Sony speaks confidence

[Pedro The Hutt]

"Sony Computer Entertainment Europe CEO David Reeves says many key PS3 titles will miss the November 17 launch window and will now release in 2007 but he adds that PS3 would sell 5 million units, at its current price, even if it had no games available for it."

Whole article here. (http://megagames.com/news/html/console/whatissonythinking.shtml)

And on top of that, no second hand PS3 games (http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=20060524153157765035&sectionId=1006) for you!

[Yurika Star]

They are SO increasing there selability to me.

On the othe hand... if the PS3 comes out at the right time it could coincide with my $1,500 bonus at my new job.... :D

But this is so... stupid from a PR point of view. Slap on a huge price tag. A player that may never catch on and a probably dyer launch-games and you're not doign your self any PR favours.

So I may not buy one out of protest. I guess I'll see when I get my bonus.

[The Geomancer]

Bad Idea, thats all i have to say.

[AqueousMessage]

We have built up a certain brand equity over time since the launch of PlayStation in 1995 and PS2 in 2000 that the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn't have games.

*facepalm* But isn't the purpose of buying the PS3 is to play games that go with it? I don't know who is running ship over there at Sony, but they need to take the first rocket back to reality.

[Scoot]

Surely the worst thing they could possibly do is to insult the gaming community before a launch of this importance to Sony? In my experience, gamers do not react well to arrogance...

[Senshi]

lol I like that dude's cocky attitude... hes like:

"Yeah... so what if it has no games... youre gonna buy it bitches! and wanna know something? YOUR GONNA LIKE IT!"

*CEO slaps consumer across the face.*


That CEO is the Ike Turner of CEOs

[The Geomancer]

I personally have a bigger problem with their anti-preowned thing

here's why:

Suppose you have one [PS3], you get a game for it (new), but after a while, it sucks, or for any other reason you wanna get rid of it. that is, in my opinion the essence of the preown system. Also it makes it so that getting games is less like playing russian roulette.

(EDIT: not sure if that was a good explanation)

[JaQuais J.]

lol I like that dude's cocky attitude... hes like:

"Yeah... so what if it has no games... youre gonna buy it bitches! and wanna know something? YOUR GONNA LIKE IT!"

*CEO slaps consumer across the face.*


That CEO is the Ike Turner of CEOs :D lol

[f1rst children]

That CEO is the Ike Turner of CEOs

lol, but he's right. Launch will sell out easily, between the rich, the fanboys, and the eBay dealers.

Oh, and the "no used games" rumor has been denied by Sony.
link (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17283)

[SonicTHP]

I see that Sony likes to continually shoot themselves in the foot. At this rate they will have only had two sucessful consoles leaving the rivalry to be between Nintendo and Microsoft. Sega was once great and have fallen. It can happen to Sony too. Nintendo seems to be the only stable one in the business anymore.

[Pedro The Hutt]

lol, but he's right. Launch will sell out easily, between the rich, the fanboys, and the eBay dealers.

Oh, and the "no used games" rumor has been denied by Sony.
link (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17283)

Well, that's at least one good thing then. XD Now let's just see what games the PS3 will launch with so those can become second hand. >.>;;

[jetfire]

I think that's a really stupid move on Sony's part. I can understand why Sony may be wanting to save a bit more money in sales, by not having the same copy of the game being bought multiple times, but for cripes sake, they're 1st place in the market anyway. Customers buying used PS2 games didnt really put them out of business, so I don't know why they would slap gamers across the face with this.

I buy plenty of my games used (and also plenty new), and it gives me more of a reason to own my systems. Games are freaking expensive, and it's extremely difficult to build a significant collection out of all non-used games. Sometimes, too many games come out. I try to get all the new ones that I can, but a lack of money prohibits me from doing that. By the time I have some extra cash to get the rest of the games, I can usually pick them up used, because by that time there are more new games on the market. And for people who want to get rid of their games, the only option is to sell them to friends, to keep them lying around and never play them, or to throw them in the trash.

