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Liegenschonheit
05-27-2006, 12:18 AM
Wow. So that wasn't what I expected at all.
The first shock, of course, was Scott getting killed so early on. It was not at all expected because Cyclops had always been at the very center of everything "X-Men" (not that I mind, Scott always annoyed me with his 'holier than thou' attitude). Xavier's death was also quite unexpected, though by that time it was very obvious that the movies had completely deviated from anything in the comic books. In the highly disappointing category are the complete absense of Gambit (again) and Rogue's becomming human.
Overall, it was very good. I couldn't help but think of Frazier in a big blue furry costume whenever Hank spoke, though.
So what did the rest of you think?
Vinnie Jones said "I'M THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH" which seriously must have made the guys who made that dub video really happy.
That made my day.
~Kei
7Raven7
05-27-2006, 01:28 AM
On a whole it was enjoyable but probably less so the the former 2. It will definately throw its share of surprises at you and you will not know what to expect. Unfortunatly, I think this comes with more than its fair share of disappointments as well.
frostback
05-27-2006, 05:01 AM
I have yet to see the movie but I had heard that there is something after the end credits. It may but just internet rumors but who knows.
C0MPL3X
05-27-2006, 05:14 AM
Enough cheese? I guess it served some fanservice for xmen fans, just like advent children did. I mean, what the hell did that cyclop beam had to do with the storyline?
Or better to watch 2 previous movies before being dragged by friends to watch the final instalment.
darylcrowe
05-27-2006, 05:50 AM
It was a good film, but it lost marks in my opinion for ignoring any hint of the xmen comic books. Although Juggernaut was cool.
Syner
05-27-2006, 07:59 AM
i'm seeing it tomorrow.
so I can't wait ^^
GWS923
05-27-2006, 09:03 AM
It was awful, abysmal, I'm sorry I watched it. The second one was so good, and this one just screwed it all up.
By the way, the scene at the end of the credits: (I'm completely spoiling the entire thing, so don't read this if you don't want to know)
Proffesor Xavier transfers his mind to the uninhabbited body he refers to earlier in the film.
Ninja Realist
05-27-2006, 10:14 AM
Vinnie Jones said "I'M THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH" which seriously must have made the guys who made that dub video really happy.
That made my day.
~Kei
I laughed for a whole minute when I saw that.
Sadly that was the highlight of the film for me, because the rest of the film just seemed like different X-Men showing off their super powers. But the excellent casting choice for the Juggernaut and the fact that the film makers tipped their hats to such an awesome internet meme was worth 7.50
Well thaat, and the Snakes on a Plane Teaser Trailer, which was probably worth far more than 7.50.
General Suburbia
05-27-2006, 03:28 PM
I mean, what the hell did that cyclop beam had to do with the storyline?
It was just Scott letting off some steam. But more importantly, does it bother you that much?
Just saw it, and it was pretty good. There were some extremely thrilling moments (the second meeting at Jean's house) and Wolverine was just as badass as i expected him to be. It wasn't as smart as the last x-men installments, but I think it was a heck of a lot more fun.
I've never read the X-Men comics, so my opinion is just on the movie itself and not on stupid fanboy comparisons. I know it's inevitable, but reviewing a movie based not solely on its own merits but by comparison with whatever originals it may have is just dumb. Especially if the movie totally deviated from its comic book roots.
darylcrowe
05-27-2006, 03:59 PM
It was awful, abysmal, I'm sorry I watched it. The second one was so good, and this one just screwed it all up.
By the way, the scene at the end of the credits: (I'm completely spoiling the entire thing, so don't read this if you don't want to know)
Proffesor Xavier transfers his mind to the uninhabbited body he refers to earlier in the film.
Whoah,that happened? Next time I must actually sit through the credits, instead of standing up and leaving when they start to roll
C0MPL3X
05-27-2006, 04:33 PM
It was just Scott letting off some steam. But more importantly, does it bother you that much?
because it came out of nowhere? Actually, I guess instead of going more deeeeeep (imitates haruhi) with that guy's inner turmoil, throwing a compulsory eye beam to 'express his rage' (while we're going owwwwwww instead of 'ow poor boy') would still have been a better directing decision.
Liegenschonheit
05-27-2006, 06:17 PM
I think that the eye beam was more than just a way to show his rage and anger, it also triggered the whole jean rising from the lake thing. She wasn't just hanging out down there doing her nails or something.
