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Syner

11-05-2006, 04:57 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15567363/?GT1=8717

what are your views on this? Iraqi policemen and soldiers are chanting with happyness.

laborpilot86

11-05-2006, 05:03 PM

It's the most irrellvant thing in Iraq other the U.S military

and his probably not going to get executed anyway, because the Sunnis will go completely bonkers

Grasshopper

11-05-2006, 08:59 PM

Oh he will most definitely hang. The Republicans need this for the election which just so happens to be two days from now. Go figure.

Major Tom

11-06-2006, 12:40 AM

I am viewing this event as a rather inevitable and ultimately symbolic gesture.

Just imagine what kind of outcry from the general public in Iraq, let alone internationally if he had been found not guilty? I wager it would have been those Judges standing on the gallows.

Again, Hussein probably would have been dead long ago if he had been caught by anybody but the Americans (or his supporters). Any sort of witnesses at the time of his capture would have spread the word faster than light, and the ensuing mob would probably have torn him to pieces. The only way he could have actually survived, as I see it, was by taking control of the country again. However, I think that once he had been toppled, he would have neither the political or military might to ever gain power again.

And it is symbolic becuase what sort of authority does the Iraqi court have outside of these trials? I don't it really has any. it is more of a show than a demonstration of the new justice system.

Ritalin

11-06-2006, 07:09 AM

Arkaine Deao

11-06-2006, 08:25 AM

Proper... Trial? This man kills. He is a killer. Some may say that we are no better than him if we just hang him like this, but who else will die if this man does not? When ordinary justice has failed, sometimes it is necessary to act outside of justice, to get things done and to show people the most efficient way to get things done. It may tug at your heartstrings to see a person die without having been properly convicted, but I can think of no one more deserving of death.
Of course, I'm open for debate.

silan

11-06-2006, 08:42 AM

It's perfect timing for the upcoming elections isn't it? Which is why it does not surprise me they reached this verdict.

I'm quite upset by this decision. Not because I'm against capital punishment, in fact it has nothing to do with that. He didn't have a proper trial at all, the hanging penalty is purely politics and symbolism.
No proper trial? Perfect timing for upcoming elections?

The man's been on trial for nine months. How exactly should they have timed the verdict so that it doesn't correspond to upcoming elections in the US or the alignment of Jupiter with Venus (which I would say has just as much pull on the verdict)? Exactly how long does a trial have to go on and how many defense lawyers and witnesses need to die before the trial is deemed "proper"? Exactly what kind of verdict is supposed to be given against him to satisfy "our" Puritan sentiments?

The verdict is not a shock. Saddam will die. The Sunnis will make him into some kind of martyr because of it, but oh well. As for it tying into elections........ how does it do so? We've given the trial over to the Iraqis. His death isn't going to have any pull in the elections, except for hardline idiots. There are more important things going on both domestically and internationally that should be focused on for the elections, not the trial of Saddam Hussein.

And if none of you are happy enough with this trial, we've always got the one he's still undergoing for the murder of Kurds.

f1rst children

11-06-2006, 11:16 AM

Finnf00

11-06-2006, 12:34 PM

Exactly how long does a trial have to go on and how many defense lawyers and witnesses need to die before the trial is deemed "proper"? Exactly what kind of verdict is supposed to be given against him to satisfy "our" Puritan sentiments?A trial should go on as long as it has to in order to secure the most appopriate penalty. All the evidence should be properly examined and possible accomplices held equally responsible. They completely overlooked the reason as to how Saddam had gained power to do all the things he was accused of in the first place, not to mention why no one was interested in what he was doing when he killed all those Kurds.

However, you really can't expect anything but a joke of a trial here. Anything to have the Iraqi's impose Texan laws on the bastard. Yes, if the people he oppressed had found him first, he would've suffered a lot more. But we're supposed to be the outside world, selling civilization and progress to these people. What would've been so wrong in having him tried in say, The Hague? I mean not many defense lawyers or witnesses were killed during Milosevic's trial.

Lightningfire

11-06-2006, 12:42 PM

The timing is to well placed and even the most deadly criminals get a lethal injection not being hanged i doubt it will happen

Zelkiiro

11-06-2006, 01:21 PM

If I were in charge, I'd propose reviving Spanish Inquisition-esque torture methods.

Roark

11-06-2006, 01:23 PM

If I were in charge, I'd propose reviving Spanish Inquisition-esque torture methods.
He already got the comfy chair and the fluffy pillow! What more do you want, you SADIST?!

Xfox*X

11-07-2006, 06:42 AM

The timing is to well placed and even the most deadly criminals get a lethal injection not being hanged i doubt it will happen

he isnt going to be killed here in america and he deserves death by firing squad with no blindfold, hes scum.

Zelkiiro

11-07-2006, 06:45 AM

He already got the comfy chair and the fluffy pillow! What more do you want, you SADIST?!
I want cake AND I want to eat it, too!

Arkaine Deao

11-07-2006, 07:35 AM

he isnt going to be killed here in america and he deserves death by firing squad with no blindfold, hes scum.

