Sony E3 press conference

[madpierrot]

Well from what I've seen and heard it wasn't very good.
- high price $499 for 20gig $599 for 60gig
- low shipment number (2 million for a worldwide launch, better preorder now and pray)
- cheap and poor attempt to try and rip off the Wii's controller
- a game line up that was good, but nothing that will blow people away like some were expecting

With all of this I'd say that Sony and the PS3 didn't have the best showing at E3. I guess it could of been worse, but I don't see how they can leave with their heads held up high after this one.

[GWS923]

The fact that sony has no shame in ripping off rev's controller pisses me off. That and the 500 dollar pricepoint just lost them a buyer.

[Locke]

They are taking a big risk with that price, the Blu-Ray drive is unproven thus far. I think they should have stuck with a DVD system to have a lower price point.

[Tyrdium]

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3) has a picture of the controller, plus good coverage.

Anyway, $500-600 is pretty high. Then again, it does come with WiFi. And Bluetooth. And GigE. And USB. And some really nice rendering hardware. And a hard drive. And Linux. And Blu-Ray. And online functionality. And the ability to play older games in high-def.

In other words, *drool*. But, given that I have a computer for most of that stuff... meh. Better (and cheaper) to get a PS2 and a Revolution.

[madpierrot]

The fact that sony has no shame in ripping off rev's controller pisses me off. That and the 500 dollar pricepoint just lost them a buyer.

It's also the fact that they might try and pass it off like it can do what the Wii's controller can do, but it won't be anywhere near as innovative or effective in playing games.

[Moe]

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3) has a picture of the controller, plus good coverage.

Anyway, $500-600 is pretty high. Then again, it does come with WiFi. And Bluetooth. And GigE. And USB. And some really nice rendering hardware. And a hard drive. And Linux. And Blu-Ray. And online functionality. And the ability to play older games in high-def.

In other words, *drool*. But, given that I have a computer for most of that stuff... meh. Better (and cheaper) to get a PS2 and a Revolution.

i think its just about worth every penny for what its offering... but who says i'm buying it as soon as it comes out... unless i get that job at gamestop... then i will(yey employee discounts!!!)

[Roark]

I noticed this in the Wiki link, under online features:



Commerce:
Shop (accessible from inside games)
Content Download
Micro Payment
Subscription
Entitlement (user access rights) management

Now /pizza can work in every game!

[SonicTHP]

To so blatantly rip off your compitition. It's sad. The conference hurt my heart and my wallet. Sure I'll get a PS3, but not for a number of months after it launches (never trust Sony's first generation units).

If I hadn't been so impressed by the Final Fantasy XIII trailer, I would simply write the system off until MGS4 came out.

[f1rst children]

Anyway, $500-600 is pretty high. Then again, it does come with WiFi. And Bluetooth. And GigE. And USB. And some really nice rendering hardware. And a hard drive. And Linux. And Blu-Ray. And online functionality. And the ability to play older games in high-def.


Just a quick note:

If you want to watch Blu-Ray movies, you NEED to buy the $600 version. The cheaper version does not have an HDMI output, which Blu-Ray requires to output in full high definition - 1080p. The movie/game will downscale to 720p/1080i.

Also, the cheaper version will not have support for Memory Stick/Flash memory cards. Edit: or WiFi

[Ritalin]

The fact that sony has no shame in ripping off rev's controller pisses me off. That and the 500 dollar pricepoint just lost them a buyer.

It's not really ripping it off though. Revolution has motion sensors, the PS3 controller is much simpler by using a gyroscope for detecting tilts. Two different technologies and in use it's a bit different as well. You can see this in the Warhawk demo.

My impressions are mixed. The controller excited me the most. I liked the idea of the Rev controller but its design and add-ons turned me off so this was awesome. Everything else I'm still waiting for. I need to actually use it now to see if I like the console. The only possible down would probably be how this is more of a PC than a console now, but it's only minor to me... developers are telling me otherwise.

For what you're getting in the ps3, $600 is a bargain... technology-wise. It wouldn't have suprised me if it was more. Still getting one, mmmm DMC4.

[Jedinator]

Well I am gonna be spending 500 bucks just for Metal gear Solid 4... oh well.

Dooes anyone know if it is compatable with the PS2 games?

WOW!!! I just looked at the controller and there is like 4 differences, Not good considering the PS2 controller was my least favorite of the old systems. (I cannot believe I just said that they were "old systems")

[Mana]

Ah, the joys of reading.

Dooes anyone know if it is compatable with the PS2 games?

The PlayStation 3 will be compatible with all PlayStation 2 and PlayStation games. In a recent interview Ken Kutaragi stated that backward compatibility will be achieved through a combination of hardware and software.

[Pedro The Hutt]

It's not really ripping it off though. Revolution has motion sensors, the PS3 controller is much simpler by using a gyroscope for detecting tilts. Two different technologies and in use it's a bit different as well. You can see this in the Warhawk demo.
Eh, even though it's not exactly the same, it's a bit too coincidential for it's own good. >.>;;

[Ritalin]

Eh, even though it's not exactly the same, it's a bit too coincidential for it's own good. >.>;;

Its own good? o_o; Not like it's gonna harm it...