Dirty Harry
05-27-2006, 06:20 PM
I think... that this movie was awful. ^__^
The dialogue was really corny at times.
A lot of the scene transitions felt weird.
Nothing really amazing happened.
And the bit after the end wasn't worth sitting through all those damn credits.
X3 failed to entertain me much at all really. Good to know it made so much money and they'll probably make another six films. -_-
sakura_blossom
05-27-2006, 06:27 PM
I just got back from seeing the movie and I'm a bit disappointed with it. I was keeping my hopes up for the third, especially since X2 did well and had a pretty good storyline.
What I don't like really is the fact of mutants who were just mostly thrown in for show in some cases and also:
That most of the original, great, X-Men practically all died. Scott/Cyclops died in the first 15 minutes or so and could've been built on his character much more. Xavier, I was expecting him to actually pass away and leave a huge shock on the school and others, but it seems that the movie fell a bit apart without him there. Jean became the Dark Phoenix and then died, no more of what she can do, that's it and I loved the relationship between her and Cyclops. Rogue doesn't have her mutant ability anymore, that made her unique, she wanted to be normal but it just doesn't seem normal. Lastly I saw at the end of the movie with Magneto, for a moment the one chess piece moved slightly, does that mean anything?
This X-Men installment just left for questions then answers for me. Some characters should've gotten more screen time. Oh well, it is just a movie after all.
I definetly felt this was the weakest of the three. It seems since they're done with the X franchise and are focusing on the Wolverine and Magneto movies that they felt they could kill some people / totally mess with comic continuity. Making the Juggernaut some random mutant and not related to Professor X was one of the most dissapointing things as it could have been a good dynamic.
Cyclops wasn't supposed to die originally but Fox got kinda pissed he was gonna be in Superman Returns so his part was cut down to what it was. Why did Wolverine stab Jean instead of I don't know using one of the thosands of cure bullets lying around?
PsychoSaiya-jin
05-27-2006, 07:36 PM
This was probably the worst of the 3 films so far. Partly due to change of director and lots of ideas being left on the cuttngroom floor.
This film felt like it was aimed at non-fans and in doing so ended up having everything that was wrong with the X-men comics.
Prime example if having far too many characters in there just for the sake of it. In the end, you don't know who half of them are, even if you're a fan of the comics, and you don't care about what happens to any of them. Case in point, bunches of "mutant" extras who's ability seems to be jumping into the fray like buffy-rejects.
Especially comapred to 1 + 2, the script and dialogue was atrocious.
Storm: "Its because you love her isn't it?!?"
Wolverine: [er, wtf? Where'd that come from? I can't even comprehend why you said that. Byebye]
Who wants to place bets on how many dead people will "get better"?
"X3" feels very much like the ideas and concepts left over form 2 were carried over and then alot of it was cut out in favour of mainstream-blockbuster,
Matrix-sequel style.
Mutants being given DBZ-style power-levels/class, made me want to cry.
And why the hell is the only asian in the entire movie a nameless baddie with no name or proper power??
ShinoMatrix
05-27-2006, 08:37 PM
I keep saying this to those who have not seen the movie yet but asking of my opinion about it. Definitely not as good as the first two, but if you've seen them, you're probably going to see this anyway just for some kind of conclusion.
Which is the bad thing. This movie pretty much tried to put a stop at the whole X-men universe. As many of us would know, comic reader or not, there's far more depth and story to the whole thing, and yet somehow the story of this movie tried to close it off, kind of stop any sort of continuity from this point on. I think they might have faired better had they kept the storyline ending at a more open sort of situation. Have an ending, but keep it an open ending, is what I believe. It would have been more satisfying.
GunGrave
05-27-2006, 08:53 PM
it was a good movie but could of been better but i hop the next 1 will be better
Lupinthe3rd
05-27-2006, 09:37 PM
I definetly felt this was the weakest of the three. It seems since they're done with the X franchise and are focusing on the Wolverine and Magneto movies that they felt they could kill some people / totally mess with comic continuity. Making the Juggernaut some random mutant and not related to Professor X was one of the most dissapointing things as it could have been a good dynamic.
Cyclops wasn't supposed to die originally but Fox got kinda pissed he was gonna be in Superman Returns so his part was cut down to what it was. Why did Wolverine stab Jean instead of I don't know using one of the thosands of cure bullets lying around?
Jeans power would of destroyed those cure bullets with all the energy she was releasing at the end.
I loved this movie from the Marvel logo to the final clip of the movie. It was all I have been expecting and then some. I reccomend you go see it...
