Naruto says it all. Heck... you should try Bleach too... and if you want to go old school, Fist of the North Star.

I love the Bleach manga, but I feel the anime gets it all wrong. Had I not read the manga beforehand however, I'd probably enjoy it.

As for One Piece, it's one of the greatest anime ever made. Really. I'm loving every single second of it. Repetitive it is not, it's utterly, utterly splendid.

And you know...I'm sure we've had this conversation about epic shounen anime before with pretty much the same ground being covered, so I'll leave it at that. I know you're not overly fond of the genre and I doubt I'll be able to convince you of the merits of the genre or indeed Naruto, so I'll refer you to Pedro's post instead.

[soundchazer]

Elitist much?

I don't see how you're a "noob" when you enjoy Naruto. I mean, I enjoy it, I even enjoy Dragonball. But at the same time I also happily watch whatever Studio Ghibli has to offer, or even a shoujo manga, or even something devoid of any and all action sequences like Haibane Renmei. Just because someone manages to enjoy something that you don't doesn't make them a "noob".

Just to clarify, I didn't name anyone a noob here, nor did I say it was WRONG for people to like Naruto. I just think it is not the highest form of entertainment, and some people try to push it as being one of the best things ever made. I have no problem with people liking horrible anime... we all have our weak spots for certain genres or situations, but I do have a problem when people declare it is the best thing since sliced bread just because they like the characters and make no other argument in its favor.


Because these are classic storytelling devices, people seem to like the fall and redemption plot (hello Vader), people like a hero who manages to overcome seemingly impossible odds (hello Frodo), all these things have been in fiction for many centuries, and have appealed to people throughout the ages. So I do think you're missing something there.

The difference being that the STORIES there were somewhat original. Naruto still uses too many elements that make it a souped DBZ. It doesn't even try to make it a bit more original. In fact, even the author has acknowledged he used DBZ as his blueprint.

And even if the classic storyline devices are the same, that doesn't excuse the level of repetition Naruto goes through. Seriously... how many teachers and power ups will he need to have before the series end? Why don't they have him go explore his limits in a personal journey of discovery, or have him do Herculean feats? No... it has to be: oh well... we change the teachers... have him go berserk and have his demon come out so he can conviniently finish up a threat, then he will come back to normal, we will assign him a new teacher and start all over again.

All this coming from the guy with Gatchaman in his sig. >_>

And yet I don't anounce it as a great anime, nor I say everyone should watch it or say the characters and situations are so riveting that it is the best action series of the 70s. I just like it for nostalgic reasons. I grew up watching that anime, and it is still old school anime just by chronology alone. I don't see how this equates to me being hypocritical or illogical, since that is what you imply with your response.

[KiraraKim]

Just to clarify, I didn't name anyone a noob here, nor did I say it was WRONG for people to like Naruto. I just think it is not the highest form of entertainment, and some people try to push it as being one of the best things ever made. I have no problem with people liking horrible anime... we all have our weak spots for certain genres or situations, but I do have a problem when people declare it is the best thing since sliced bread just because they like the characters and make no other argument in its favor.


Maybe I am missing something and someone on this board did say Naruto was the best thing ever but I just didn't see that. Honestly people are just excited that the filler is over. I shouldn't speak for everyone but no one is even saying that Shippuden is this brand new amazing thing. We are all saying it is back to the old Naruto but that is what everyone missed.

I know there are people out there that say Naruto is the best anime ever (and personally that annoys me a little too) but you know that you aren't going to find that on this board from any of the regular members.

Though I do want to say while both Naruto and One Piece (I don't know about Bleach) were definitely inspired by Dragonball I don't see them as clones of Dragonball at all. Just because they share some common plot elements does not mean they are the exact same thing Just as Naruto and One Piece are not the exact same thing.

[soundchazer]

Though I do want to say while both Naruto and One Piece (I don't know about Bleach) were definitely inspired by Dragonball I don't see them as clones of Dragonball at all. Just because they share some common plot elements does not mean they are the exact same thing Just as Naruto and One Piece are not the exact same thing.

OK.. how about I say "they share similar plot devices, have the same nagging problems of being prone to repetition of themes, formulas and fillers, while adding nothing new other than the backdrop in which the story occurs and the character designs"?

Does that sound better? Do you find it a fair assessment now?

[Tremolo]

So, we've once again established in a thread about a popular shounen anime that SC doesn't care much for the genre or said anime whilst the majority of people posting in said thread do but he remains to be convinced. I'm getting serious deja vu!

SC, can't you just let us fanboy/fangirl in peace without coming in and flinging your oft-repeated opinion about shounen all over the place? I don't want to be nasty, but really...you don't even watch it anymore! I know you're free to vent your opinion wherever, but really!

Back to Shippuuden. I'm sure more than just me have watched the first episode by now, rite?

[madpierrot]

I saw it and enjoyed it. Still wondering how I feel about that Berserk/Gungrave style opening of showing us a far off clip right at the start. I probably won't really have an opening until that scene comes back around. The production values of it are amazing though. I'm really impressed by that.

[jetfire]

OK.. how about I say "they share similar plot devices, have the same nagging problems of being prone to repetition of themes, formulas and fillers, while adding nothing new other than the backdrop in which the story occurs and the character designs"?

Does that sound better? Do you find it a fair assessment now?

I think that you're missing the point. A lot of people who watch shounen don't care about similar themes and formulas. In fact, the formulas are what they are attracted to in the first place. They just happen to like the content. It's no different than if people have preferences to genres of books, movies, and music. And even though Naruto isn't the best of it's genre, and there really are some great action animes that can be enjoyed on a deeper level, some people just want to have some mindless fun once in a while. Naruto is kind of like Diehard. You don't watch it for anything incredibly insightful or meaningful. You watch it to turn your brain off for a while and to enjoy the flashy action. It's all a matter of personal taste really. Personally, I despise romance animes, and don't find any of the formulas/plot devices/themes that compelling. Yet, would that stop you from watching romance animes if I stated that some romance animes that you really liked were horrible?

It doesn't really matter to the people who enjoy Naruto if other people find it horrible. Obviously, there is something that they like about it, which encourages them to like it. Now, I'm never saying that you quoted that it was wrong to like shounen animes, or Naruto in general. But from what I've seen from your posts, trying to convince people in this particular thread of why Naruto may be horrible doesn't mean anything. It's like coming to AA and stating that anime in general is horrible. Noone will change their mind.

However, I also have to say that the argument isn't all SC's fault either, since he only came on here stating his opinion about Naruto (which any forum member has the freedom to state a positive or negative opinion about something), and then the whole thing got blown out of proportion, causing him to defend his views and state his own opinions, which is also understandable.

So may I step in and propose that the whole "Naruto isn't the best thing since sliced bread" argument vs. "Naruto is enjoyable in it's own way" argument be dropped? I'm not trying to be a mod or anything here. I'm just making a suggestion, and would enjoy hearing the rest of everyone else's thoughts about the new series, without having to skim through all these arguments about one particular issue. But if it really needs to continue, then by all means, go ahead.

Anyways, to comment on Shippuuden, I really enjoyed the production values of the first 5 mins and opening. Great music, clean art, great animation, and a very tenseful atmosphere. However, the rest of the episode was just pretty good. Nothing is getting heated up yet, and there were too many of those stupid interventions. I still don't get the use of key words. What I am really looking forward to with this anime, are the scenes with Shikamaru (which I find the most entertaining and intelligent character in Naruto so far).

[Pedro The Hutt]

Just to clarify, I didn't name anyone a noob here, nor did I say it was WRONG for people to like Naruto. I just think it is not the highest form of entertainment, and some people try to push it as being one of the best things ever made. I have no problem with people liking horrible anime... we all have our weak spots for certain genres or situations, but I do have a problem when people declare it is the best thing since sliced bread just because they like the characters and make no other argument in its favor.
Oh I know you didn't, but Complex sure did. =D But I'll agree with you there, I do have an issue with people who declare Naruto to be the best thing ever even though it borrows heavily from Dragonball. (But then, many of today's mangaka grew up loving Dragonball so it's not that unusual to see DB-ish stuff re-appear) But then, while I enjoy Dragonball a good deal, I don't say that's the best thing since sliced bread either.

