Spiderman 3!

[General Suburbia]

Yes, I love the wall-crawler, yes, I loved the movies, and yes, it seems as if Venom is appearing in the new movie. If not this one, then the next. Because unless my eyes decieve me, Spidey's got a new dark suit thing. Not a dark suit thing. The dark suit thing.

http://a.movies.com/i/index/darkspidey.jpg

If you look closely enough, you're supposed to see an image of the green goblin in his eye. I can't see it.

[isolatedotaku]

I can see it, and that image looks uber-f'ning awesome.

And for those of us that put two-and-two together, the font for Spiderman 3 will probably be the font used for the PS4...

Can't wait for this to come out.

[Ninja Realist]

If Venom really did appear in Spiderman 3, I doubt he will, I would have a new found faith in Hollywood.

[mistress #9]

yes their is no reason to watch spidey three without vemon he just rocks and i think they've done enough with the back story....bring on the baddie already.....:trin:

[Javer]

Yes. There can be only one dark suit thing.

Until later, anyway. : (

I'm still waiting to buy Spider-Man 2, for some reason. Probably the worst thing they could do is make the same mistake they did in the first movie, and screw up the villain's murderous mug. I don't care what else he can do -- a guy wearing something that looks like a Halloween witch mask (glitter-painted green) just doesn't inspire fear. :\

[JOJO]

A friend of mine who's more in touch with Spidey news told me that the movie will have 3 villians, one of them will be Venom, Green Goblin 2 and the Sandman

http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/images/tchurch.jpg

I think its Thomas Hayden Chuch who will play the Sandman, and posibly James Franco as the Green Goblin 2.

[General Suburbia]

No such thing as the "Green Goblin 2." You mean the Hobgoblin?

edit: Ar. Owned.

[Kagome654]

No such thing as the "Green Goblin 2." You mean the Hobgoblin?

Green Goblin II is Harry Osborn, there's also a third and a fourth, four Hobgoblins, a Demogoblin and a Grey Goblin. Goblins, goblins, everywhere!

I've heard that Harry may actually be a good guy in the third movie, which would make me exceptionally happy.

[ant]

How will they come up with it without the Secret Wars. The whole reason why Spidey got the black costume was because of that.

[Neo-Hunter]

really like the suit. but who's going to be venom someone has to play venom. I was thinking possibly vin desil or someone new.

[Tremolo]

How will they come up with it without the Secret Wars. The whole reason why Spidey got the black costume was because of that.

Apparently they'll be using the origin from the cartoon where it gets found on an asteroid, the shuttles crashes, Spidey obviously goes to save the day and ends up bonding with it. It worked damn well (the episodes were certainly the best of the generally poor series) and I'm pleased they seem to be using it for the movie.

And yes, I'm looking forward to this a helluva lot - I reckon it'll be the best one yet. Shame we have to wait so long.

but who's going to be venom someone has to play venom. I was thinking possibly vin desil or someone new.

Topher Grace is playing Eddie Brock/Venom.

I think its Thomas Hayden Chuch who will play the Sandman, and posibly James Franco as the Green Goblin 2.

You think? He's right there in the picture you posted, man! :XD:

And yeah, Spidey 2 pretty much set up Harry as Green Goblin 2. I can't imagine who else it would be.

[Ninja Realist]

Wow, so they really are making a movie with Venom as a villain. Sure Sandman was an awesome billain too, but he was never as epic or just totally sinister as venom was. Venom is the quintessential Spiderman Villain, and yet I always had this sinking feeling that there would never be a movie featuring him. One of the reasons is purely that, I have no idea how one would make Venom look real. He had such a bizarre, fluid looking, appearance. But then speciall effects nowadays are really incredible. Also, Venom has such a massive story that I don't see how they could fit it into one movie, especially if Sandman and Green Goblin 2 are also in the movie.

But regardless of my doubts, I am totally psyched. The alien symbiote arc was always my favorite arc of the Spiderman Saga. I am totally amazed that a company such as Sony could make such a good decision, even if it is a mindlessly simple one.

[Senshi]

Topher Grace is playing Eddie Brock/Venom.

Wait a minute... Isnt Topher Grace that really skinny dude from that 70's show? And isnt Venom supposed to be like all steroid'd up and super buff?

I could see Topher Grace as Carnage... but Venom?

[Pedro The Hutt]

Calm down you guys, nothing has been confirmed yet. o.o;; If anything Spidey is going even more Emo with this new black suit.

[Ninja Realist]

Wait a minute... Isnt Topher Grace that really skinny dude from that 70's show? And isnt Venom supposed to be like all steroid'd up and super buff?

I could see Topher Grace as Carnage... but Venom?

Naw, Venom is buff, sure, but is Eddie Brock? He doesn't have to be depicted that way. Besides which, actors can buff up for movies.

[Ghostmaster]

Harry Osborn becomes the Green Goblin when his father dies the Hobgoblin is a different person. I'm still gonna go see this I hope Venom does appear cause he rocks. I cna't really see the Green Goblin in his eye though.