I really love Sony's products. In fact, I own more PS2 games (43 of them!) than any other games for every other system. But Sony is starting to make me lose respect. The system price is insanely expensive, and very inconvenient for many gamers (ex. kids will never get their parents to get them this system, teenagers will have a very difficult time saving up, and adults will already have mortgages, bills and kids to pay for). Blue Ray technology isnt that important to a high amount of people today, because blue ray technology isnt even that popular yet, like HDTV (although its getting a bit more popular). Not many people will even need super high definition graphics at this point (despite how impressive they may be), which ups the system price. Finally, this bold move was just a slap in the face, from a company that I've dedicated so much of my hard earned cash towards their products.

Now don't get me wrong. I am impressed by the technology itself, as well as the games, but money is definately an issue for me here. I think for now, I'll just stick with my 360, pick up a Wii later, and wait about 7 years for Sony to drop it's price considerably. I mean, the PS3 with a 60GB hard drive will literally cost $799 in Canada, since it's $699 in the US. Add in taxes and I'm looking between $850 - $1000). Also, Sony said it was planning to target non-hardcore gamers as well. I don't think that people that have hardly bought a system in their life, will be willing to shell out about $800 - $1000 dollars, just because it looks neat.

Edit: And just a few hours ago, I went to my local EB, where a salesperson told me that the PS3 will be $650 with tax at most for a PS3 with a 60GB hard drive, on launch date. I don't know if this is the official price, or if he just assumed it. I'm guessing that it will be more. I mean, a 60GB iPod is pretty much the same price as that over here, and the PS3 has more expensive technology apart from the hard drive. Still, even if it is $650 + tax, that's still a very high price to pay for the system. That's $747.50 with tax, at cheapest. Not to mention getting a game or two with it, and an extra controller.

[Linuts]

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I really love Sony's products. In fact, I own more PS2 games (43 of them!) than any other games for every other system. But Sony is starting to make me lose respect. The system price is insanely expensive, and very inconvenient for many gamers (ex. kids will never get their parents to get them this system, teenagers will have a very difficult time saving up, and adults will already have mortgages, bills and kids to pay for). Blue Ray technology isnt that important to a high amount of people today, because blue ray technology isnt even that popular yet, like HDTV (although its getting a bit more popular). Not many people will even need super high definition graphics at this point (despite how impressive they may be), which ups the system price. Finally, this bold move was just a slap in the face, from a company that I've dedicated so much of my hard earned cash towards their products.


I can't agree more.

Sony seems to still be living in six years ago... When PS2 sold because it was also a DVD player. Back then, there WAS a demand for DVD, that's why that strategy worked. This time, ask an average consumer what a Blu-Ray is and they'd think you're talking about a fish :p. They have tried to justify the price of PS3, saying it's actually "too cheap" because it is also a Blu-Ray player. So F-ing what?! Have we actually seen any media distirubtors using your yet to be finalized format? How many people will actually be able to afford that 4000 dollar TV just to see this high quality in action? How does Blu-Ray compare to DVD in quality, the way DVD did with VHS?

PS1 and PS2 are the only back-then-"next gen" consoles I owned. But now... With the ridiculous price tag, a bogus controller, the overall vague line-up of games, and with their sales people continuing to shoot themselves in the foot, my confidence in this console is slipping away. As tasty as MGS4 and FF13 looks, my eyes are now set on the Wii....

[Major Tom]

Oh, and the "no used games" rumor has been denied by Sony.
link (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17283)

That's good to hear. I was concerned there for a moment.

For me, the most likely way I'll end up with any of these systems is second hand. The PS2 in our house was second hand (I think the PS1 was new, but if it was it was a Christmas gift or something), hell most of the parts in my PC are second hand.

Every single PS1 & 2 game that I own is second hand. If it was that Sony had attempted to quash the used market (which I still not entirely convinced that they haven't given up on the idea) then I would say they probably would have shot themselves in the head, rather than the foot.

As for the other articles, I think the term asshat (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=asshat) is the most appropriate.

[jetfire]

Thank god that's a rumour. Still, it won't make it easier for me to buy a PS3. If the price was on par with the 360, then I would consider it.

[General Suburbia]

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[Griveton]

The sad part is, the guy is right. There are enough Sony Fanboys (I do know a fair share of them), who would purchase the PS3 because "It's a Sony". Yes, I've heard people say that old slogan. The amount and/or quality of the games in the console are a distant second priority for some.

Every minute an idiot is born, indeed.

[Pedro The Hutt]

Another example (http://www.cnet.com.au/games/ps3/0,39035763,40063411,00.htm) of cockiness and supreme confidence... I call it another shot in the foot.