But you shouldn't refer to it as "horrible anime", just because the AA reviewers don't like it does it mean it's bad. Or whatever other standard you choose to wield. As long as a manga or anime has healthy production values and decent art and a plot that isn't a complete rip-off you honestly can't argue wether it's a good or bad manga because tastes will ultimately differ.

[Ninja Realist]

Our tastes are just too refined for these noobs SC :D

Go eat shit you elitist twat.

There's nothing wrong with entertainment for entertainment's sake, and Naruto has awesome fight scenes.

Oh and Deidara is just too badass for words.

[soundchazer]

Oh I know you didn't, but Complex sure did. =D But I'll agree with you there, I do have an issue with people who declare Naruto to be the best thing ever even though it borrows heavily from Dragonball. (But then, many of today's mangaka grew up loving Dragonball so it's not that unusual to see DB-ish stuff re-appear) But then, while I enjoy Dragonball a good deal, I don't say that's the best thing since sliced bread either.

But you shouldn't refer to it as "horrible anime", just because the AA reviewers don't like it does it mean it's bad. Or whatever other standard you choose to wield. As long as a manga or anime has healthy production values and decent art and a plot that isn't a complete rip-off you honestly can't argue wether it's a good or bad manga because tastes will ultimately differ.

I wasn't speaking about Naruto in particular when I mentioned the "horrible anime" bit, but more any bad anime in general. I don't consider Naruto to be a bad anime at all, just repetitive. I actually enjoyed Naruto when I first started watching, but after 50 episodes or so, I could see that the formula would not deviate too much, and I went to the manga to get an idea about whether or not it would get better, and it kind of does when the "grown up" versions show up, but it also falls into the same pattern after a while.

So the best word I could use to describe it is "frustrating". Tremolo does mention a valid point when he says the characters are fun to watch, but you can only stretch a formula so far. It would be nice to see those characters in different type of situations instead of a never-ending loop. Another concern I have is that the manga with the grown up versions of the characters has not really progressed all that much to begin with, and if you thought the old Naruto had too much filler, you can expect the new one to have even more, since the anime will catch up with the manga rather fast.

Oh... and Trem... I don't have a problem with shounen in general... I like Read or Die OVA, I like the new Hellsing OVAs, I like Berserk, Green Green, etc. I just don't find the DBZ derivatives that good because they fall into the same traps, and by now they should have figured them out and make the formula better.

And for the record, I did watch the first 2 episodes. I found the idea of having the small version of the character and the grown up side by side and compare between the two cute. I like the old schizo version of Sakura better than the violent new version. Sasuke=drama king (yawn). Orochimaru is a very one dimensional villian, who depends too much on its "misterious" aura to sell his evilness... and sadly, he has not evolved too much from the character as it was first introduced. All in all, the characters may have evolved power-wise, but other than Sasuke, 2 1/2 years have not really done that much to aadd depth to them, which is surprising given that they have hit puberty already.

[Ninja Realist]

It's fun because the fight scenes are cool and inventive.

I can't remember a DBZ fight scene that was inventive.

Do you enjoy well choreographed fights or not?

[soundchazer]

It's fun because the fight scenes are cool and inventive.

I can't remember a DBZ fight scene that was inventive.

Do you enjoy well choreographed fights or not?

Sorry... Read or Die OVA and the Cowboy Bebop movie kind of spoiled me in that regard. I don't think the fights in Naruto are all that good. Entertaining, yes... breathtaking, no... and the characters still comment way too much while fighting.

[Ninja Realist]

Sorry... Read or Die OVA and the Cowboy Bebop movie kind of spoiled me in that regard. I don't think the fights in Naruto are all that good. Entertaining, yes... breathtaking, no... and the characters still comment way too much while fighting.

I think the fights in Naruto are better than either of those. Naruto episode 133 is probably the best fight scene I have ever seen in an anime.

[KiraraKim]

I did watch Shippuden and it was nice to see the anime back on track but I really didn't like all those keyword interventions. Maybe there is some special contest in Japan concerning Naruto does anyone know?

I feel it has been so long since I've read these chapters but I didn't remember that they moved into the Gaara subplot so quickly.

And Jetfire I am most excited for the Shikamaru moments as well since he is my favorite character. If Kishimoto wanted to add romance to Naruto I always thought he should pair Shikamaru with Temari. Like Naruto I thought they were a couple when they first appeared in that scene as well. :D

[C0MPL3X]

Go eat shit you elitist twat.

There's nothing wrong with entertainment for entertainment's sake, and Naruto has awesome fight scenes.

Oh and Deidara is just too badass for words.

Hahaha...might I recommend you a good chill pill? Comes with a sarcasm detector too.

Btw, seeing as how my first, and obviously even second post failed at sarcasm, I don't have any problem with people enjoying something I don't have any feelings to (because I don't watch it). I do agree with SC on Naruto's setbacks though, especially on the stupid humour, over the top melodrama, sluggish pacing, annoyingly unnecessary comments on just about every moves in fighting, etc...
but that's from watching merely first arc, after which I dropped this series so I can't really comment on what's going to happen next.

[Moe]

that episode was ownage. thats all i have to say. Oh and kakeshi + sharingan = win. now the question is will we get to see all of his face?

[Corpse]

It was weird that they showed a scene from something that happens down the line so soon, i kinda bet it was a "hey guys, see, we're not ****ing up anymore, watch the show!" move. The new music is great, it feels more epic. I might actually watch from time to time. I hadn't bothered with the anime since even before filler, though i keep up with the manga.

[soundchazer]

that episode was ownage. thats all i have to say.

Really? How so? There were no incredible fights, no insanely funny moments, the animation was uneven (there were cells were Sakura looked cross-eyed, for example), they had those dumb "secret word of the day" moments...

I mean... seriously, the only thing that made it entertaining was watching the grown up version of the characters and get to know what they have been up to for 2 1/2 years. If that is ownage, then the bar set for episode ownage is way too low. This was a regular episode in my opinion, even for the Naruto standards.

[kyubichan]

I'm with 'chazer on this one. Naruto isn't horrible, but not that good either.

And to think that my favorite genre is EXPLOSIONS!, er, I meant shounen/action... am I a heretic that should be burned in hell? O.o

I'll watch some of the episodes just to see Temari and Neji though ^^ Oh, and Itachi too.

[KiraraKim]

And to think that my favorite genre is EXPLOSIONS!, er, I meant shounen/action... am I a heretic that should be burned in hell? O.o

Ha Ha of course not. I really don't think anyone thinks Naruto is the be end all of shounen action. And everyone has different tastes.

Of the three current popular shounen action series One Piece is my favorite with Naruto being in the middle and Bleach being dead last.

I guess people have different reasons for choosing their favorite series. I personally like One Piece the most because of the 3 series it has the best characters in my opinion. Some people might care more about the fights than the characters and some people might like Ninjas better than Pirates or Soul Reapers better than Ninjas. Who knows!

Bottom line is I don't think someone should jump down your throat because you dislike Naruto.

[Moe]

SC: if you have been watching the filler just like i have, then you would more than agree that it was ownage in comparison to the filler. if you haven't you dont really have say on what is ownage to me.

[soundchazer]

SC: if you have been watching the filler just like i have, then you would more than agree that it was ownage in comparison to the filler. if you haven't you dont really have say on what is ownage to me.

OK... two things come to mind:

a) Had you explained that to begin with, I would have understood your reasoning behind it, and I would have questioned your choice of words a bit less.

b) Still, it is sad that a definition of ownage stems from having to endure dozens of episodes of crap, making a mediocre episode the stuff of wonders.

