The New Wave

[Pachinko]

As everyone knows, AA is growing in popularity, and with that, more & more members are introduced to us each day. Back in the olden days, when I roamed through this site (under a different name, mind you), it was apparent at who was active around the boards. Those people are still active, however there is without a doubt a "new wave" of students active in our mists as well. I'm not saying that the old, elite members will vanish. No! I'm simply acknowledging AA's future; the newer wave of students.

Sorry for my blurbing. Please comment, with humble opinion, on this common happening in any maturing forum.

~P

[Rove]

Back in the olden days, when I roamed through this site (under a different name, mind you), it was apparent at who was active around the boards.
Let me guess, you used to be Kawaii Lolita!~?

Please comment on this common happening in any maturing forum.
As it always happens with growing forums, new people join in, some good, some bad, I think (without any statitistics to back me up in this statement) that good, collaborative, interesting members come in equal amounts as spammy, annoying, new members. Unfortunately, the annoying kind tend to attract more attention and seem like they are more than the good new members, but fortunately there second kind tend to get quickly dispatched or eventually get bored (some take several 1000 posts to get bored, though D: ). You can't do much to about it, only hope that the good new members don't go away when they just arrived and that the bad new members will either correct their ways or move on to other forums more suitable to their kind of posts.

[animanic_critic]

Uhh... am I one of those newer waves? This thread sounds like the "Post Your Feelings on AA" thread, but guess I'll join in anyway...

I don't feel anything much about new members (guess that includes me) coming in. They join and share their insights like all of us do, and I do see some of them give reasonable postings and logical thoughts. There are undesirable cases, but well, what can I do? I'll leave that to the professionals a.k.a. "Mod Squad" ;) I generally just welcome them cordially and try to make them feel right at campus.

As a new member myself, I try to contribute my thoughts as actively as I like in a tactful way. Some of the ideas/opinions in my posts are debatable, and to everyone, feel free to correct me if I get certain facts wrong - I won't make a ruckus out of it, and learn them out of experience. To tell the truth, this is the first (and perhaps only) forums I'll be sticking with for a long time because I love anime, meeting people from around the globe and just have fun poking at each others' wits. AA rocks, and I mean it!

One thing I regret though; I wish I'd joined a little earlier, because I never had the chance to interact with the retired professors such as Madoka (she sounds really nice from the way I see it) and Klejdoran. I hope to see new professors take the helm while I'm still here :)

Pachiko: Why did you originally change your nick? Kawaii Lolita~ sorta fits like a glove for you :p

[Pachinko]

I'd like to dismiss all rumours:
I'm not, I repeat, AM NOT "Kawaii Lolita!~". But, believe me, I know that bitch. Mos def.

Ahem. And, yes, animanic_critic, that includes you. ;D The new wave includes any new member who can spell, read, write, contribute, remain active, so on and so so. You fit the requirments, yes? =D

And no, Kawaii Lolita~ is too much of a bitch. She wishes she was 'tis good. >.>

PS: Madoka was was awesumm.

[DarkKanti]

Asuhri (or something like that)

Anyhoo, I don't see new members as a bad thing. I mean, I wasn't sure if I liked A_C at first, because he seemed to post too much, but he slowly grew on me. I'm not saying there aren't a few bad apples in the bunch, but I think it's still a bit too early to tell at the moment on who will become a contributing member and whose destined to spam until their eventual banning.

Edit- I'm dumb. I meant Averie (not too sure about the spelling, but I'm fairly certain I'm right this time).

[Pachinko]

Asuhri (or something like that)
Wrong. Although she was a nice one...

Anyhoo, I don't see new members as a bad thing. I mean, I wasn't sure if I liked A_C at first, because he seemed to post too much, but he slowly grew on me. I'm not saying there aren't a few bad apples in the bunch, but I think it's still a bit too early to tell at the moment on who will become a contributing member and whose destined to spam until their eventual banning

I was simply praising AA's possible future; the kids who can read, who spell and comprehend and so on. It's people like that that keep a forum running forever. And, it's people like that that I've noticed as of late.

[Ojisan]

Oh yeah, new people join.

Totally awesome.

[jetfire]

Asuhri (or something like that)

Anyhoo, I don't see new members as a bad thing. I mean, I wasn't sure if I liked A_C at first, because he seemed to post too much, but he slowly grew on me.