Yes, indeed, but a firing squad is too good for him. I would use ancient and painful methods of killing, myself, preferably with an axe. Am I a sick bastard? Yes. I believe the best way to keep this from happening again is to make his execution so bloody and painful that anybody who even thinks about it will shit themselves. Prevention is always the best cure.

Kuzu Ryu Sen

11-07-2006, 07:42 AM

Saddam cannot die by Firing Squad, as that is traditionally the execution method for soldiers and generals. Hanging is the traditional method for common criminals and traitors.

Roark

11-07-2006, 07:53 AM

Saddam cannot die by Firing Squad, as that is traditionally the execution method for soldiers and generals. Hanging is the traditional method for common criminals and traitors.
Hanging also provides more of a public spectacle, along the lines of stoning.

Kuzu Ryu Sen

11-07-2006, 08:07 AM

Hanging also provides more of a public spectacle, along the lines of stoning.

Well, depends if we're talking about lynchmob hanging or a private gallows within a prison.

Arkaine Deao

11-07-2006, 08:10 AM

Or maybe they could take a page out of the book of the old Japanese, you know, cut off his head, slaughter his family, and all that.
I'm completely serious.

gdavall2003

11-07-2006, 08:15 AM

Can't say that I surprised by the verdict but I had hoped that he would have gotten life in prison. Hanging only lasts about 5 minutes at the most afterall...

Kuzu Ryu Sen

11-07-2006, 08:16 AM

Or maybe they could take a page out of the book of the old Japanese, you know, cut off his head, slaughter his family, and all that.
I'm completely serious.

Aren't most of the influential members of his family already dead or being hunted?

Roark

11-07-2006, 08:18 AM

Well, depends if we're talking about lynchmob hanging or a private gallows within a prison.
They'd be smart to do it in private, decrease attack risks. I can see an old west style town square with thosands gathered, though.

loner

11-07-2006, 08:27 AM

Chinese style "lingchi": cut off 1000 pieces of flesh before dismembering and then finish off with decapitation. And then capture all nine generations of his family and have them all beheaded.

...wait, aren't we supposed to be civilized now?

Phate

11-07-2006, 08:28 AM

laborpilot86

11-07-2006, 10:31 AM

:hanged is too good for him and will make him a marytr for the Sunnis anyway. I say let him rot in solitary for the rest of his life

I say again though, he's irellevant to what's going on in Iraq, but killing will make him matter again

silan

11-07-2006, 11:25 AM

They completely overlooked the reason as to how Saddam had gained power to do all the things he was accused of in the first place, not to mention why no one was interested in what he was doing when he killed all those Kurds.
Is that the important part? They're trying him on crimes against humanity or whatever legalese they're using. They're not trying the US here. I'm not saying that we're not to blame, but they're trying to judge him on what he did, not point fingers at everyone who's to blame for him coming to power.

Focusing on that would completely muddle the issue that he slaughtered people while he was in power. It'd be another OJ trial.

However, you really can't expect anything but a joke of a trial here. Anything to have the Iraqi's impose Texan laws on the bastard. Yes, if the people he oppressed had found him first, he would've suffered a lot more. But we're supposed to be the outside world, selling civilization and progress to these people. What would've been so wrong in having him tried in say, The Hague? I mean not many defense lawyers or witnesses were killed during Milosevic's trial.
You don't seem to be a fan of the death penalty.

Joke of a trial? You gotta be kidding. You make it sound like the Iraqis are horrible people for convicting a man that's terrorized and persecuted them for decades. Wtf?! Exactly what should they have done instead? How long should the trial have lasted to satisfy you?! It's been going on for nine months already. Thirty-nine sessions. They've come up with a conviction... and you automatically assume that they didn't look at the evidence enough, that the conviction is faulty?

is too good for him and will make him a marytr for the Sunnis anyway. I say let him rot in solitary for the rest of his life
He's a martyr no matter what we do. He'll be a martyr in prison. If they kept him alive locked up somewhere, what do you want to bet that within a year there would be hostage situations going on with demands for his release?

Kill him and get it over with. No moral high ground here, no thoughts of "let's make him suffer." A person like that would never understand the suffering he put others through anyway. He would never comprehend that he's not the victim. Just put him through that bloody appeals process and then kill him.

PsychoSaiya-jin

11-07-2006, 12:40 PM

f1rst children

11-07-2006, 02:48 PM

Doesn't anybody else sense an air of hypocracy in killing him, especially in some of the tortureous ways mentioned?
At the end of the day, Saddam was a puppet aided by US interests until he was finally used as a symbolic scapegaot.

I don't remember anyone caring much about Saddam between the end of the Iraq-Iran war and when he invaded Kuwait. Are you saying the US wanted him to invade Kuwait? Somehow I doubt he had advisors from the US State Department telling him to invade Kuwait or reminding him to gas the Kurds today. Not that it matters even if there were, as Nuremburg dismissed the "only following orders" defense.