And seriously, even if I had seen all that filler (which I wouldn't because I value my time a bit more than that), I still have no say on what you can define as ownage, just like I can't force white supremacists to agree that christian caucasians do not pwn everyone else. Doesn't mean they are right, but hey... this is a free forum to discuss ideas. Entertainment is, after all in the eye of the beholder.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

I watched the first episode yesterday. Judging from the execution I feel that the animators have not only justified the new title [and the various trailers] but have also convinced me to possibly the anime up again as a guilty pleasure.

As for the DBZ comments. As a person who grew up with it as it originally aired in the east I have to defend it as something that was great in it's own time. "Head Cha-la" and "We Gotta Power" used to fill me with so much hot blood. Criticizing it is like pointing out how Thudercats had UNICORNS :D

[Pedro The Hutt]

I can't remember a DBZ fight scene that was inventive.

Watch/read the original Dragonball sometime, that one had plenty of inventive fights. (Where else would a guy win a fight because he realises he doesn't have a nose?)

[kyubichan]

@KiraraKim

This is why I keep coming back to AA... I've been around other anime forums, and the narutards always yell expletives at me even when I just put the words "hate" and "Naruto" in the same sentence XD

Thank you, and I agree about us having different tastes. I prefer BLEACH, then Naruto, and One Piece the least... *puts up anti-flame shield* XD

[Ghostmaster]

First two episodes were pretty good i'm glad we're back into the story. Naruto definately looks a lot cooler and I am anxious to see the other characters. What was up with the beginning of the episode where Naurto and Sakura are looking for Sasuke is that a dream or something? Cause Sauske was awesome

[Erigion]

Since I enjoyed pre-filler Naruto I thought I'd give this a go. Some ramblings:

The character art was way too inconsistent, sometimes the characters looked fine other times they looked like they put on about 50 pounds. Apparently whoever is doing the art can only draw faces if they're face on, any other angle looks horrible.

Animation was what I expected not horrible, not great.

Content wise... I was bored to death. This is not how you get up off the ground after all that filler. You have what it seemed like half of the minor side characters asking whether Naruto is back and wondering if he's changed any and of course there was a complete lack of action in an action series.

And yet, I didn't really expect anything else from this series.

* Erigion sighs

[AlterGenesis-X]

Okay, okay, I'm in a Naruto topic. I haven't watched any shounen anime in quite some time, I even dropped Bleach around Episode 80 and I have NEVER, EVER watched a single episode of the first season of Naruto, not one. (I am not counting little snippets I might seen of episodes, I have never seen an entire ep before.)

Essentially, I have a lot of friends who are fans of Naruto so I've been able to keep track about their opinion about Naruto without actually watching the show. So basically, I'm a Naruto newb, basically knowing a few characters, meaning behind a few terms, etc. Even still, I was interested enough to watch this time skip in Shippuden even with my lack of background knowledge.

Oh no, I've finally been exposed to Naruto. Well, the double episode defenitely felt like I was watching a shounen anime again (go nowhere, to be continued kind of thing) and yet, at least I had a few laughs. Overall, it was nice, but that's coming from a person who is watching Naruto seriously for the first time. =/

[Tremolo]

Okay, okay, I'm in a Naruto topic. I haven't watched any shounen anime in quite some time, I even dropped Bleach around Episode 80 and I have NEVER, EVER watched a single episode of the first season of Naruto, not one. (I am not counting little snippets I might seen of episodes, I have never seen an entire ep before.)

Essentially, I have a lot of friends who are fans of Naruto so I've been able to keep track about their opinion about Naruto without actually watching the show. So basically, I'm a Naruto newb, basically knowing a few characters, meaning behind a few terms, etc. Even still, I was interested enough to watch this time skip in Shippuden even with my lack of background knowledge.

Oh no, I've finally been exposed to Naruto. Well, the double episode defenitely felt like I was watching a shounen anime again (go nowhere, to be continued kind of thing) and yet, at least I had a few laughs. Overall, it was nice, but that's coming from a person who is watching Naruto seriously for the first time. =/

You really should just start from the beginning, it'll be much better that way, trust me. To be honest, Shippuuden is a pretty poor jumping-on point. It's very much aimed at those who've been following the series right from the start, and future events rely heavily on what's going on before.

If you liked what you saw here, definitely go and watch the first series. It's quite a ride and quite a bit better than your average shounen stuff.

[AlterGenesis-X]

I would assume if I really wanted to take the time to go back and watch the first season, I should stop around the filler. Even then, honestly, I am very lazy and not willing to watch 100+ episdoes.

I think I'll go read some episode summaries. =p (I can get away with that, can't I?)

[Tremolo]

I would assume if I really wanted to take the time to go back and watch the first season, I should stop around the filler. Even then, honestly, I am very lazy and not willing to watch 100+ episdoes.

I think I'll go read some episode summaries. =p (I can get away with that, can't I?)

Absolutely not, you'll miss all the cool action! :p

And I'm incredibly lazy too, but shounen slips down so guud. I've watched through 146 episodes of One Piece in two weeks, whereas Canon Naruto is 135 episodes long, minus a tiny filler arc. It can be done and I recommend it wholeheartedly.

[AlterGenesis-X]

I guess I could. But man, I really need to study. =( I don't know, I'm still a little skeptical on watching up an around 135. All I'm really interested in is knowing what happened, I don't know if sacrficing 135eps x 30min = 4050 mins

4050 mins / 60 mins = 67.5 hours. TREM! I am not convinced! 67 HOURS MAN! =P

[Tremolo]

I guess I could. But man, I really need to study. =( I don't know, I'm still a little skeptical on watching up an around 135. All I'm really interested in is knowing what happened, I don't know if sacrficing 135eps x 30min = 4050 mins

4050 mins / 60 mins = 67.5 hours. TREM! I am not convinced! 67 HOURS MAN! =P

Haha, I'm sure it's less then that if you take out the OP's, ED's and recaps at the start of the episodes.

Is Naruto worth sacrificing your studying for? Naw. But what anime is? If you do start watching it, take your time - it and Shippuuden aren't going anywhere. Like I say, it's more than worth watching. I have so many fond memories of watching Naruto through over the Winter of 2004/2005, and I'd encourage anyone with a vague interest in GOOD action or shounen anime to experience them as well.

[AlterGenesis-X]

True. Well, although I haven't actually seen a full episode, I still have general idea of what happened in the beginning with the first Chunnin exams and after the fight with Zabuza and Haku. If I know that much, should I start around 26 or so?

[Ieyasu]

Definitely not.

You'd miss the Zabuza and Haku arc, which is arguably the best in the series. Plus, skipping bits of a show just because you have a general idea of what happens is sure to make you miss out.

[AlterGenesis-X]

Indeed. Almost makes me wonder if I should start watching Bleach again.

Although, your statement does make me sad in the way that if the best arc of the series is the first arc...I think you know where I'm going with this.

[Ieyasu]

Hey, I'm not saying the other arcs were bad...

It's just that the awesomeness that was Haku and Zabuza is hard to top.

[Tremolo]

Indeed. Almost makes me wonder if I should start watching Bleach again.

Although, your statement does make me sad in the way that if the best arc of the series is the first arc...I think you know where I'm going with this.

Well, if it's any consolation, in my opinion it isn't.

'Tis a good arc and I won't refute that, but the Chuunin Exams (mainly the premlinaries but the finals have their moments, particularly Naruto Vs Neiji) and the Sasuke Retrieval arc are my picks for cream of the crop. But really, they're ALL good, except that silly little Tea Country filler arc. And the episodes where the animation goes into super-fluid, incredibly souped-up mode are frankly unmissable. Every arc has at least one and they'll blow you away.

[KiraraKim]

I agree with Tremolo my favorite arc is the Chuunin Exams. I tend to not like tournament style fights that are in so many shounen series but in this case so many great characters were introduced. The fights were fantastic and you really got to know all the characters and who they were not just as fighters.

I also agree that the Sasuke retrieval arc is very good. I don't like the villains so much in this arc but the arc is interesting because it is the first time you see a lot of characters working together when before they were "enemies." And the final fight between Sasuke and Naruto was also really great in my opinion.