Oddly enough, I could say the same thing about you DK. When you first joined, shortly after the time when I joined, you posted so much and your posts used to be pretty short. However, in a month or so, your posts got more detailed and your participation started to grow on me as well. Now, you're one of the only people that I really know on these forums, and an overall cool guy.

As you said, you can't judge a book by it's cover (or new members by their initial posts) right away. I welcome new members as well. As long as they aren't insanely immature, I appreciate it.

[Pachinko]

As you said, you can't judge a book by it's cover (or new members by their initial posts) right away. I welcome new members as well. As long as they aren't insanely immature, I appreciate it.

And that, my friend, is what we need more of around here! Instead of this "whoops, you created a welcome thread, you are an eternal noob" thing some got going on. That's why I, myself, am glad we have some newer members who aren't afraid to stick it to the old-timers, however remainded poised and polished and humble, all at once.

I smell... revolution?

[isolatedotaku]

I smell... revolution?

rev‧o‧lu‧tion [rev-uh-loo-shuhn] –noun
1. an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.
2. Sociology. a radical and pervasive change in society and the social structure, esp. one made suddenly and often accompanied by violence.

I see only two ways you could execute an effective revolution:

:fighting: or :computer:

[Liegenschonheit]

What you have been describing is normal forum behaviour. New members come, old members drop off the face of the earth. Some people complain that new members are lowering the tone of the place, new members complain about old members being elitist. Rinse and repeat.

When I was new here, I remember there were the same concerns. Yes, the forum was smaller back then, but it was remarkably simmilar. There were threads about AA being elitist and the old members forming cliques, the intimidating older members would talk about the rise in stupidity with the influx of noobs, etc.

The wheel turns, the cycle continues. Noobs turn into older members, some older members leave, more new members come in.

And Pachinko, I remember you. Can't remember the name you went under back then, but I can remember you changing it.

[soundchazer]

and here I thought we were going to discuss some nice 80s music.

as for the topic... I really see nothing special. Renewal happens everywhere, sports, jobs, internet threads.

[Ritalin]

Holy crap new people join forums I had no idea.

[Pachinko]

Holy crap new people join forums I had no idea.

Whoo!
Not just new people! New people with brains! Egad.

I'm not simply describing new members in general; I'm talking about new members that stand out of the regular members. The ones who contribute, the ones that will be influential in AA's continuation.

You sillies. =P

[ash_chan]

and here I thought we were going to discuss some nice 80s music.

as for the topic... I really see nothing special. Renewal happens everywhere, sports, jobs, internet threads.


You didn't happen to think Billy Joel like I did, did you? ;)

That's the way the forum wheel of life turns. The forum is started, with twenty or thirty people on it. Slowly, word gets out and a hundred or so join. The initial burst of people stops and it stays with those members, only a few others slipping in every so often. They get used to this when suddenly, the burst returns. They're so used to the already established members, that when a newbie comes in and posts a short post or puts up a "Hello, I'm new" thread because they never read the rules, people start to get riled up. Someone calls out "N00b!" and they retort 'Elitest!", thus starting a useless flame war between those who have been here longer and those who didn't join before the influx of new people.
Even though I've been on for two years now, I can't help but feel like I'm part of this "new wave", as you call it. Maybe it's because I didn't really have any interaction with people up until recently. Oh well.
:3
I know who's who and what's what.
...And I'm not taking sides.

[fugupinkeye]

Whoo!
Not just new people! New people with brains! Egad.

I'm not simply describing new members in general; I'm talking about new members that stand out of the regular members. The ones who contribute, the ones that will be influential in AA's continuation.

You sillies. =P

so, you do realize the group you just described would be considered elite, don't you? If that's the case, have no fear, as said before todays new intelligent poster is tomorrows elite old timer, it's just the way of things.

[Liegenschonheit]

so, you do realize the group you just described would be considered elite, don't you? If that's the case, have no fear, as said before todays new intelligent poster is tomorrows elite old timer, it's just the way of things.

Wait, what? Who the hell are you and how did you get in here??

* Liegenschonheit stuffs fugu back in his cage and gets the hose

[fugupinkeye]

I am a noob and i have rights!!!

[Liegenschonheit]

Noobs have no rights! Get in your cage!

[Pachinko]

so, you do realize the group you just described would be considered elite, don't you? If that's the case, have no fear, as said before todays new intelligent poster is tomorrows elite old timer, it's just the way of things.

I guess that is sort of what I'm describing.