Kuzu Ryu Sen
05-27-2006, 10:03 PM
That doesn't make any sense. Adamantium is as susceptible to Jean's power as the Cure Vials, so Jean clearly let Logan stab him. But then again, it's not "dramatic" if there's no tragic climax and all that horseshit, and we can't have that "beautiful" scene with the graves at the end.
Movie...
Dialogue - terrible.
Plot - hackneyed cliche fest.
Characters - too many, too one-dimensional (particularly Magneto).
Acting - passable considering what they had to work with.
Overall = waste of money.
TwinchaosX
05-28-2006, 02:10 AM
That doesn't make any sense. Adamantium is as susceptible to Jean's power as the Cure Vials, so Jean clearly let Logan stab him. But then again, it's not "dramatic" if there's no tragic climax and all that horseshit, and we can't have that "beautiful" scene with the graves at the end.
Movie...
Dialogue - terrible.
Plot - hackneyed cliche fest.
Characters - too many, too one-dimensional (particularly Magneto).
Acting - passable considering what they had to work with.
Overall = waste of money.
I disagree Magneto was the best part I found the movie to be disappointing overall. It felt very short and there was really no story to speak of and Jean Gray just stood around the full time mostly.
Liegenschonheit
05-28-2006, 03:11 AM
Maybe the reason that I liked this movie as much as I did is because I've always hated jean and scott. I swear, it was like candy sometimes. Freaking goody-two shoes prats.
Kagome654
05-28-2006, 05:39 AM
*sigh* I keep telling myself that the movieverse is utterly divorced from the comicverse so the different characterization was really not that big of deal, but it STILL bothers me...
And considering that there were so many mutants there am I the only one that felt the fights on the Rock were pretty bland? Even if those mutants of the Brotherhood were mostly just 'pawns' it seemed most of their abilites consisted of charging blindly. The 'bad guys' had a lack of power, so why didn't they introduce the Blob, Quicksilver, the Scarlet Witch and Mastermind? Speaking of which, I'm not too sure that guy speaking to the Brotherhood before Magneto showed up wasn't supposed to be Mastermind...he looked like I always pictured him...
ShinoMatrix
05-28-2006, 06:25 AM
It was pretty bland in my opinion. Even a low level ranking military officer would know to direct his troops to encircle the island rather than just send them in wave after wave... pawn or not. It was just quite unintelligent.
Lupinthe3rd
05-28-2006, 01:06 PM
That doesn't make any sense. Adamantium is as susceptible to Jean's power as the Cure Vials, so Jean clearly let Logan stab him. But then again, it's not "dramatic" if there's no tragic climax and all that horseshit, and we can't have that "beautiful" scene with the graves at the end.
Movie...
Dialogue - terrible.
Plot - hackneyed cliche fest.
Characters - too many, too one-dimensional (particularly Magneto).
Acting - passable considering what they had to work with.
Overall = waste of money.
Think about this... the so called "cure" was not a cure but a mutant suppressant that actualy suppresed there powers for a certain time frame. and when xavier was supposed to be dead who elise could suppress the phoinex powers if the cure did not work? or she regained her powers back soon after...
Kuzu Ryu Sen
05-28-2006, 02:22 PM
If the cure isn't an actual cure, then the whole movie is utterly pointless. Besides, how the hell were they supposed to know? And in a situation like that, logically, you'd take temporary cure over permanent death. You can always stab her later if a problem comes up.
Ninja Realist
05-28-2006, 03:57 PM
He had to stab her because a death was just about the only way that the utterly inept screen writer knew of to generate drama.
PsychoSaiya-jin
05-28-2006, 04:32 PM
The biggest stupidity was that no one ever thought to use Leech or his powers as an answer to Pheonix's uncontrollable powers.
The Leech vs The Pheonix;
The most powerful mutant ever, made powerless by a little kid.
Akuhei
05-28-2006, 06:05 PM
she would have torn him to pieces before he could get within 100 feet of her
Major Tom
05-28-2006, 08:53 PM
Having not read any of the comic books and only having seen the first movie, I thought it wasn't that bad an effort. Popcorn schlock, yes but it entertained me.
I do think the entire film felt very rushed. Would have done much better as a miniseries or something, there were some parts that could have done with a lot more screen time.
DarkKanti
05-28-2006, 10:09 PM
Maybe the reason that I liked this movie as much as I did is because I've always hated jean and scott. I swear, it was like candy sometimes. Freaking goody-two shoes prats.