[Tremolo]

I agree with Tremolo my favorite arc is the Chuunin Exams. I tend to not like tournament style fights that are in so many shounen series but in this case so many great characters were introduced. The fights were fantastic and you really got to know all the characters and who they were not just as fighters.

I also agree that the Sasuke retrieval arc is very good. I don't like the villains so much in this arc but the arc is interesting because it is the first time you see a lot of characters working together when before they were "enemies." And the final fight between Sasuke and Naruto was also really great in my opinion.

I love how the fights flesh out the characters. It's a rare skill, but they manage to pull it off every single time. What they do with Rock Lee in particular is amazing, and you even care for Gaara by the end of it all. The character development in Naruto is genuinely impressive and nowhere near as slow or sluggish as you'd expect. You honestly change your opinions on certain characters as the series progresses.

And yes, the Sasuke/Naruto fight is ****ing EPIC and really needs to be seen.

But! The main reason I love that damn arc so much is because of Neiji against that spider guy. I nearly shit a brick watching that, and by the end of it I was crying so hard I was almost ashamed, but I don't really care. That's still one of the THE most gut-wrenching viewing experiences of my life, and I'm proud to say it.

[AlterGenesis-X]

Hm, okay, okay, you got me. I'll start on Naruto 1 when I get the chance. If I ever get bored, I'll come and tell you, so you can warp me into watching it some more. =D

[PassiveObserver]

I'm really looking forward to some new episodes of Naruto. The filler was getting rediculously annoying. I mean Sasuke runs of with Orochimaru so they look for bugs....make ramen.....all seemed kinda pointless to me. Personally, I hope to see more of Lee in the new episodes. I mean sure it should focus on the whole Naruto/Sasuke conflict and the tailed beasts thing, but they could still throw a bit of Lee in there for my amusement.

[Ninja Realist]

Watch/read the original Dragonball sometime, that one had plenty of inventive fights.

I said DBZ because Deagonball did have a lot of cool fights. The fight between yamcha and the invisible man was clever to say the least.

[Major Tom]

So I've seen the first episode of Shippuuden. It's just as I remember Naruto as it used to be (i.e. ep.135 and earlier). I actually did find the jokes funny, particularly when Kakashi got his new book. I am also questioning the first scene as well, the tension would have been all the more if they had waited for that actual episode.

Not much happened, just reintroducing the characters, and a little update on where they are now. It will be interesting to see how much Sakura has changed. Even when I liked Naruto, she always annoyed me with her utter uselessness.

Still, the thought of Naruto attempting to pull of the 'Thousand Years of Pain' on Kakashi next episode has me wanting more, so I'm in for now.

[IceDemon]

Im actually happy that he finally grew up hopefully now he can kick everyone's ass. Its going to bother me that I have to wait for the fight between Naruto and Sasuke.

[Ninja Realist]

Next Week should be awesome. More Deidara goodness.

[Erigion]

Was the animation ever this bad? I mean, it's really, really horrible.

[Shadowmage]

Three episodes of Shippuuden under my belt, and I'm still not entertained. Right now I am wondering what went wrong. Simply put, this sequel simply does not have the charm of the original. It feel real worn out kind of like the Buu saga from Dragonball Z. I'm sure the next few episodes will infuse life, but Naruto is notorious for slowing the manga down by several notches.

Was the animation ever this bad? I mean, it's really, really horrible.

They must be saving money for the 7 or so high intensity fight scenes that are coming up.

Either that or they outsourced the animation to Korea.

[soundchazer]

Bah... not only is it still repetitive, but the director is really screwing up. He should have let the entire episode be about the test with Kakashi sensei. Doing intermissions to explain what is going on with Gaara (which is a yawnfest to begin with) only takes away whatever momentum the fight has.

And quite honestly, it is easy to see just by watching the reminiscing shots that Naruto has lost a lot of its charm. They fell into the same pitfall going from Dragonball to DBZ... they are trying to make the older characters look so cool, that they forget to have fun and not take them too seriously.

Quite honestly, even with the all the repetition and the fillers, young Naruto>>>> teen Naruto.

[IceDemon]

Yeah I agree the intermissions were annoying. I was all set to see Narutos new power where he kicks Kakashi's ass but nothing happend really except Naruot doesn't fall into that basic trap. Its as if the episode was some what of a filler. They are trying to build up suspense and its not working, all they are doing is killing the pacing.

[Tremolo]

Episode 3

They're probably making things last as long as possible so we don't get back into filler arc territory again. I'm not sure that approach is entirely sucessful, and it'd terrible if everything got absolutely stretched out past breaking point. But has the series lost its charm? Not to me - the characters are pretty much the same as they were towards the end of the original series, only older. The only really different thing is the music, which I really like.

I'm not lapping it up, but I am enjoying it well enough. Although, if they do the next episode right I'm afraid I'll degnerate into a screaming fanboy. Because I adore Deidara. Adore him. Un.

I don't get the complaints about the animation, though. I don't know if it's because I've been watching wall-to-wall shounen recently (probably), but it seemed absolutely fine to me and better than Naruto's average. Ah well.

[soundchazer]

The problem is that if you have been followng the manga, they have right now even LESS material to go with that when the series first started out. This means that they will either go to filler real fast, or extend the fights even longer, matching DBZ archs. Either way, if you are a Naruto fan, you will lose.

As for the animation, I just thought it was mediocre. I have seen better, and I have seen much worse too.

[kyubichan]

Uhm, I saw the "first" Shippuuden episode, just because a whole lot of people kept giving me links to sites. They kept going "ZOMG the fillers have ended!" and "You don't like Naruto? Well, the fillers sucked but now comes the good part", and "Oh, Naruto is different. This is Shippuuden, you know, like DBZ is to Dragonball!". And so, I finally went and watched it just to be able to honestly reply "Yes, I've seen it...".

And well, it is still... Naruto.

If there is ever a battle like Ichigo vs Byakuya... er, I mean, like Tsunade vs. Orochimaru, can someone PM me a link? Because that was the only battle I thought was worth my time.

[Shadowmage]

If there is ever a battle like Ichigo vs Byakuya... er, I mean, like Tsunade vs. Orochimaru, can someone PM me a link? Because that was the only battle I thought was worth my time.

If you're going to watch anything of the Naruto franchise, watch episodes 132-134. As Trem pointed out, it has probably one of the best, if not the best, fight scene ever animated.

[Two-twenty]

If you're going to watch anything of the Naruto franchise, watch episodes 132-134. As Trem pointed out, it has probably one of the best, if not the best, fight scene ever animated.
Remind me which fight this was again?

[Shadowmage]

Remind me which fight this was again?

Naruto vs. Sasuke

[Two-twenty]

Naruto vs. Sasuke
Ah yes. I've been very critical of Naruto since the get-go, but that fight was definetly one of the best.

In regards to post-filler Naruto, I'm also not liking what I'm seeing. The reason why we all hated the filler was because it wasn't well written (among other things) and padding the cannon episodes with what is essentially more filler is killing it off. None of the fights or arcs before were needlessly stretched out, but Sakura and Naruto v Kakashi and Gaara v Deidara are seeming like they are. I hope this doesn't become habit.

[KiraraKim]

I think I would rather them drag the fights out than have filler. Although I know the show will ultimately have to go back to filler.

If the anime makes me lose interest I'll drop it and just read the manga. No big loss. ;)

But I do have to say I really liked the music that was playing during this episode.

[soundchazer]

In an effort to try to understand why you people make such a big fuss over Naruto, I am watching the imfamous episodes 132-134.

This is the first impression, after watching episode 132:

Like a good DBZ clone, 15 minutes of the 20 minutes in this episode were all about the characters thinking about their past, how they used to like each other but now they have to fight, blah blah blah. And obviously, it ends up with a super saiya jin power up to try to beat each other to a pulp. YAWN. I still do not see the incredibly fluid animation. Like I said before, I have seen worse but I have seen much better.