You win. :fighting:

[animanic_critic]

Anyhoo, I don't see new members as a bad thing. I mean, I wasn't sure if I liked A_C at first, because he seemed to post too much, but he slowly grew on me. I'm not saying there aren't a few bad apples in the bunch, but I think it's still a bit too early to tell at the moment on who will become a contributing member and whose destined to spam until their eventual banning.
Gee, I'm... flattered? :sweatdrop

Honest to God, when I look back in retrospect to my earlier posts, I do find myself as this trash-talking, smart-a** kid who just seemed to enjoy ranting for no good reason. And it's amazing, because "the earlier posts" weren't that early too - they were merely 2 months old! Another thing I realized is how the bloody hell did I reach up to 500+ posts in under 2 months and said to myself "How the f**k did I reach up so fast!?" - I really went ballistic with my remarks back then.

Seriously, after silan created that thread (I believed it's him) on posting your feelings, that's when I began to open my eyes and see what I was really like. People cannot judge themselves; only others can judge other people, and my earlier self really got on my current nerves, as much as I want to say it. That's when I decided to be more coherent with my postings and make a few changes to my style of writing - less bolding & coloring, longer texts, lowering the number the double-postings, etc. and it really seems to be paying off really well.

People can change over time, let alone new members and how long. I don't want to resort to caustic remarks to whip up the new boys into shape, because unlike before, I don't seem to find it amusing anymore; it's getting more tedious actually. So for that, I'll leave that for the others to do; I'm already indifferent to this.

During my earlier experiences, I remembered how I frequently visited AA just to see the comprehensive reviews and diverging opinions of my fellow professors - that was the only reason for me to come to AA. When I first discovered the Lounge, the postings back then really caught my eye, because there seemed to be a lot of freedom to say whatever we like, but keep the rowdiness down when needed. That's when I got tired of just being an outsider/guest to the AA and joined the AA guild, probably one of the more gladly-done decisions in recent times for me.

And that's what I want to see more - new members who want to join to contribute to the good name of AA and not just leave them out there as mere guests. Yes, they appear to be immature at least, but I'll cut them some slack and see whether they'll develop. Who knows, one of those yet-to-join guests may perhaps be our future moderator/professor.

Edited:
"Out with the old, in with the new"; I agree with the statement, but only more on the later portion, and skeptical on the first portion.

[Mana]

I suppose I could be considered one of those old biddies. I was a noob at one point, we all were. It was a lot smaller of a group then, more close-knit, but I've seen many generations of people come and go, and I even had a hiatus and left with one of them. When I came back, a lot of new people were here that I didn't know, but it didn't make them bad, I just rolled with the flow.

I don't like to treat new members differently than old members. I'll treat old member friends like friends, but not because they've been here a while, but because they're a friend of mine; if a friend of mine from elsewhere joined AA today, I'd treat him the same.

People come and people go. Like war, you learn not to get too attached to comrades on a forum, since you never know when they'll up and die. That doesn't mean you can't form some good relationships in the meantime, though.

[Liegenschonheit]

Like war, you learn not to get too attached to comrades on a forum, since you never know when they'll up and die.

Says the girl who is getting married to one of her Forum Buddies :P

[Pachinko]

I suppose I could be considered one of those old biddies. I was a noob at one point, we all were. It was a lot smaller of a group then, more close-knit, but I've seen many generations of people come and go, and I even had a hiatus and left with one of them. When I came back, a lot of new people were here that I didn't know, but it didn't make them bad, I just rolled with the flow.

I don't like to treat new members differently than old members. I'll treat old member friends like friends, but not because they've been here a while, but because they're a friend of mine; if a friend of mine from elsewhere joined AA today, I'd treat him the same.

People come and people go. Like war, you learn not to get too attached to comrades on a forum, since you never know when they'll up and die. That doesn't mean you can't form some good relationships in the meantime, though.

See, I can completely agree with your philosophy; equality.
I can't tell you how many forums I've chucked 'cuz of the lack of respect that the members tend to give. The reason I still come to AA is that I do notice a slight change is some people's attitudes; that elitism is, in a way, fading, and hopefully might vanish for good. I understand is older members would want a little more respect for sticking around for so long, but I don't think the noobs have to "worship" them. And, sadly enough, I've seen it been done before, and it just doesn't have to be like that. Thankfully, this "new" wave has a backbone and a humble opinion... =D I respect that most of all.

[The Geomancer]

I think that the elitisim will completely fade once members stop seeing each other as 'newbies' and 'oldies' and look at them as ordinary members and nothing more.