[Drake]

is this all speculation or is it official?

i personally hope for venom but harry osbourne as green goblin and good guy.....thats just wrong.

[soundchazer]

Naw, Venom is buff, sure, but is Eddie Brock?

Actually part of the reason Venom looks buff is because of Eddie Brock. In the comic book, (Amazing Spider Man 300 to be precise), we see Brock going from failed journalist to Weightlifting junkie in an attempt to get rid of his frustrations for being discredited by Peter Parker, when he gave a false lead on the identity of the Sin Eater.

This is why Peter Parker's version of the black suit was never as bulky as Brock's.

Having said that, given the fact that the alien symbiote can actual shapeshift, I would actually find humorous to see a really skinny dude become this incredibly buffed beast. In fact, I think from a movie perspective it works MUCH better this way.

[LakiDash]

Hahaha Eric Foreman as Venom.

Rich.

[General Suburbia]

Naw, Venom is buff, sure, but is Eddie Brock? He doesn't have to be depicted that way. Besides which, actors can buff up for movies.
Case in point: Christian Bale weighed less than 80 lbs when he signed up for the Batman role in Batman Begins.

And of course there was the really skinny Toby, he was pretty much skin and bones before the Spiderman movies.

[soundchazer]

Case in point: Christian Bale weighed less than 80 lbs when he signed up for the Batman role in Batman Begins.

And of course there was the really skinny Toby, he was pretty much skin and bones before the Spiderman movies.

Christian Bale is a bad example. The only reason he was 80 lbs is because he was working in The Machinist, in which he depicted a really worn out man. If you see him in several of his other movies (e.g.American Psycho) you will see that he is usually buffed.

Toby, on the other hand, is a better example, although he is nowhere near as buff as Bale, nor does his character require it. I just can't see Topher Grace being able to buff up THAT much.

[f1rst children]

So where's Black Cat? From the movies, you'd think Mary Jane and Aunt May were the only two females in all of NYC.

Hahaha Eric Foreman as Venom.

Rich.


You know what is demanded now - Kurtwood Smith as the voice of the symbiote!

"It isss ussselessss to resssissst, dumbassss!"

Anyways, it's good to get these B-list villains like Green Goblin, Doc Ock, and Venom out of the way early. That means the films can ramp up to the true, epic Spidey villains, like:

The Walrus! He has the proportionate strength, speed and agility of a walrus!
Of course, a walrus is bigger than a person, meaning that he is a less formidable adversary than an actual walrus. He used to have a good theme song, too, until Michael Jackson bought the rights to it. However, his partner the White Rabbit (a girl in a bunny suit) seems to be very popular in Japan.

Chtylok! Giant-sized mix of cow and chicken. Nuff said.

[sakura_blossom]

So where's Black Cat? From the movies, you'd think Mary Jane and Aunt May were the only two females in all of NYC.

Well there was that one girl back in the second movie, the blonde girl who lived in the apartment complex where Peter was staying. I don't know, they showed her quite a few times with no doubtedly showing interest in Peter and everything, maybe she'll return in the third movie.

Plus I've heard that Mary Jane dies in the Spider Man series. I don't know if it's true or not.

I'm excited for the new movie, though I heard it won't be released until 2007. Hopefully the movies will keep running strong.

[Mugs]

Actually part of the reason Venom looks buff is because of Eddie Brock. In the comic book, (Amazing Spider Man 300 to be precise), we see Brock going from failed journalist to Weightlifting junkie in an attempt to get rid of his frustrations for being discredited by Peter Parker, when he gave a false lead on the identity of the Sin Eater.

This is why Peter Parker's version of the black suit was never as bulky as Brock's.

Having said that, given the fact that the alien symbiote can actual shapeshift, I would actually find humorous to see a really skinny dude become this incredibly buffed beast. In fact, I think from a movie perspective it works MUCH better this way.

To illustrate what Soundchazer was talking about.

[Erigion]

I believe that Black Cat was written into the first movie but was removed for time reasons.

Gwen Stacy will be in Spider-Man 3. We all know what's gonna happen to her.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

Gwen Stacy won't be in the film because she gets in the way of the PeterxMJ.
And that is a big part of Venom's story.
Gwen is likely to not appear in the films now that P&M are together now.
If she did appear, we'd be in clone-saga territory, and thats messy.

[Pedro The Hutt]

Eh, kind of a pity really, in Spider-man 2 they completely set up the possibility of a side-story with the daughter of his landlord, and then she's suddenly all forgotten about because MJ had to pull a runaway bride, bimbo always gets her way. >.>;;

[Senshi]

To illustrate what Soundchazer was talking about.

yeah that REALLY looks like Topher Grace ;)

if anything looks like Mickey Rourke from Sin City

[Tremolo]

Gwen Stacy won't be in the film because she gets in the way of the PeterxMJ.
And that is a big part of Venom's story.
Gwen is likely to not appear in the films now that P&M are together now.
If she did appear, we'd be in clone-saga territory, and thats messy.

Really? Last I heard Bryce Dallas-Howard had been cast as Gwen, although IMDB says it's "in negotiations". Either way, I'm sure Gwen Stacey will appear in the film in some form or another.