Imitation is one of the best forms of admiration. That and we really can't say who had the idea first... Nintendo had a bunch of hype press releases with concepts, nothing official, while sony was pretty silent about official statements and let people go nuts with filling in the blanks.

Although I did think of the revolution at first as well until realizing they behaved differently.

[f1rst children]

Another note: the PS3 controller will not have any rumble/vibration. Sony has said that it interferes with the gyroscope feature. Reports from the show floor indicate a laggy response to the gyro feature, also, in the game it was demoed with - Warhawk.

All in all, Sony's E3 '06 is a worse debacle than the 360's Core/Premium announcement. At least with the Core you could make it a Premium by adding a hard drive. You can't ever make a Core PS3 a Premium - what, are you going to solder on your own HDMI port? Build in your own WiFi and flash memory readers?

To top it off, the spec sheets for PS3 say it's bigger and heavier than the original Xbox.

BTW, how come 360 @ $400 and PS3 @ $500 can't afford to put in built in WiFi, but Revo/Wii can afford it @ $200?

[Moe]

BTW, how come 360 @ $400 and PS3 @ $500 can't afford to put in built in WiFi, but Revo/Wii can afford it @ $200?

b/c the wifi isnt whats costing the PS3 to be a 500 dollar system all the awesome extra stuff is. also wii/revolution is cheaper b/c its abilities/graphics and so on aren't even comparable to that of a 360/PS3 making it less expensive to make.

[jeff--]

I wasn't impressed with what Sony had to offer. Almost everything they told us we already knew it seemed.

[f1rst children]

b/c the wifi isnt whats costing the PS3 to be a 500 dollar system all the awesome extra stuff is. also wii/revolution is cheaper b/c its abilities/graphics and so on aren't even comparable to that of a 360/PS3 making it less expensive to make.

So if the WiFi isn't what's costing the extra $100 to produce a Premium PS3, then why isn't it on the Core PS3? Heck, you can get WiFi built in on a Gameboy. Likewise the hard drive - the difference between manufacturing a 20GB and 60GB hard drive is less than $1.

By the way, Mr. Ken Kutaragi (CEO, Sony Computer Entertainment) said the PS3's $600 price tag was "probably too cheap." This guy could give Bush lessons in arrogance.

Kutaragi: PS3 Too Cheap (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/706/706133p1.html)

[Akimichi Choji]

I would like to assert my role as a major Sony Hater. This just proves to me that Sony deserves to be hated. I mean, come on. I heard about the controller too, I mean, what a rip off. Sony doesn't care about ideas, if it ain't patented there gonna use it. Anywho more power to the Wii and all power to the 360. All X-box fans and Nintendo fanboys, I say we need to form an alliance against the monstrosities that is the PS3 rip off price and controller stealing. Together we can bring down this expensive beast.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

I am genuinely unimpressed with this PS2.5
The price point makes sense from a business sense but shows disregard for consumers. Most importantly, a majority of people won't know that the 20gb version lack more than just HD space and will quite likely end up buying the full-machine again a couple of years down the line.
The pad is dull and uninspiring and the inclusion of gyro was an obvious last-minute attempt to steal thunder from Nintendo. It also lacks the rumble-feature now that Sony lost in the lawsuit.

And for fcuks sake, they turned it black. Now it looks the same as PS2 too!

The only thing interesting in the conference was Singstar and Eyetoy (which card-fans will love).

I'd already told myself I would get all 3 consoles eventually, but now I am no longer in any rush to get a PS3 at launch.

[AqueousMessage]

Its own good? o_o; Not like it's gonna harm it...

Imitation is one of the best forms of admiration. ...

But when is "imitation" taken too far? (http://ps3remote.ytmnsfw.com/) X3

[Ritalin]

So if the WiFi isn't what's costing the extra $100 to produce a Premium PS3, then why isn't it on the Core PS3? Heck, you can get WiFi built in on a Gameboy. Likewise the hard drive - the difference between manufacturing a 20GB and 60GB hard drive is less than $1.

By the way, Mr. Ken Kutaragi (CEO, Sony Computer Entertainment) said the PS3's $600 price tag was "probably too cheap." This guy could give Bush lessons in arrogance.

Kutaragi: PS3 Too Cheap (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/706/706133p1.html)

Well, that's because it is too cheap. Considering just the blu-ray drive itself costs Sony $900, and not including manufacturing costs, it's a bargain price for consumers if they wish to purchase it.

And the 60GB HDD is what the majority of the extra $100 is.

As for the no-rumble/tilt control, dev kits have had it for quite some time. Their controllers always had a heavy spot under the joysticks for it (consumer controller is much, much lighter than a current ps2 controller though) but only Warhawk developed for it for e3. It certainly looks like they got the idea from Nintendo, but I can't be sure because of the dev controllers...