(for the record, that's how I see all the members here)

...though I suppose that is just wishful thinking on my part.

[annie14892]

I feel so offended..MY posts are short...because I am an incredibly boring person with nothing to say...and it helps people with a low attention spand who cant read alot at a time..

On a different note,I'm so glad that I didn't make a 'hello im new thread' although I did mention it in one of my posts..

Also,I'm sorry if I use 'also' and 'anyways' too much but it's my way to continue things..


I seem like I'm blabbering for the fun of it..BUT actually,I'm not...

[isolatedotaku]

If you are fishing for "new people like AC", don't be so obvious.

Like war, you learn not to get too attached to comrades on a forum, since you never know when they'll up and die. That doesn't mean you can't form some good relationships in the meantime, though.

Well put, and I think a lot of what some see as "Elitism" is actually friendship. A friendship between older members, even some newer ones. Friends read eachother's posts and see it as meaning one thing (this is because they have developed a friendship understand eachother better than others). However, non-friends will read the post and get something totally different from it, this difference might seem offensive or agressive.

Friendship isn't bad. Elitism really isn't as horrible as it is played to be.

[fugupinkeye]

I think that the elitisim will completely fade once members stop seeing each other as 'newbies' and 'oldies' and look at them as ordinary members and nothing more.

(for the record, that's how I see all the members here)

...though I suppose that is just wishful thinking on my part.

more like another new wave will join and the former noob will be an established person here. This is referring to people who are decent and don't talk stupid nonesense, and earn some respect here. I mean, let's be honest, respect is earned. and respect must be shown. Respect the forum and the people here by thinking before posting, by composing thoughts, and not treating it as a chat line, and that respect will come back to you. I see your name by a post, Geomancer, and I know it will be a worthwhile post. That is based on your history here. How does a day one poster expect the same? The elitism gripe implies that it will never be available to some due to thier later arrival here, which of course is nonesense.

holy crap, I seem to have remembered how to ramble on endlessly.

[soundchazer]

holy crap, I seem to have remembered how to ramble on endlessly.

or maybe you are just getting old. Verbal diarrhea seems to become an issue as your grow older.

As for Pachinko's obsession with elitism, all I have to say is relax. You feel someone is elitist? Don't read their posts. I can assure you, the more you post, the more you are to have people who will tag that and other labels to you.

If wanting people to do proper posts and analysis is elitism, then we need to be uber-elitists.

[The Geomancer]

(to fugupinkeye: thanks for the comment)

Personally, I define elitisim as the following:

Ignoring someone's opinion of slamming them simply because of the fact that said elitist is of some higher social stature....or something like that.

It is difficult to tell the difference between elitisim and constructive criticism...though in some cases, it is an immature reaction that is the cause for the accusation of elitisim... in other words, not being able to tolerate "tough love" (sorry, best description I can think of).

One more thing, I see the others here the way I do, because of the fact that in the grand scheme of things, such ranks are so minute they are not even worth considering.

In closing, there are two lessons to be learned. noobs, when (if) you become seasoned members, don't become elitists to the new noobs just because of how you were treated in the past. and seasoned members should help guide the noobs on a proper path.

(sorry if I use commas too much)

[fugupinkeye]

just wait till your my age, young man...

[aoi_n_asul]

averie

your original name. sakito made one helluva sig for you that time ^^

[Pachinko]

or maybe you are just getting old. Verbal diarrhea seems to become an issue as your grow older.

As for Pachinko's obsession with elitism, all I have to say is relax. You feel someone is elitist? Don't read their posts. I can assure you, the more you post, the more you are to have people who will tag that and other labels to you.

If wanting people to do proper posts and analysis is elitism, then we need to be uber-elitists.

I agree with the last part.

I'm not sure how this thread came to discuss elitism; Sure, I don't like it, but that's not the point. >.>
Yet, on threads like these, the point is often hidden from view...

Until it eats yur face like 'dis = :dark3:

averie

your original name. sakito made one helluva sig for you that time ^^

Uh, yes, that was my prior username.
But, I'm talking about an entirely different account, like back in 2002 or around then.

[NausicaaBoy]

As a new member I think that your "time" spent registered to a forum has nothing to do with the quality of your "posts" and your ability to contribute valuable opinions to the greater whole. However, I also agree the "older members" have had more time to hone their skills at analyzing and then reiterating opinions and points - making them the glue that hold the forum together.

As for the bad noobs....well we can just hope they go away soon

P

[The Geomancer]

Even if they do go away, they'll just be replaced by more bad noobs. Still, I find it better that way, If there were none, things would get boring.