Amen to that. I never liked them either.
I liked the movie as well. I don't think it was as good as the second one, but I still liked it. I don't think it was as cheezy as a lot of people are making it out to be. Nothing Oscar worthy, but I still enjoyed myself.
Akimichi Choji
05-29-2006, 12:02 AM
I thought it was ok. I think they added too many main x-men without delving into their stories though. I mean, Angel is one of the most amazing f the x-men, and he was on screen for like 4 minutes all together, I mean come on!
But at least in this one they gave Wolverine a job no one else could do, that made me happy. I give it about an 8/10.
PsychoSaiya-jin
05-29-2006, 12:23 AM
Is it just me or was making Wolverine the leader of the X-men possibly the worst thing of all? So out of character
DarkKanti
05-29-2006, 01:14 AM
Is it just me or was making Wolverine the leader of the X-men possibly the worst thing of all? So out of character
I'm pretty sure they made Storm the leader, which actually would follow the comic (Of course, I could care less about how close it is to the comic, but some people care way too much about it anyways).
Besides all the things you guys have said, theres also the fact that we never got to see Gambit.
Ripcord
05-29-2006, 08:16 AM
Well going into this movie I didn't expect the story to stay true to the comics when it came to phonix and I think the back story they used to explain it was fine.
while Scotts death so early was unexpected it didn't bother me that much because I didn't care for the character in any of the movies, but the professors death was really well done I think.
As silly as Beast looked the fight scenes were great. It was better than the first movie but not as good as X2
Ghostmaster
05-29-2006, 10:11 AM
Vinnie Jones said "I'M THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH" which seriously must have made the guys who made that dub video really happy.
That made my day.
~Kei
Totally agree best part of the movie. I still can't believe he said it. One thing that also bothered me is Scott does die so early on and his a key character. Also Charles's death was pretty upsetting, but done very well. I had a feeling Jean would die at the end, but not all those people. Obviously they decided to go on a different path than the comic books. But I think it was a good idea if thats how they wanted to end the movies. One thing i don't get is that Magneto moves that piece at the end does that mean another movie? I also didn't like that Rogue got her powers taken away totally ruins her character. Another thing I don't get is why wasn't Nightcrawler in the movie?
Griveton
05-29-2006, 10:55 AM
Is it just me or was making Wolverine the leader of the X-men possibly the worst thing of all? So out of character
As I saw it, Logan wasn't a leader at all. Storm was chosen, and she took that job. During most of the movie Logan is the usual self-centered loner. However, during combat, Logan is quite a bit better qualified than storm and his team-centered dialogues are pretty much in character with who he is.
Logan didn't appear to me as the supposed leader of the X-men, but his normal behavior made a special impact on the rest of the mutants when the war seemed inevitable, thus making him a de facto leadership figure
Akimichi Choji
05-29-2006, 07:23 PM
Besides all the things you guys have said, theres also the fact that we never got to see Gambit.
Well we were supposed to get to see Gambit but the actor who was scheduled to play him(Sawyer from the show Lost) decided to ditch the project.
GWS923
05-29-2006, 07:32 PM
Whoah,that happened? Next time I must actually sit through the credits, instead of standing up and leaving when they start to roll
Yeah, it was actually one of the cooler parts from the movie.
Roark
05-29-2006, 09:10 PM
she would have torn him to pieces before he could get within 100 feet of her
I dunno... she seemed relatively calm until the army pissed her off. This is pretty much modus operendi in any magic/psionic tabletop RPG. How do you kill the powerful mage? Have the fighter delay his action, get an anti-magic field around the mage, then have the fighter grapple and keep the mage there. The kid is a mobile anti-magic field, so handcuff him to her. Easy.
Non-spoiler content:
The movie did seem weak. There were at least two movies in there. The pacing felt way off, not enough plot was given, not enough character was revealed, and not enough action came out of it. The movie just took on way too much, tied up too many plot points, and just had so many ideas going on that they all got lip service.
More spoiler stuff:
Another good Jean-kill: Rogue sucks out her powers. Again, not that hard to work in. I'm ignoring any comic stuff here, but in movie-logic there's nothing saying that Rogue's power drain shouldn't work on Jean. That brings up another good point: where the **** was Gambit to solve this whole Iceman love angst thing? In a completely non-comic way it'd solve the issue perfectly.