Anyway. It looks like I'm getting the ps3 on launch regardless. It comes with Linux and LB wants to homebrew for it. Fine by me. :D

[UZ_white]

BTW, how come 360 @ $400 and PS3 @ $500 can't afford to put in built in WiFi, but Revo/Wii can afford it @ $200?

Because Sony and Microsoft are *******s.

[Pedro The Hutt]

As for the no-rumble/tilt control, dev kits have had it for quite some time.
Then how come we've heard some developers, such as EA say they literally didn't hear about the Tilt control until the 8th of May, E3s first day?

"Crikey? Our devkits had tilt control? Well I'll be! Silly us". Riiiiiight

And how so "The 60GB is the majority of the added $100"? I can go out and buy a 160GB PC hard drive for those $100. >.>;;

[f1rst children]

Well, that's because it is too cheap. Considering just the blu-ray drive itself costs Sony $900, and not including manufacturing costs, it's a bargain price for consumers if they wish to purchase it.

And the 60GB HDD is what the majority of the extra $100 is.
...
Anyway. It looks like I'm getting the ps3 on launch regardless. It comes with Linux and LB wants to homebrew for it. Fine by me. :D

I thought consoles were supposed to be loss leaders. Sony and MS make their money off licensing fees, not console sales. Anyways, the PS3 is like a Porsche - you might be getting your money's worth, but it's likely to out-price the mass market, which is what Sony needs, both to ensure developer support and keep those royalty fees rolling in. Sony can't afford to be Porsche - it needs to be Toyota.

I wonder how Sony will be handling homebrew on PS3. Their firmware updates for PSP show that they don't like it on their handheld. I wouldn't doubt that their online service will be checking hard drives for "unauthorized" data.

Anyways, I'll probably get one at launch also. Heck, probably 2 or 3 or 5, and throw them all on eBay. Think of it as a 6 month investment of $600 with a minimum return of 100% and more likely in the 150-250% range. Ah, rich, impatient suckers at Christmastime...

[Jedinator]

Because Sony and Microsoft are *******s.



Ok, yes yes yes sony=anus but microsoft is cool.

I personally think that sony is screwing itslef with the very highprices on the concole and games. But then again i am probably wrong considering that the PS3 reservation list is on the 4th page at EB games and Wii is still on page one. people are crazy.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

Its quite funny that until E3, Sony had held the #1 spot without question.
But after this lacking show from them and strong shows from its rivals,
I'm looking forward to seeing a good competition this generation ^_^

Of course, from here on out its all about marketing and Sony are very good at that.

[Griveton]

Well, that's because it is too cheap. Considering just the blu-ray drive itself costs Sony $900, and not including manufacturing costs, it's a bargain price for consumers if they wish to purchase it.


I kind of find that estimate to be hard to swallow. Every single "cost" estimate I've seen seems to take the sum of all the hardware in the PS3 at "current prices" (which usually means several months ago, if not more), and at most, multiply by a fraction. This is a pretty acceptable estimate for the cost of say, a custom PC builder, but for a company like Sony it's not good at all. There's too much to be taken into account when making cost analysis of manufacturing (especially of electronic devices), too many changes and too many unknowns to accurately estimate the cost of a system based only on it's performance.


BTW, did Sony say the $600 system had WiFi integrated, or that it was WiFi ready?

[Dennis]

BTW, did Sony say the $600 system had WiFi integrated, or that it was WiFi ready?
According to my local game shop, that news that on the $600 PS3 was WiFi capable and ready.

[Sage Brushfire]

i was dissapointed with the show that sony had put on for E3, but still we have no idea about finalizations until november, sony may be able to shave some money off the actual price of the console by then based on the response they recieved at E3; all i say is to maybe play a bit of a waiting game on this one I won't be picking a ps3 up from the first shipment (i might not have the money anway ^_^;) but with the list of games being produced for it i will definately be picking it up in the future when the price maybe has dropped a bit or i'll just have to shell out the $600 for it

[Jedinator]

Frankly, I think that this system is not a great idea. Its the most expensive, and IMO the least exciting. But whatever its what sony wants and they have enough fanboys to support them. ( I will admit I really want one for MGS4)

[Zeek]

yeah mgs4 would be a nice thing to have but with the system at the price it's at it'll take me a good month and a half to save up for it and frankly it's not worth that but the game graphics were impressive.

[Senshi]

- high price $499 for 20gig $599 for 60gig

Ah I cant afford one but it still coulda been a helluva lot worse.

[Griveton]

Ah I cant afford one but it still coulda been a helluva lot worse.

It can always be worse. You could live in the UK.

425 Pounds.

That is $800 USD.

[Syner]

I think the price is just ridiculous, I swear i'm gonna smack people who buy the ps3 lol. I mean sure some of the games look fun (mga4, ffxiii (even though XII isn't even out yet lol)

but man not worth the price