[Kitsurai]

The new wave is the future of AA yes, but you only make the future if you prove to be a cool nub, and there hasn't been an awesome nub since like me or Javer. SHAPE UP, NEWBIES.

Pachinko your sig is so goddamn pretty.

NausicaaBoy your sig is FREAKING ME OUT, MAN.

And last but not least, 7,200 Anime Academy sub-forum GET. :cat:

+1, word >.>

[Pachinko]

The new wave is the future of AA yes, but you only make the future if you prove to be a cool nub, and there hasn't been an awesome nub since like me or Javer. SHAPE UP, NEWBIES.

Pachinko your sig is so goddamn pretty.

NausicaaBoy your sig is FREAKING ME OUT, MAN.

And last but not least, 7,200 Anime Academy sub-forum GET. :cat:

+1, word >.>

Thanks doll. :love: But, all of the genius can go to mah darlin' Seven, or whatever his username is here.

I don't think the newbies have to shape up, though. I've seen some pretty impressive noobs.
:whip2:

[Kitsurai]

Unless you speak of a different guy, you've been here since 2002, and you don't know who Phe-..Seven is? :icon_danc

gg Topper

:whip2:
:O

[The Geomancer]

I don't think I'm that bad of a newbie.....Am I ?

[Frog]

Ive been around for years and still dont elite. Then again ive been a lurking pretty much the last 2 years so i have no room to talk.

Now this makes me feel old:
The only member that i miss is Master Blaster and all the fun he was capable of stirring up. When it came to posts, nobody could stir up quite as much negative attention as he could. Bravo. Bravo....

[soundchazer]

Ive been around for years and still dont elite. Then again ive been a lurking pretty much the last 2 years so i have no room to talk.

Now this makes me feel old:
The only member that i miss is Master Blaster and all the fun he was capable of stirring up. When it came to posts, nobody could stir up quite as much negative attention as he could. Bravo. Bravo....


It seems you missed "Tenshi no Rakumei's reign of terror". This is a good indication of how tolerant mods were then when it came to people being harsh with noobs. Under the current administration, she would have been banned within a day or two. How she lasted over a month is beyond me.

[Liegenschonheit]

Well SC, during that time most of the mods were slowly dropping off the face of the earth, and new mods had not been appointed yet. Also, I believe they were trying to adhere to the three strikes rule as much as possible. Yeah, she should have gone much, much faster.

[The Geomancer]

this user, Tenshi no Rakumei, was that bad?

[Ninja Realist]

this user, Tenshi no Rakumei, was that bad?

TnR was a fine woman. A damn fine woman.

[Mana]

Says the girl who is getting married to one of her Forum Buddies :P

Eh, things become differently when you spend most of your time with someone offline than online, and that happened even back when we were still just friends :D

[AlterGenesis-X]

I am elitist! I look down on all of you! Shame! Shame I say!

But, no I don't post all too often, but I always see the instances of foolishness as the read through the topics. Reading is fun! Haven't you heard? All in all, new members a generally very good people. Then again, who am I to talk? I'm a newbie too! :D

[Pachinko]

It seems you missed "Tenshi no Rakumei's reign of terror". This is a good indication of how tolerant mods were then when it came to people being harsh with noobs. Under the current administration, she would have been banned within a day or two. How she lasted over a month is beyond me.

I can remember that chick quite vividly...
It was almost because of her that I nearly gave up AA completely.

But, our mods are good people; they handle the majority of issues with grace & respect the forum-goers.
So, I say we give them a round of applause for their continuing excellence.

* Pachi-chan does what she is speaking of.

[hekikuu]

I used to be around here a lot. I don't think I ever slammed anyone, and I don't think anyone ever slammed me. Good times. I remember TnR. And TypicalIdiotFan. They were fun, though TnR got tiresome, IMO.

[General Suburbia]

TnR was a fine woman. A damn fine woman.
Only after she completely humiliated you.

[Kurorakuda]

It seems you missed "Tenshi no Rakumei's reign of terror". This is a good indication of how tolerant mods were then when it came to people being harsh with noobs. Under the current administration, she would have been banned within a day or two. How she lasted over a month is beyond me.

Pfft. You know I was much worse. I probably would never had changed if it wasn't Liegy sama's tutelage. Ah those days down in that dark, dank dungeon.......

*cringes in fear and offers Liegy a 10-lb. slab of mozzerela*