The US may have helped put Saddam in power but that doesn't make it wholly responsible for everything Saddam did, anymore than the US helping the USSR in WWII makes Truman and Roosevelt responsible for Stalin killing 30 million people. Stalin was also aided by US interests and then later became an enemy of the US when their interests no longer coincided.

Arkaine Deao

11-07-2006, 03:47 PM

Doesn't anybody else sense an air of hypocracy in killing him, especially in some of the tortureous ways mentioned?
At the end of the day, Saddam was a puppet aided by US interests until he was finally used as a symbolic scapegaot.

A little, but then, I believe most of the U.S. officials should be executed too, just because of their massive f***ups.
Seriously, though, the entire government of the U.S. needs some major retooling. I'm talking serious revolution, here. If we keep the current system, it is only going to be dominated by people looking out for their own best interests. The only systems of government I can see working efficiently are monarchies and theocracies. Of course, the problem with those is that if the ruler is looking out for his own interests, the people are completely f***ed, instead of only partially. But if the ruler is kind, fair, and firm, I can see that government lasting for a good long time.

PsychoSaiya-jin

11-08-2006, 08:36 AM

I don't remember anyone caring much about Saddam between the end of the Iraq-Iran war and when he invaded Kuwait. Are you saying the US wanted him to invade Kuwait? Somehow I doubt he had advisors from the US State Department telling him to invade Kuwait or reminding him to gas the Kurds today. Not that it matters even if there were, as Nuremburg dismissed the "only following orders" defense.

The US may have helped put Saddam in power but that doesn't make it wholly responsible for everything Saddam did, anymore than the US helping the USSR in WWII makes Truman and Roosevelt responsible for Stalin killing 30 million people. Stalin was also aided by US interests and then later became an enemy of the US when their interests no longer coincided.
True, but it is interesting how the US turned a blind-eye to Saddam's actions up until the point that Bin Laden could not be found/captured.
The thing that I really question is the motivations behind the war and this trial.

7Raven7

11-08-2006, 11:35 AM

They must have opted for hanging as more humane than the more popular death by burning on a stake option.

Blue Audio

11-08-2006, 09:34 PM

Just gas the bastard.

Arkaine Deao

11-08-2006, 10:03 PM

Why does everybody have to be so damn humane these days? Do like the Romans did. Put him in a ring against a lion with a stick and a rock. If he survives, he has earned the right to live.

loner

11-09-2006, 01:23 AM

Because apparently that shows we've progressed beyond the 1st century BC. And because that shows we are not the same as Saddam and actually use some form of fair judicial power to sentence someone to death. How fair, you can go ahead and debate among yourselves.

Milkymagic

11-09-2006, 01:50 AM

Nah, tie him to a rocket and launch it into space, that's the coolest way to go. :D

Or make his head explode by having him view every single Jean Claude Van-Damme movie ever made, consecutively.

My final proposition? Have Chuck Norris come in...and you all know the rest, Texas Justice!

Dark Lord

11-09-2006, 04:23 AM

I know!!!

Why don't they just kill him slowly and make him suffer death the long and painful way? Now that's justice...

I know its a cruel and sadistic idea, but I feel that death is a sweet escape from what he truly deserves... A conventional death penalty is letting him off easy...

But... Then again, his death and suffering won't undo the damage he caused in the first place...

Mana

11-09-2006, 05:24 AM

You people make Mana sad. I know some of you are kidding, but I know some of you aren't, and that's very damn scary.

laborpilot86

11-09-2006, 08:35 AM

PM Blair came out against death for Saddam

silan

11-09-2006, 08:56 AM

In an interesting side note, apparently four days before he was sentenced, he made a speech to the Sunni militants urging them to lay down their arms and join in the political process of Iraq rather than blow it up.

Zelkiiro

11-09-2006, 11:00 AM

silan

11-09-2006, 11:36 AM

:udb:

:)
:lol2:

Just thought it was an interesting side note. That statement has been made by other top Sunni peoples too, not just Saddam.

Arkaine Deao

11-09-2006, 12:09 PM

You people make Mana sad. I know some of you are kidding, but I know some of you aren't, and that's very damn scary.

I know. It isn't truly the way I think, but I feel it is better to get these thoughts out in a forum than when the opportunity to maim/kill someone presents itself. Saddam should die for what he did, but not as punishment. He needs to die to make damn sure he won't be able to do anything like he did again.

Pedro The Hutt

11-09-2006, 01:50 PM

I don't think there's an icecube's chance in hell that Saddam would ever rule Iraq again. >.>;; So I wouldn't worry about that.

PsychoSaiya-jin

11-09-2006, 02:58 PM

Why does everybody have to be so damn humane these days? Do like the Romans did. Put him in a ring against a lion with a stick and a rock. If he survives, he has earned the right to live.
That is a perpetual lie that is both slanderous to Romans and Lions!

Neo-Hunter

11-10-2006, 09:37 AM

yeah, uh he's going to die and their nothing we can do about it. those people he killed in the past are getting thier revenge.