Specific plot stuff:
I don't know where the hell this "mutant power levels" thing came from. That needed a movie's worth of explanation. Angel needed two movies to fully into play as a character, father relationships and all. The mutant underground needed a lot more fleshing out. And, biggest of all, why the hell were the X-Men fighting AGAINST a cure? Some kinda pro-choice thing? Again, interplay between two movies should've brought out more Magneto/Xavier dialogue about ethics, politics, and the role of mutants. Magneto either needed to be more villainous or a hell of a lot more sympathetic, not just an antagonist. The "war" was just a battle here. It needed to be a full out war, taking up much of a fourth movie. A war with ideals, people fighting for something, and the X-men trying to figure out what exactly they stand for in the absence of Prof. X.
It was a good popcorn flick. If it weren't for the fact that budget cinemas don't exist in Chicago, I'd definately have waited a few months and paid budget cine prices instead of the full out cost.
Then again, Mana and I *did* weasal student fare, so...
Dirty Harry
05-29-2006, 09:28 PM
The mutant levels in the comics are a lot simpler and cooler sounding. The top-tier of mutants are Omega, and this includes people like Iceman and Jean Grey. It's a bit weird, but OMEGA LEVEL just sounds kind of cool.
Major Tom
05-29-2006, 09:55 PM
Scott does die so early on and his a key character. Also Charles's death was pretty upsetting, but done very well. I had a feeling Jean would die at the end, but not all those people. Obviously they decided to go on a different path than the comic books. But I think it was a good idea if thats how they wanted to end the movies. One thing i don't get is that Magneto moves that piece at the end does that mean another movie? I also didn't like that Rogue got her powers taken away totally ruins her character.
The end of the film looks to have been done deliberatley to leave options open. The films could quite easily end here, or if there is enough interest, they can continue.
Don't forget (I missed it as well, I needed it explained to me) that:
The 'cure' isn't really a cure per se. All it does is surpress the mutant gene. The effects last for a long time, but they aren't permanent, so Magneto and Rogue's power aren't really gone. They will come back.
PsychoSaiya-jin
05-30-2006, 01:41 AM
The mutant levels in the comics are a lot simpler and cooler sounding. The top-tier of mutants are Omega, and this includes people like Iceman and Jean Grey. It's a bit weird, but OMEGA LEVEL just sounds kind of cool.
Iceman has always been an understated character as far as his powers are concerned. It was only once he was told that his power was only limited by his imagination that he really started to let-loose with the cool stuff.
Some of which he does manage to show-off in this movie :D
While the rivalry betweem Pryo was never one that existed in the comics, it gave way for a good clash of fire and ice. Fire vs Ice has always been a popular motif so is always welcome. Just a shame that the characterisation of everyone in the movie was so flat and awful.
Risen Hell Fire
05-30-2006, 06:29 AM
Well unllike some of you I enjoy this movie, yet it was short and the plot was no X 2 or 1, and I guess there was too many characters to give a hooplah about. And for the fact it leaves question unanswered. I still liked it despite it's easy to see flaws. Just wish they stick to real x-men villians. 7/10 EDIT: I would've give it a higher score if Juggernaut's lines were nothing but, "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch"
alien222
05-30-2006, 10:41 PM
Calisto and Jogernaught were my favorite characters... I like the fact that in the end Magneto was able to shake the chess peice :D... other than that i think some parts were overkill and it was kind of corny...
Spilled Milk
05-30-2006, 11:54 PM
If there was more angel in the movie I would have liked it better!!!
j/k...kind of >.> <.<...
Really I have the same complaint as basically everyone else i talked to..too many characters, as a result there was next to no character developement..and characters like angel..were like barely there and you kinda were like.."whats he doing here again?" they ended up having no significance
Jedinator
05-31-2006, 11:39 AM
Overall good movie, I like what happens at the very end after the credits, that makes it alot better. For the next one I am expecting gambit because if he is not in it, i think alot of people, including me will be pissed.
Tremolo
05-31-2006, 01:54 PM
Not the travesty I was expecting, but ultimately the least essential movie of the "trilogy". A diverting 1 hour and 40 minutes of entertainment but not particularly amazing or special. Rattner did a good job with what he had, but the script was a bit lacking and the middle section was exceptionally flat. The action and special effects were of a very high standard though, especially the Golden Gate Bridge scene and it was nice to see all the old characters again. Pretty good, but not great, and a few parts rubbed me up the wrong way (the deaths and the cure, for instance) but it was OK overall.