[Akuhei]

I think the fights in Naruto are better than either of those. Naruto episode 133 is probably the best fight scene I have ever seen in an anime.

stewpid ;( R.O.D > Naruto ESPECIALLY in terms of action scenes.

Naruto has it's fun moments, it's better to just skip all the shitty plot episodes and watch the cool action scenes :D. I really can't get into the story much at all but the characters are amusing and the fight scenes are pretty good.

[Tremolo]

In an effort to try to understand why you people make such a big fuss over Naruto, I am watching the imfamous episodes 132-134.

This is the first impression, after watching episode 132:

Like a good DBZ clone, 15 minutes of the 20 minutes in this episode were all about the characters thinking about their past, how they used to like each other but now they have to fight, blah blah blah. And obviously, it ends up with a super saiya jin power up to try to beat each other to a pulp. YAWN. I still do not see the incredibly fluid animation. Like I said before, I have seen worse but I have seen much better.

Yeah, the incredibly fluid animation is in 133. >_>

And really, I don't know what else to say. I'm sorry you find it so boring, but I dunno why you keep subjecting yourself to it if you find it so yawn-inducing, no matter how popular it is or how enjoyable some of us find it. I'm pretty sure that 133, no matter how good it is, won't change your mind either.

[soundchazer]

Episode 133:

The action scenes were pretty fluid. I can almost assure that Studio Deen and Studio Mu did the in-between animation in this episode. It looks fairly similar to the action sequences in Noein in a few episodes (and those two studios also did in-between for that anime). It becomes light years better in terms of howthe action flows, and it loses a bit in terms of facial detail (and this is done for a reason... so that the animation won't look crappy and the faces change from frame to frame).

I still believe that R.O.D. OVA has better action sequences, but then again, that was an OVA... with more money and time to get it done. As far as TV animation goes, this is about as good as you will get. I still believe the timing could be done better. I still dislike so much pause to think and remember (and pull a DBZ on us), but I have to say this is probabbly the best Naruto fight from what I have seen (about 80-90 episodes).

EDIT:

Episode 134:

OMG... so much melodrama and so little action. And I had forgotten how ridiculous Sasuke's power up looks. For every 3 cool looking jutsu's, this series has one that has to make you laugh at how far-fetched and ugly looking it is.

Anyway... except for episode 133, this battle was really nothing to write home about. As I said before, a souped up and abridged DBZ (instead of taking 6 episodes, they did it in 3).

[IceDemon]

I disagree its nothing like the dbz fights. The dbz fights where them firing kameameas at each for 3 eps where the hero then wins and boring things like that. The Naruto fight has him ues his full power in the beginning and when Sasuke starts winning the demon fox takes over and eventually loses. I think its the best fight out of the series.

[Shadowmage]

More than Dragonball Z, I think Naruto's structure resembles Rurouni Kenshin. The fight scenes are drawn out and give the show a quick kick to the groin. Then, the filler episodes come in for the heavy KO.

[soundchazer]

I disagree its nothing like the dbz fights. The dbz fights where them firing kameameas at each for 3 eps where the hero then wins and boring things like that. The Naruto fight has him ues his full power in the beginning and when Sasuke starts winning the demon fox takes over and eventually loses. I think its the best fight out of the series.

I guess I have to be more specific. I'm not talking techniques used here, but rather structure. Hero confronts antagonist. Antagonist kicks hero's ass. Hero powers up, antagonist is surprised. Antagonist uses a trick/power not seen by the hero. Hero is down again. Hero starts thinking about friendship/loved ones/mission and gets fired up and powers up again and kicks the antagonist's butt once more. Eventually one of the two wins the battle but makes some comment about how the opponent was much better than anticipated. This is done in at least 3 episodes or more.

Please tell me how Naruto is different from DBZ when you see it from this standpoint. Granted... Naruto has better choreography and for the most part, more interesting power ups, but strip away the flash and you have exactly the same type of substance and structure as DBZ.


Edit: Shadowmage... in many ways you are right. Rurouni Kenshin also has some of the same problems... starts pretty good and uses a lot of comedy, then turns into an episodic melodrama. There is only one thing that saves Kenshin, and that is called Tsuioku Hen. Oh, and most of the fights, at least in the beginning, are usually resolved within 2 episodes.

[kyubichan]

Oh, I've seen the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight. It was aired locally over and over again. I agree that the battle "looked" good, especially with the Ninetails effect. But it still had that thing that annoyed me the most: "flashbacks". It's as if we don't have enough of those! If Naruto or Sasuke had half a brain each, one could have knocked out the other while he was babbling. I've never seen boys talk or reminisce so much.

@Shadowmage

One word: FATALITY.

[Major Tom]

Well, that episode was disappointing to a degree. I did start thinking 'less talking, more fighting' at a few moments during that episode. The flashbacks were unduly long, it would have been better to make them a 'flash'. Even though I has been over a year since I saw the original get-the-bells test, I remembered most of those scenes as soon as they started playing them.

Perhaps it would have been better to concentrate on this fight instead of hopping over to the Sand Village. Still, I was entertained. And when it comes to Naruto, that's pretty much all I expect.

[liufxi]

What the guy said earlier about Naruto fights being like DBZ, I don't really think that's very true. In Naruto there's a lot more emotion behind why they fight and during it, it isn't always just about saving the planet. During Naruto you actually feel something, often for both the antagonist and hero, like with Haku and Zabuza or Naruto vs Gaara, the fights rocked but you also felt something for both characters. In DBZ fights you'd never really care your just watching to see some cool sh*t...no one cared about why they fought. Just my 2 cents don't flame me ><

[kyubichan]

Truth be told (and please don't kill me), the more I watch Naruto, the more I appreciate DBZ. It's shounen action. There should be explosions, and... well, ACTION. Call me shallow, but that's what I love about that genre. If I wanted drama, I'd go for something from that genre.

I guess Naruto is trying it's best to offer something for fans of different genre, perhaps to lure in both fanboys and fangirls, and of all ages. I hope it works out, and maybe they can balance the elements, who knows?

[Pedro The Hutt]

Edit: Shadowmage... in many ways you are right. Rurouni Kenshin also has some of the same problems... starts pretty good and uses a lot of comedy, then turns into an episodic melodrama. There is only one thing that saves Kenshin, and that is called Tsuioku Hen. Oh, and most of the fights, at least in the beginning, are usually resolved within 2 episodes.

But on the other hand, at a certain point Rurouni Kenshin's anime deviated from the manga and NEVER returned to following the manga, unlike Naruto.

[soundchazer]

But on the other hand, at a certain point Rurouni Kenshin's anime deviated from the manga and NEVER returned to following the manga, unlike Naruto.

I think that argument can be seen both ways. It could have been good for Naruto not to return the manga, had they incorporated a plan to make the story better. Going back to the manga for Naruto will not mean an incredible jump in quality, as the manga is still repeating the same forumla it had going since the beginning.

And keep in mind... I never said the Kenshin TV series was necessarily that good towards the end, just that it was for the most part a bit more dynamic by avoiding stretching out the fights too long in the beginning.

THe thing that nakes Kenshin stand out more than Naruto as far as characters go, is that because of the OVA, his personality is far and away better constructed and fleshed out. Having read the Naruto manga until a few chapters ago, I have yet to see Naruto being anywhere near as complex and fascinating character as Kenshin proved to be. Granted, it doesn't mean it can't be done, but so far, it would have to be achieved with an animation company doing a project that DOES NOT use the manga as the template at this point.

[Ghostmaster]

Actually a second good episode. I am actually looking forward to the Gaara and the other guy fight. I am glad they are going right backt to the story with the Akatsuki gang or whatever. And this new guy has a weird power like with the making paper come to life thing idk man. And who's that other guy who looks like a hunchback or something?

[Major Tom]

And who's that other guy who looks like a hunchback or something?

I call him.....slugman.