"We have already worked on it a long time, and Nintendo almost certainly has done likewise with something similar," he said. "It is perfectly naturally for two companies to work on (nearly) identical devices. It's like that with technology." He reiterated that the PS2's Dual Shock controller is the "de facto-industry standard for video games. ... We define the standard for the man-machine interface for playing games."

And chuck out your PC too!

the Linux-based operating system on the console's hard drive will have enough processing power and non-gaming functionalities to render traditional PCs -- most of which use a form of Microsoft's Windows OS -- moot in the home. "We believe that the PS3 will be the place where our users play games, watch films, browse the Web, and use other (home) computer functions. The PlayStation 3 is a computer. We do not need the PC."

[Major Tom]

And chuck out your PC too!

What is this sensation? Is that my cheek smarting? I do believe I have been slapped!

"It's a Sony"

Me and the boss say that as well, but if you add :mad: to the end, you'd get the feeling we have.

Edit: I was mainly replying to the PC bit, but I finally go tto read the whole article. I am now convinced that the Sony PR department is

a) non-existant
b) permanently sozzled
c) crying themselves to sleep every night over such a thankless job.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

To take a metaphor from VgCats, Sony is like an abusive pimp that beats all his ho's.
But he doesn't care because he knows that despite their complaints, the bitches always come back for more.

[Gigadi]

I still plan to buy a PS3 but after a price drop or two. I want to buy MGS4 and FFXIII when I get there and I don't want to spen a lot of money. I've never been a fanboy, I just grew up with Sony because I didn't have the money to buy every other console. It's not untill about there years ago that I was able to own any system I wasnted and I really don't have to take this disrespect from Sony. I won't be part of their initial five million.

[GunGrave]

it ok k if that happens but the PS3 is still 2 much

[LakiDash]

I am far too poor for this video game buissness anymore.

I thought 360 was going overboard in price, and that makes the PS3 not only overboard, but sinking deep into the ocean, and fast.

I don't care for this Blu-Ray techonology, no matter how pretty it looks. That doesn't interest me.

And If I want motion sensored controllers, I'll go for the people who created it and you know are going to do great things with it.

[Gigadi]

I am far too poor for this video game buissness anymore.

I thought 360 was going overboard in price, and that makes the PS3 not only overboard, but sinking deep into the ocean, and fast.

I don't care for this Blu-Ray techonology, no matter how pretty it looks. That doesn't interest me.

And If I want motion sensored controllers, I'll go for the people who created it and you know are going to do great things with it.

I'm so tired of people complaing about Sony copying the Wii remote. Copying is part of human instinct. If you see something that works use it. No one said anything when everyone copied the N64 rumble feature. Or what about the addition of DVD playback to a console. Copying has always been done and it wil always be there. That's good business, if someone else has something successful then it can work for you as well.

[Lupinthe3rd]

That comment to me was just pure sarcasm.

[Zushio]

No one said anything when everyone copied the N64 rumble feature. Or what about the addition of DVD playback to a console.


Given that you would have been between the ages of 6-8 when that whole fiasco happened I can assure you that yes indeed, people did make an uproar.

[Dain Kinkaide]

I'm so tired of people complaing about Sony copying the Wii remote. Copying is part of human instinct. If you see something that works use it. No one said anything when everyone copied the N64 rumble feature. Or what about the addition of DVD playback to a console. Copying has always been done and it wil always be there. That's good business, if someone else has something successful then it can work for you as well.

It's not so much the copying as the fact that Sony said re: the controller, "This is something we wanted to do 20 years ago."

Yeah. 20 years ago. Back when they weren't making systems. Hell, they hadn't even started making the ill-fated SNES CD... I mean Playstation yet.

[Gigadi]

Given that you would have been between the ages of 6-8 when that whole fiasco happened I can assure you that yes indeed, people did make an uproar.
You got me there. I never really thought about that, it's just that out of all the things people still bring up I never hear that one. But yeah, good job.

[madpierrot]

I'm so tired of people complaing about Sony copying the Wii remote. Copying is part of human instinct. If you see something that works use it. No one said anything when everyone copied the N64 rumble feature. Or what about the addition of DVD playback to a console. Copying has always been done and it wil always be there. That's good business, if someone else has something successful then it can work for you as well.