Erigion
06-01-2006, 10:19 PM
Saw it last night and it was a little better than I expected it to be. But in the end it was crappy action scenes, crappy dialogue, crappy character development, crappy plot, and a crappy money grubbing ending. Basically, the writing was really, really crappy combine that with the "suspenseful" fights, I mean staring contests (Jean v Professor X, Iceman v Pyro, Jean v Wolverine), and you get a crappy movie.
By the way anyone else feel like they could have just replaced Jean with a cardboard cutout and not lost anything?
I don't think I used crappy enough in this post.
Zushio
06-01-2006, 11:15 PM
Basically, the writing was really, really crappy combine that with the "suspenseful" fights, I mean staring contests (Jean v Professor X, Iceman v Pyro, Jean v Wolverine), and you get a crappy movie.
By the way anyone else feel like they could have just replaced Jean with a cardboard cutout and not lost anything?
It's like watching Gundam SEED or SEED Destiny!
PsychoSaiya-jin
06-02-2006, 05:46 AM
It's like watching Gundam SEED or SEED Destiny!
No, that'll be the next film. In Destiny, nobody important dies and dead people come back from the grave for no reason.
silan
06-03-2006, 11:58 PM
Despite what everyone else says, I actually liked it. Yes, there were glaring flaws. To me, the script was not bad per se; it was just very, very ordinary, i.e. nothing to capture your attention and make you hang on each word. But then, scripts have never really been Hollywood's strong suit, not for years and years now. Also, the movie ran way short in my opinion. If they'd extended it to 2 hours, they could have added some meaningful character development, especially by way of characters like Angel, who unfortunately had a total of five scenes in the entire movie, none of which lasted more than a few minutes. Sure, he's not necessarily an essential character to the main focus of the movie, but fleshing out of his character would have been awesome. Even just giving him a name would have been a step in the right direction.
But actually, I thought they handled some things well in that short time. Some of the action scenes were good. I liked seeing Storm step up into the Professor's place; those scenes were nice, despite the circumstances. The Phoenix and her powers were wicked cool beyond belief, and even though Jean was walking around kind of like a zombie for most of the movie, for her emotional moments she was believable. Ummmm.... I'm sure there were other things, although I can't remember them now.
Then again, I did find myself actually laughing out loud at some parts. At the Juggernaut's line, of course, that was an intended joke. But other parts, maybe not quite so intended:
The scene where the soldiers are switching out their weapons and getting rid of their metal weapons and items was way too reminiscent of that scene from Robin Hood: Men in Tights in which Robin Hood's gang is equipping themselves with jerkins, boots, and pantyhose for me to take seriously. I'd kind of even swear that the same guy did the voiceover, except for the fact that the guy in Robin Hood is wielding an accent. Hilarious.
The scene when Magneto moved the Golden Gate Bridge was a bit overkill. Come on, couldn't he just hijack a ship and sneak onto the island, craftily work into the building while taking out guards on the way, murder the poor kid, and then slip away with his mission accomplished? No! He has to arrive in grandiose style on top a flying Bridge, causing a full-blown war in front of the building. Not really the smartest move, Magneto, but considering he tried to use the Statue of Liberty in the first movie, maybe he just has a flare for the dramatic.
The President was overdramatic to the extreme. He pronounced his lines like an overacting character out of a bad 60s movie, so much so that I could almost imagine MST3K parodies of him while I was listening to him. It was hard for me to accept him a serious character.
Kitty reminded me of Miss Deep. She has a damn cool power too. However, sorry to shoot you down, guys, but she is in no way hot. In fact, I thought she looked a little dopey. She also only looks about 14, even though she's older than that in real life. Loli pedo!
But overall.... I liked it. I really did.
Niner
06-04-2006, 12:11 AM
You write a lot, obaa-chan. Lots of words make Niner dizzy. x.x
A few things, though. The guy talking as the soldiers are replacing their weaponry is R. Lee Ermey, of Full Metal Jacket and The History Channel fame. I don't think he did the voiceover in Men in Tights, or at least it didn't sound like him when I watched it a week or so ago.
And Kitty Pryde is hella cute. Not hot, as you said. But damn cute.
Niner go sleepies now.
soundchazer
06-04-2006, 04:19 AM
I see it as being the equivalent of what Aliens was to the original Alien movie: a nice action piece centered in telling a story instead of focusing on the characters.