[Shadowmage]

And who's that other guy who looks like a hunchback or something?
His name is Sasori... And that is not his real boddy.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

Actually a second good episode. I am actually looking forward to the Gaara and the other guy fight. I am glad they are going right backt to the story with the Akatsuki gang or whatever. And this new guy has a weird power like with the making paper come to life thing idk man. And who's that other guy who looks like a hunchback or something?
It's not supposed to look like paper. It's meant to be clay-art that is possibly made of plastic explosive.

After just 1 episode the animation quality took a serious nosedive. Add to that they've already using stalling tactics. I am not impressed.
If the Gaara fight isn't as mind-blowing as it should be I'm dropping the show.
The biggest saving grace has been the new music, which adds an incredibly epic feel that wasn't in Naruto before - only the sound was let down by the segments during the Kakashi fight that sounded like everyone was just standing still for ages whilst background sounds like birds chirped and other things went by.

[Ninja Realist]

His name is Sasori... And that is not his real boddy.

Spoiler-Tags

[Pedro The Hutt]

If you don't know that by now you're not worthy of calling yourself a Naruto fan! XD (For feck's sake, read the manga, it'd have been a much more wortwhile use of your time than watching all the filler episodes)

[Kei]

That's a pretty unfair statement, Pedro.

Barring the first bit of the first episode with really good animation, so far the rest of what I've seen has yet to really impress me at all. In fact, the animation is downright ugly. I'm just hoping that they're saving their budget for all the upcoming fights, but seriously, what a way to start a series.

[Tremolo]

Actually a second good episode. I am actually looking forward to the Gaara and the other guy fight. I am glad they are going right backt to the story with the Akatsuki gang or whatever. And this new guy has a weird power like with the making paper come to life thing idk man. And who's that other guy who looks like a hunchback or something?

Post Of The Year. It's only March 1st but I'm pretty sure nothing can top this. I'm looking forward to episode 4 more for further confused Ghostmaster commentary than the actual episode content.

If you don't know that by now you're not worthy of calling yourself a Naruto fan! XD (For feck's sake, read the manga, it'd have been a much more wortwhile use of your time than watching all the filler episodes)

Not so sure about the first part, but I can give a healthy "Word" to the second part.


And I still can't see much wrong with the animation. Sorry. >_>

[Pedro The Hutt]

Oh don't worry, the first part of my statement wasn't serious. But I still don't get why some people bothered to watch all~ of the filler, and never get near the manga. Yare yare.

[Shadowmage]

Spoiler-Tags

I will argue whether what I said was a spoiler or not. You really won't know what I mean, unless you've read the manga.

Episode 4 (RAW)- Really, do you need subs?

Not impressed. The fights were well animated but not exciting to watch. Yes,Kakashi's hand seals were cool, but three seconds cannot redeem an entire episode. Right now, I'm very tempted to drop Shippuden.

[Ninja Realist]

I will argue whether what I said was a spoiler or not. You really won't know what I mean, unless you've read the manga.

I read the manga and I think it's a spoiler.

[Shadowmage]

I read the manga and I think it's a spoiler.

Personally, my "spoiler" is no different than saying that Goku reaches SSJ 4 in DBGT (OMG! I forgot my spoiler tags!) Even then, the later would be a larger spoiler since the changes the dynamics of the plot. Yes, Sasori's secret is a little less predictable, but it really doesn't reveal anything tangible to those who haven't read the manga, and it really has no bearings on the overall story.

[KiraraKim]

This is not about Shippuden directly but I thought this was too priceless not to share. So please forgive me. :)

This was on ANN's answerman column. It seems the animators forgot something in one of the filler episodes of Naruto.


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/Kirarakim/naruto.jpg

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

This is not about Shippuden directly but I thought this was too priceless not to share. So please forgive me. :)

This was on ANN's answerman column. It seems the animators forgot something in one of the filler episodes of Naruto.


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/Kirarakim/naruto.jpg I don't see any problems. You can see clearly that Brock from Pokémon has stolen Naruto's head. Completely normal :)

On the whole spoiler issue. In ep 1 or 2 the guy is referred to as "Sasori-sama". Secondly, a person's NAME cannot be regarded as a spoiler unless is has a known significance to the plot. If anything, shouting/calling spoiler might cause someone to examine something more than they would have and lead them to a genuine one.

[kyubichan]

@the filler pic

Ugh~ I remember that episode... cliche-galore. The pic itself merits a few laughs though... Naruto lost his head XD

[IceDemon]

I hated that filler episode. It was a complete waste of time and on top of it the guy was a pain in the ass. He needs to be smacked upside the head.

[Two-twenty]

Episode 4: Well, that certainly was crap. This fight between Deidara and Gaara is meant to be mind-blowingly fast, showing how easy Deidara can think on his feet, but instead we've got an episode of aerial dodgem-cars. It seems while we've finally got back on track, Naruto is still being treated as filler: padding it out so it won't catch up to the manga.

Screw this, I've got other things to download. Wake me up when Sakura and Shikamaru start kicking ass.

[Tremolo]

Episode 4.

A bit of a letdown, really. A whole episode of Deidara just avoiding Gaara's sand attacks without making any progress and yet more Sakura and Naruto against Kakashi - which to be honest should've lasted an episode at most.

I do wish things would pick up a bit. It's not BAD per se as it does flit by divertingly enough, but it's not in the slighest bit great.

[IceDemon]

Episode 4.

A bit of a letdown, really. A whole episode of Deidara just avoiding Gaara's sand attacks without making any progress and yet more Sakura and Naruto against Kakashi - which to be honest should've lasted an episode at most.

I do wish things would pick up a bit. It's not BAD per se as it does flit by divertingly enough, but it's not in the slighest bit great.

I agree, it was a waste of time to watch it was like a filler episode really. Nothing happend of signifigance between this one and the last and you don't get to see anything new out of Naruto in terms of fighting ability.

[Ieyasu]

I miss being fourteen and looking forward to Naruto...

*sigh*

Even the voice actors don't sound like they mean it anymore. It's all very depressing.

[Major Tom]

Well, I didn't find this episode as disappointing as I was lead to believe, but it was still not all that great.

Finally, the end of the test. Fortunately, I found Naruto's solution to the problem to be pretty damn funny.

The Gaara/Deid...ara? fight is were I could see the animation quality dropping significantly. Maybe they used most of the budget for Kakeshi's superfastcool hand signs. As for the fight itself, well I can see the stalling tactics, but I wasn't that disappointed by it so far.

Here is were I assume we will see the great divide. Those who have read the manga, and those who have not. I have not read the manga, so I have no idea what to expect when it comes the the Akatsuki, unlike those who have read the manga, and know what cool powers these blokes have. I have less to be disappointed by, so I'll see this show in a different light.

[soundchazer]

* soundchazer shrugs.

Actually the manga is nothing special either. IN fact, this type of stories are potentially better suited for animation since they are action oriented.

My point in bringing up the manga is knowing just how mediocre the whole affair is going to be regardless, and how easy it would be for them to start stalling/using fillers early on because there is nowhere near enough material to have the show running even for a full year.

I see that my prediction is coming to fruition even earlier than I anticipated. Although I know many of you think I'm gloating over this, I'm really not. I would rather be pleasantly surprised than utterly dissapointed or mildly bored.

Naruto just happens to be in the last category, and has been there for quite a while.

[IceDemon]

* soundchazer shrugs.

Actually the manga is nothing special either. IN fact, this type of stories are potentially better suited for animation since they are action oriented.

Naruto just happens to be in the last category, and has been there for quite a while.

You really don't like Naruto do you. I hold hope for a possibility that Naruto might become better, probably not a smart choice but still I hope.

[soundchazer]

You really don't like Naruto do you. I hold hope for a possibility that Naruto might become better, probably not a smart choice but still I hope.

It is not like I detest Naruto, but rather that it had the potential to be so much better than it is, and that type of thing always bothers me.