They didn't copy Wii's remote, they copied microsoft's and logitechs gyroscope sidewinder controller ;) Personally I just believe that Sony's controller was a cheap and poor last ditch attempt to try and counter Nintendo. Or I guess you could say that they copied kirby's tilt and tumble, a gameboy color game, haha.

[Erigion]

I'm so tired of people complaing about Sony copying the Wii remote. Copying is part of human instinct. If you see something that works use it. No one said anything when everyone copied the N64 rumble feature. Or what about the addition of DVD playback to a console. Copying has always been done and it wil always be there. That's good business, if someone else has something successful then it can work for you as well.
Copying things is fine, just do a good job of it. Sony told developers about this brand new feature weeks before E3 and it showed at the Expo. Only one game using it and using it poorly. It looked like Sony was trying to divert attention from the price tag of the PS3 and they did a poor job of it in my mind. Not only is it expensive but Sony is throwing in new features for the sake of throwing in new features.

[Pedro The Hutt]

IF they even got that much of an advance warning. Apparently EA didn't even know about it until the first day of E3. Which is, quite late really. And all the more evidence that it was an emergency afterthought.

[Griveton]

I'm so tired of people complaing about Sony copying the Wii remote. Copying is part of human instinct. If you see something that works use it. No one said anything when everyone copied the N64 rumble feature. Or what about the addition of DVD playback to a console. Copying has always been done and it wil always be there. That's good business, if someone else has something successful then it can work for you as well.

Oh, copying is not the issue here, at least not for me. It's the way it was done.

Sony doesn't really seem to have thought everything thorougly, it was more of an attempt to awe the people who fell in love with the Wii. However, they failed. Their product is frankly underwhelming. The Wii is a much more capable, much more versatile controller, and Sony did the utterly stupid thing in saying stuff didn't work well when Nintendo had done it a long time ago.

The PS3 Dual... Dual is not necessarily a bad piece of equipment, it just feels like a cheap gimmick destined to flash something pretty in the eyes of gamers to rile the masses.

All this without any backup for their controller. Nintendo backed up the controller in their philosophy and in their strategy. The controller is not only integral to the Wii, it is the Wii. This assures us it's gonna be put to good use. Sony? Well, they don't seem to have any vision for it. It's message seems to be more of a "well, it's there, you might come up with something for it".

All this after Sony openly mocked the Wii controller.

Also, from what I'm hearing, the Dual... dual doesn't seem to really have six degrees of freedom (this would mean it can sense linear and angular rotation in every axis, in both directions).

[Zushio]

All this without any backup for their controller. Nintendo backed up the controller in their philosophy and in their strategy. The controller is not only integral to the Wii, it is the Wii. This assures us it's gonna be put to good use. Sony? Well, they don't seem to have any vision for it. It's message seems to be more of a "well, it's there, you might come up with something for it".

This is pretty much Sony standard, I mean look at the list

1. PS2 Modem - Yeah, it's there, not like anyone ever used the damn thing. SOCOM, FFXI, Battlefront games, that's all I can think of. Meanhile, LIVE is available on pretty much every game.

2. PS2 Harddrive - FFXI, Resident Evil Outbreak 1&2 that's it. Proved so "successful" that the last rendition of the PS2 couldn't even use it.

3. Eyetoy - I think every game that used it was a Sony first party venture, except something from Sega I believe. I remember being told that the Eyetoy was the future of gameplay, when all we get are the terrible inhouse games. (Incidentally, does anyone feel that other than God of War and Legend of Dragoon Sony's inhouse team is absolute crap?)

What annoys me the most though, is that for weeks before E3 we kept hearing that the Bananarang is the final design, no questions asked, no chance of revision. It only confirms my theory that Sony lies though thier teeth.

[Griveton]

It only confirms my theory that Sony lies though thier teeth.

Theory?


That's pretty much a veritable truth of the universe.


Still, you do have a point with Sony's track record. As much as I dislike the Playstation series, I do hope they change that, and give good support for the controller. It's hard to envision a console industry without a company like Sony to despise :p

[Zeek]

what an idiot people now won't buy it just to proove him wrong, I wouldn't buy it anyways.

and I'm sorry but what copycats, apperently sony's new controller design was made known to the company two weeks before E3. and they claim it was an original design.