Having said that, the main problem is that instead of making it a real Dark Phoenix Saga story, the mixed and blended like 4 stories from the X-Men mythos in one movie, which is why it felt disjointed. For those who want to know, they kind of combined the Mutant Massacre, Forge's invention of a mutant cure, the Dark Phoenix Saga and even elements of the Siege Perilous and Charles leaving with the Star Jammers. Again... way too much going on.
LakiDash
06-04-2006, 09:51 AM
I say they could have not added at least 9 of the new characters, and just had Colossus more.
Or just...make a whole movie about Colossus and how he is metal and russian and stuff.
That'd be pretty sweet.
Overall, it wasn't really bad. It was a fun movie to watch. It was no X2. But compared to the trash heap of Super hero movies the film industry has offered us, it stands somewhere in the Upper-Middle section.
silan
06-04-2006, 10:54 AM
By the way.... what happened to Storm's accent?
Ghostmaster
06-04-2006, 10:57 AM
The end of the film looks to have been done deliberatley to leave options open. The films could quite easily end here, or if there is enough interest, they can continue.
Don't forget (I missed it as well, I needed it explained to me) that:
The 'cure' isn't really a cure per se. All it does is surpress the mutant gene. The effects last for a long time, but they aren't permanent, so Magneto and Rogue's power aren't really gone. They will come back.
Oh ok didn't realize that. But still not one answered how come Nightcrawler wasn't in the movie?
Niner
06-04-2006, 11:19 AM
By the way.... what happened to Storm's accent?
It disappeared somewhere between X-Men and X2.
But still not one answered how come Nightcrawler wasn't in the movie?
Alan Cumming was set to reprise his role from X2, but Ratner gave Nightcrawler such a small part in the film, Cumming didn't see it as worthwhile enough to take time to be there, so he just opted not to do it. He did, however, do voice-over work for the official video game.
Ghostmaster
06-06-2006, 04:59 PM
It disappeared somewhere between X-Men and X2.
Alan Cumming was set to reprise his role from X2, but Ratner gave Nightcrawler such a small part in the film, Cumming didn't see it as worthwhile enough to take time to be there, so he just opted not to do it. He did, however, do voice-over work for the official video game.
Oh ok, thats kind of stupid, but I could see why Alan Cumming wouldn't want to do it. I didn't realize that until now about Storm's accent, I just think of Halle Berry, so I don't expect one.
Erigion
06-06-2006, 08:20 PM
Nightcrawler's disappearance is more evidence of shoddy writing. He completely vanished without a peep from anyone in the movie. You'd think Professor X or Storm would have said something like: "Oh he went back to Germany." Or something. But nope, it's like he never existed.
Kuragari
06-06-2006, 08:22 PM
The 'cure' isn't really a cure per se. All it does is surpress the mutant gene. The effects last for a long time, but they aren't permanent, so Magneto and Rogue's power aren't really gone. They will come back.
Let's just hope Rogue's powers don't come back while she and Iceman are uh..fogging up the windows. :D
I was disappointed with not enough Angel in the film. :( I also thought the Phoenix a bit underused. I don't really know how they could have made it better trying to fit such an extensive storyline into movie length, but I guess it was bound to happen from the moment they decided to use her in the movies at all. :[
As much as I would have liked to have seen Gambit and Nightcrawler etc, some of the characters barely had enough screentime as it was (Angel >.>!). Plus although Nightcrawler is pretty wicked, it sort of worked out well that Alan Cumming didn't return because it gave Beast a chance to shine.
and Psylocke was evil...nooooo ;-;
DarkKanti
06-06-2006, 11:24 PM
Let's just hope Rogue's powers don't come back while she and Iceman are uh..fogging up the windows. :D
That's exactly the first thing my friends and I thought about...
Niner
06-06-2006, 11:43 PM
Serves him right for going with frumpy ol' Rogue when he can have the cute-as-the-dickens Kitty Pryde.
>.>
Perfect summary of the movie:
http://shortpacked.com/d/20060605.html
~Kei
PsychoSaiya-jin
06-07-2006, 08:54 AM
Let's just hope Rogue's powers don't come back while she and Iceman are uh..fogging up the windows. :D
Thats kinda what was lacking in Rogue's character. Half of her power/character was supposed to be from the fact she actually put some people in a coma before and that she permanently has the powers of one of them because of that. In this film, they've just completely pooped on her character along with a host of others [like in the comic linked earlier].
soundchazer
06-07-2006, 09:05 AM
Thats kinda what was lacking in Rogue's character. Half of her power/character was supposed to be from the fact she actually put some people in a coma before and that she permanently has the powers of one of them because of that. In this film, they've just completely pooped on her character along with a host of others [like in the comic linked earlier].