Is it better than DBZ? Yes, quite a bit better, but it still is nothing but a better version of that show as far as structure and storytelling. It never dared to be more adventurous or flesh the characters a bit more than what is shown in the first few episodes and instead decided to focus mainly on making the characters have cool fighting techniques and give them some reason to fight each other. It could have used a different narrative and make the fights more fluid and less prone to flashbacks that just interfere with a good ass-whoopin'. And because it has become a cash cow, they kill it by making it drag too much and putting too much filler.

What I understand even less is how many people here, who are usually ruthless and kill other anime for lesser problems than those presented in Naruto can be so forgiving of the show.

[Major Tom]

What I understand even less is how many people here, who are usually ruthless and kill other anime for lesser problems than those presented in Naruto can be so forgiving of the show.

Eh, I personally put that down to already having low expectations. We already have a good idea of what sort of thing is going to be shown, so we can eliminate a number of things off the checklist that we might keep on for other shows.

[IceDemon]

DBZ was overkill and this is a nice contrast. Also another reason why I let things slide when it comes to Naruto is that there aren't any shows around lately that are like it. And there is always the hope of it becoming better. Over time Naruto will become a low rated show same goes for Bleach.

[Testament]

DBZ was overkill and this is a nice contrast. Also another reason why I let things slide when it comes to Naruto is that there aren't any shows around lately that are like it. And there is always the hope of it becoming better. Over time Naruto will become a low rated show same goes for Bleach.

Thats true it ends up like that with lots of other anime shows...

[Shadowmage]

Episode 5

Oh my gosh, why am I still watching this show? The beginning original Naruto was extremely fun, but the show has done nothing except suck as of late. Why do I cling to unfounded hopes that the show will get better?

Geh, either ways, this is another set-up episode. If you thought that the Gaara vs. Deidara was generic in episode 4, I'll tell you that episode 5 segment's fight is even slower... and it's still not over yet. While there are few reused cels, the fight is getting more generic than that of Dragonball Z. Someone needs to tell these folks that the Gaara vs. Deidara fight should be one episode max.

[UndeadBear]

Heh, I'm actually enjoying the series again, but I think it's because my expectations are so insanely low. The Gaara/Deidara fight turned stupid and nonsensical, but the episodes are light years better than the filler crap from the first series.

You really can't watch Naruto with a critical eye. Watch for it for what it is and you'll enjoy it a lot more.

[Major Tom]

I had a blast in this latest Naruto episode. Not because it was great or anything, but it was funny how many references my brothers and myself could fit to each of the scenarios. For example, one of the characters asked:

What if Gaara loses control?

To which our immediate reaction was:

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! (cookie for anybody who can guess what game we've been playing)

Or the bit where Gaara is in his absolute defense with the hole in it, my brother goes 'he's not going for the Death Star solution, is he?', to which we started reciting the fateful run of the Y-Wings from Episode IV. And that emotion filled speech in the flashback? First thing I said 'is that a Pokemon ball on his shirt?' (bear in mind I haven't seen this character in over a year), which heralded 'Gaara, I choose you!.

Fun to be had all round. The episode itself, they're still stalling, an I don't appreciate it. I did find myself intrigued enough to want to see the next episode, but things are already looking grim for Naruto in my rotation lists. Still, If we can have a good discussion on how 100 C&C minigunners would own Deidara or how much better it would be if there were ninja shotguns, it might be worth it.

[jetfire]

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! (cookie for anybody who can guess what game we've been playing)

Well, let's see...judging from the big Rayman streak that you've been on, I'd have to say that you were playing Rayman: Raving Rabbids. And that is a great game to play with friends. Gotta love slapping those bunnies in the choir. That scenario that you listed also puts a funny thought in my head, thinking about Gaara holding up a duster or a sausage, while screaming randomly.

[Major Tom]

:cookie: for Jetfire!

Raving Rabbids is definately a fun game, that kind of twisted humour I find so appealing.

[KiraraKim]

The Gaara fight is boring me (although I did enjoy the flashback scene with Gaara and Kankuro.) But the Naruto, Kakashi, and Sakura scenes were cute. Although I might be dropping this too and just sticking to the manga. It's not so much that I dislike the anime it is just my RL is starting to get really busy and I don't think I am can keep up with all the anime I have been. Naruto is fun and all but it takes less time to just read the manga.

[Ghostmaster]

This Gaara fight is sadly dissapointing since it's lasting so many episodes and nothing is happening very much like DBZ. And wow Naruto and Sakura got the bells very exciting. I do want to see where this goes though and learn more about the Atasuki or whatever.

[Major Tom]

:Bump:

Well, I finally got around to seeing eps. 6-7. Naruto is really starting to grate on me now. So. Much. Talking. Not. Enough. Fighting.

I thought the fight itself was interesting enough, but the repeated scenes and the monologuing is ismply annoying. I'm going to give this 1 (no, 2 seeing as the next one is also a hour long special) top impress me, or it's dropped.

[Tremolo]

Episodes 8-9.

Boring.

If the last two episodes weren't bad enough, here we get another 40 minutes of tedium. Quite frankly, this confuses me greatly. It should be good, but it's not! They seem to be going out of their way to make this as dull as remotely possible, thanks largely to the excrutiating pacing.

I did NOT want post-filler Naruto to come back like this.

[General Suburbia]

Gave it up after 4 episodes or so. Someone just contact me when something good happens.

[KiraraKim]

I also dropped Naruto. To tell you the truth I don't think it is as bad as some people are making but I am super busy with school and work and I just decided that there are others things I want to follow more.

Besides I am still reading the manga.

I think instead I'll just watch episodes that cover my favorite moments. Like anything with Shikamaru.

[Ghostmaster]

It sorta seems like filler, but I just hope they get back on track here. I mean I guess this Sasori/Kankuro fight could be ok, but i'm pretty sure kankuro's gonna get his ass kicked here. Go Back to Sasuke!

[Ninja Realist]

I am so incredibly dissapointed right now. It's like they are going out of their way to make this boring.

[Illjwamh]

I don't know what you guys are talking about; I like it. @_@

So there's not a fight in every episode...isn't that one of the things people complained about in the first series? I don't get it; it's like the show can't win. Either there's not enough fighting or too much.

Maybe I like it so much because it's letting us get reacquainted with the characters first, and I always enjoy characterization more than just about anything else. But I really don't see how people are calling it "boring".

I'm enjoying it a lot more than I enjoyed the first arc in the original show, that's for sure.

[Tremolo]

I don't know what you guys are talking about; I like it. @_@

So there's not a fight in every episode...isn't that one of the things people complained about in the first series? I don't get it; it's like the show can't win. Either there's not enough fighting or too much.

I dunno, dude. Most of the people posting in this thread all enjoyed the original run of Naruto to a lesser or greater extent, so I don't think it's fair to make it sound like we've all been uber-critical in the past and are being more critical now. I mean, look at the happy reactions on the first page. Unless you're not referring to us in particular but fans in general, of course.

I always thought the balance was about right in the original series. Some moments did drag, but not in an off-putting way, and it was usually very entertaining indeed. I enjoyed almost every episode.

Maybe I like it so much because it's letting us get reacquainted with the characters first, and I always enjoy characterization more than just about anything else. But I really don't see how people are calling it "boring".

I'm enjoying it a lot more than I enjoyed the first arc in the original show, that's for sure.

But it is boring. The Deidara/Gaara fight was a good three episodes longer than it should've been. The pacing in general is much, much slower than in the original series with events stretched much further than they should be. Episode 9 was just a ton of Naruto monologuing and more flashbacks. And I say all this as someone who NEVER found the original series boring. I'm not beating on Naruto because I like too, I'm beating on it because for me it's currently not a very pleasurable viewing experience.

I quite enjoyed Kankurou Vs Sasori though, so it's not all bad.

[Ghostmaster]

yeah I haven't gotten to see the Kankurou/Sasori fight, but I think they need to pick up the pace here if they want to keep viewers interesting and not do the same thing as the original naruto by going off on these tangents and dragging things on.

[sweetnightmares]

The Gaara/Deidara fight was a little boring. As it should follow the manga i think it will get better sometimes the 30 minutes a episode is just not enogh time.