That's not quite true. Rogue learned to control her powers enough to avoid putting Mutants in a coma, and in most cases, her power transference is NOT permanent.
Kei: I still believe Episodes II and III of Star Wars have the worst scripts and even worse dialogues ever to grace a sci-fi/adventure film.
Kagura
06-15-2006, 08:41 AM
No one's said much of Mystique.
I was saddened to see her take the bullet for Magneto and then be abandoned (well... it's better than killed). I'm surprised the naked Rebecca Romjin didn't turn Magneto or Juggernaut on enough to be like, "Well we'll give you new powers... The mutant power of prostitution."
I was happy to see that she turned against Magneto (I figured she'd either go to the government officials (Beast) or seek refuge at the school, but then I realized that she's still some sort of evil).
And hopefully her powers will come back too!
PsychoSaiya-jin
06-15-2006, 04:42 PM
That's not quite true. Rogue learned to control her powers enough to avoid putting Mutants in a coma, and in most cases, her power transference is NOT permanent.
But it was in the case if MS Marvel [under guidance from Mystique] and she did manage to put one kid in a coma by accident originally.
[qoute]
Kei: I still believe Episodes II and III of Star Wars have the worst scripts and even worse dialogues ever to grace a sci-fi/adventure film.[/QUOTE]
That's a pretty hard title to attain, it's not like there's not alot of competition.
Then again, I never really thought of X-men as a sci-fi/adventure.
soundchazer
06-15-2006, 05:02 PM
In Ms Marvel's case, it was because Ms Marvel tried to fight back and did not let go in time. As for the kid she put in a comma, that is a side effect that takes place when she makes contact for too long. Both cases are not really part of her power, but more of a side effect.
PsychoSaiya-jin
06-16-2006, 03:09 AM
In Ms Marvel's case, it was because Ms Marvel tried to fight back and did not let go in time. As for the kid she put in a comma, that is a side effect that takes place when she makes contact for too long. Both cases are not really part of her power, but more of a side effect.
I was meaning to say they were a part of her character [MS Marvel also contributing something extra to her powers too].
PassiveObserver
06-16-2006, 03:30 AM
I really wish they would have done a little more with the lesser mutants. Like the guy that could create seemingly infinite copies of himself. They just kind of let him have copies instead of showing that each copy takes a part of his personality with him, which is something I always thought was pretty spiffy.
Niner
06-16-2006, 07:27 AM
Multiple Man has always been a hero in classic Marvel continuity, but once again, movieverse takes whatever version is suitable to them and as such, they use him in his Ultimate Marvel incarnation where he is a member of the Brotherhood.
I really wished they'd keep some sort of consistency. -____-
Mouse
06-17-2006, 10:00 PM
I think... that this movie was awful. ^__^
The dialogue was really corny at times.
A lot of the scene transitions felt weird.
Nothing really amazing happened.
And the bit after the end wasn't worth sitting through all those damn credits.
X3 failed to entertain me much at all really. Good to know it made so much money and they'll probably make another six films. -_-
^ What he said.
Like everyone else, I missed Gambit and Nightcrawler and wanted more Angel as well. Most of the cast was misused, but the biggest mistake was with Jean Grey. Her freak out at the end was rather unprovoked--of all her freakouts--reducing her to nothing more than an afterthought when she was supposed to be the main focus. I wasn't too sad over Cyclops' death, either. Like Liegs he and Jean can get on my nerves, plus I've always especially hated the love triangle with Wolverine. Agay.
And Rogue... my favorite character in the entire series... words can not express my distaste at what they've done to her. I've been bitter since the first movie, right down to the actress who plays her, so though the first two were better movies, I've always been disappointed. There was no reason for #3 to be an exception. If they make a fourth movie, my silver lining is that she'll "accidentally" cling to Iceman too long, thinking she's cured, and suck the kid dry until he goes comatose. Then she'll go through her guilt-ridden stage of uber-kickassness while she tears sh*t up with her newfound ice powers. Heelll yeah. That's the Rogue I know and love. Though of course I'd prefer if it was her original storyline with M Marvel, or whatever her name was. But obviously they won't be going in that direction.
Anyway, it was an entertaining popcorn flick that I'll never watch again. I wish they'd just stick with one comic storyline.
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