[Illjwamh]

I think it's picking up a little bit now.

Besides, they can't go too fast or we'll have the same problem as before and end up with another year and a half worth of god-awful filler.

[jetfire]

I think it's picking up a little bit now.

Besides, they can't go too fast or we'll have the same problem as before and end up with another year and a half worth of god-awful filler.

However, I would much rather have a lot of god-awful filler that I can choose to skip, rather than a mediocre-paced show. At least the main story portions would be more intense and exciting.

[ShinoMatrix]

I agree with Jetfire.

That said, I think in the last couple of episodes, they've picked it up a bit. I was quite apprehensive that the "one more day till the sand village" remark meant they wouldn't reach the village for another episode. Good thing it wasn't the case.

[Major Tom]

The last 3 episodes have been much better, actually. The fight in ep.8 was as a minor fight should be, concise and to the point. It didn't drag out too much, and for once I don't think the monologues went overboard.

I was disappointed that Kankuro instantly thought himself far superior to a opponent he knew to be a member of Akatsuki, though. With that information, he should have treaded with a bit more care.

But at least we get to see Sakura's l33t skills, which I haven't seen....ever. Naruto's back in the good books, for now.

[Ghostmaster]

The last 3 episodes have been much better, actually. The fight in ep.8 was as a minor fight should be, concise and to the point. It didn't drag out too much, and for once I don't think the monologues went overboard.

I was disappointed that Kankuro instantly thought himself far superior to a opponent he knew to be a member of Akatsuki, though. With that information, he should have treaded with a bit more care.

But at least we get to see Sakura's l33t skills, which I haven't seen....ever. Naruto's back in the good books, for now.
I agree I think now the show is picking up some speed. Not spending a lot of time with the Sasori fight was a good idea. When Sasori and Deidera entered the cave where the hideout is what the hell is up with the holographic guys and the weird statue I mean I guess they want to get the monster out of Gaara, but dude what is going on there? . Cool that we get to see Ten-Ten, Lee and Neji again (Neji looks the coolest obviously). Want to see where this goes with the whole Sand thing going on now, so i am now iterested.

[Illjwamh]

When Sasori and Deidera entered the cave where the hideout is what the hell is up with the holographic guys and the weird statue I mean I guess they want to get the monster out of Gaara, but dude what is going on there? .

It is a ritual designed to remove a bijuu from its human host. The other Akatsuki members look like holograms because they are not physically there in the cave.

[Takarabe Shoken]

After the Sasuke Retrieval Arc I kinda got bored with the filler arcs! It kind of got off-road but since it's summer, I got plenty of time to waste! The last arc before the time skip was a blast!

At last Naruto: Shippuuden is here! I'm looking forward to their new powers and new costumes! The first episodes were so damn good I can't wait for new episodes! I felt bad about Gaara, he was captured by the Akatsuki!

[Illjwamh]

Out of curiosity, how many people here who are watching the show haven't read the manga?

[Major Tom]

Out of curiosity, how many people here who are watching the show haven't read the manga?

Mark me as one.

[Takarabe Shoken]

Out of curiosity, how many people here who are watching the show haven't read the manga?


I haven't read the manga but watching the series because I don't know where to get the manga! The bookstore does not have a copy of it!

[Ghostmaster]

It is a ritual designed to remove a bijuu from its human host. The other Akatsuki members look like holograms because they are not physically there in the cave.

I see thanks I figured it was something like that.

[.EJ]

I watch the show and I have read the manga :D

[Ghostmaster]

The show is really getting quite interesting and im not bored at all what's going on here? Anyway with the Atasuki involved now I am much more interested in the show. Episodes 11 and 12 were both pretty good. Sakura's medical ninja skills are impressive, but can she fight. Itachi and the shark guy are back weeee!

[.EJ]

yeah Shippuuden 13 will be nice

[Illjwamh]

It was okay, but I thought it was a little slow. I mean, Itachi was just standing there for the whole episode, and Kisame kept pausing after every attack to see if Gai remembered him. It kinda got old. I realize they're trying to stall for time to avoid the necessity of another filler saga, but they took it a bit too far this time.

And how many times do we need to see the same shot of Gaara getting Shukaku sucked out of him?

[Major Tom]

This episode delved into the suckiness that was some of the earlier episodes. So much talking. Even though I know it's going to happen, it never fails to annoy the piss out of me when the crew is standing there discusisng their plan. Out loud. With the bad guy in full view. In listening range. Of course we get to the good bit, and the episode ends.

I was actually expecting Granny to tell Itachi go go back inside and tell Sasori to get out here, because Grandma's here and she's not happy. That would have been much cooler, in my book anyway.

[Ghostmaster]

I agree this episode had nothing going on. The basic standing around blabbering and not fighting at all. I mean Gai's team fought with Kisame if you call fighting splashing around in the water. i was really dissappointed with the episdoe becasue I was actually enjoying what was going on for the past 13 episodes or so.

[Major Tom]

This episode was really what last episode should have been, faced paced fighting instead of mindless blubbering. Now if they end the Gai vs.....shark man fight next episode then that'll nicely paced. I think the Itachi vs Naruto bout could go for an extra episode, seeing as that is a bit more tactical in it's execution.

[Illjwamh]

Was I the only one who thought the music during the Gai/Kisame fight totally didn't fit?

[Major Tom]

There was music?

[Ghostmaster]

Well after seeing episode 14 I have a little more hope since they actually started to fight now. Gai is really stupid I gotta tell you, not figuring who the hell he's fighting.

[Gigadi]

Is it just me, or is this a lot worse than before the time skip? For Naruto to be an action oriented show, their sure is a lot of talking. Either they're standing around talking, or jumping through trees talking. When they finally get to a fight, it is some of the worst animation I've even seen. We're up to episode 17 and only a few events have taken place. What's up Naruto?

[Illjwamh]

This last episode was frustrating, as nothing really seemed to happen, but remember: the initial Naruto arc (Zabuza) was much the same. There were a lot of episodes with character introduction/introspection/development, interspersed with some fighting. That's basically what we've got going on here so far.

And I haven't really had a problem with the animation in the fight scenes yet.

[Yuu]

Gaara had some nice moments in this one, I'm sure his character's about ready to be going "ABOUT GODDAMN TIME YOU FINISHED; BEEN LIKE THIS SEVEN EPISODES YO; TIRED OF LYING THERE AND I HAVE A CRICK IN MY NECK." (Thats my attempt at humor.)

[Gigadi]

And I haven't really had a problem with the animation in the fight scenes yet.

I guess I have the fight from episode 133 imprinted into my head. I keep comparing everything I see to that. There's really nowhere to go but down. A good analogy would be when Jordan played for the wizards. He was still good, but bad in comparison. Maybe if they sink some funding into the episodes we wouldn't have that problem.

[jetfire]

This last episode was frustrating, as nothing really seemed to happen, but remember: the initial Naruto arc (Zabuza) was much the same. There were a lot of episodes with character introduction/introspection/development, interspersed with some fighting. That's basically what we've got going on here so far.

And I haven't really had a problem with the animation in the fight scenes yet.

Oddly enough, the initial Naruto arc with Zazuba was my favourite. I actually really cared about the villains, and some of the fight scenes were very interesting to watch (especially since Naruto's concepts were new and fresh. That's something that Shippuuden cannot bring to the table). I remember when Sasuke and Kakashi owned those two mist ninjas just after leaving the village, the strategic Team 7 vs Zazuba fight that involved Kakashi getting trapped in the water prison, Sasuke fighting Haku on the bridge and Naruto and Sasuke vs. Haku. All of those were much more interesting than any of Shippuuden's fights. The most intense one that I have seen so far is Gai vs. Kisame, and I'm being pretty generous (at least it had nunchucks).

[Ghostmaster]

Yeah I think they are picking up the pace a little now with hopefully introducing more of the Atasuki. I do hope the fights are better like some said because they have been quite said and these are strong guys so lets get more of that.