And as for Venom, I'm sure Topher Grace will buff up a bit, but I'm guessing Venom will be a mostly CGI creation (or a combination of suit and CG at least) and as such it doesn't really matter too much.

[NEJI_HYUGA8876]

Really Spiderman 3?!!!!!!!!
Must Be A Great Movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Erigion]

Yar, Gwen Stacy has already been cast and it's pretty much confirmed she's in the movie unless the actress drops dead.

And for all you people screaming that Topher isn't buff enough to play Venom, have you thought about Raimi going with the Ultimate Spiderman version of Venom? Topher fits that character pretty well.

[punkusa20_2001]

I just dont understand how topher was even in consideration for the role.

The only major thing I am worried about is that topher grace's characters all have the same mannerisms, eddie brock was supposed to be a real *******, and I dont think topher can play one, at least not a good one.

[f1rst children]

Gwen Stacy won't be in the film because she gets in the way of the PeterxMJ.
And that is a big part of Venom's story.
Gwen is likely to not appear in the films now that P&M are together now.
If she did appear, we'd be in clone-saga territory, and thats messy.

That can be written around. Peter and MJ were on-off again alot anyways.

And it's not like the movies are lifted from the comics anyways.
*coughOrganicWebShooterscough*

Plus, Gwen Stacy > Mary Jane. In any universe.

Other than that, the main problem is: Where are all of Spidey's one-liners? There were better lines in the video game, voiced by Maguire, than in the movies. Without those quips, during the fights Spidey comes off moody and guilt-driven, like Batman, instead of what he really is, which is a super-powered Bugs Bunny.

[Kagome654]

Plus, Gwen Stacy > Mary Jane. In any universe.


Hehehe, that's a good joke! Imagine, someone actually suggesting that crybaby, daddy's girl, sleeps with Norman Osborn Gwen Stacy is better than MJ...

She is better than MJ in Ultimate, though, but considering the two basically switched traditional roles in that, it's not hard to do.

[Jedinator]

Yes, I love the wall-crawler, yes, I loved the movies, and yes, it seems as if Venom is appearing in the new movie. If not this one, then the next. Because unless my eyes decieve me, Spidey's got a new dark suit thing. Not a dark suit thing. The dark suit thing.

http://a.movies.com/i/index/darkspidey.jpg

If you look closely enough, you're supposed to see an image of the green goblin in his eye. I can't see it.

Yeah im not sure if that is a dark suit or just that its really dark and gray where he is. Cool picture though. Im excited.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

The reflections in spiderman's shiney eyes have been almost a tradition in these films so I wouldn't be suprised to see the future in them :)

[Ghostmaster]

Wait is Gwen Stacy the Black Cat or whatever and is she really in the film? Cause thats a whole other storyline and another part in peter's life in the comic books and in the old cartoon show.

[Tremolo]

Wait is Gwen Stacy the Black Cat or whatever and is she really in the film? Cause thats a whole other storyline and another part in peter's life in the comic books and in the old cartoon show.

No, Black Cat is Felicia Hardy. To be honest, I don't really care if she's in the movies or not, I never liked her all that much anyway.

Hehehe, that's a good joke! Imagine, someone actually suggesting that crybaby, daddy's girl, sleeps with Norman Osborn Gwen Stacy is better than MJ...

I have to agree there. Of course, if Bryce Dallas-Howard is playing her in the movie I'll be incredibly biased because I find her far more attractive than Kirsten Dunst. :XD:

[f1rst children]

Hehehe, that's a good joke! Imagine, someone actually suggesting that crybaby, daddy's girl, sleeps with Norman Osborn Gwen Stacy is better than MJ...

She is better than MJ in Ultimate, though, but considering the two basically switched traditional roles in that, it's not hard to do.
Bah, MJ is just Spidey's rebound chick after Gwen died. :O

That whole post-mortem, kids with Norman Osborne deal was such a hack job to grab eyeballs. It's like these tabloid historians today who put out papers on how Jesus was gay and Abraham Lincoln owned slaves and the Air Force shot missiles into the WTC on 9/11. I'll be happy when that nonsense gets retconned away.

Besides, look how much better Spidey's life would be if he was with Gwen. He'd be a rich and famous pro wrestler, he'd own Oscorp, Uncle Ben would be alive, etc. He'd be in a much better position to protect his loved ones, not just with spider abilities, but with real, tangible power. Wouldn't the world be better served to have a Kingpin or Lex Luthor, but on the side of good, to counteract evil people with power?

I will say, though, that I'm willing to accept MJ if that's the only route to SpiderGirl. If that's the case, then I'm for MJ, albeit reluctantly. Of course, that also means I'm for things like Bruce Wayne's parents getting murdered in an alley, so...

[Kagome654]

Besides, look how much better Spidey's life would be if he was with Gwen. He'd be a rich and famous pro wrestler, he'd own Oscorp, Uncle Ben would be alive, etc. He'd be in a much better position to protect his loved ones, not just with spider abilities, but with real, tangible power. Wouldn't the world be better served to have a Kingpin or Lex Luthor, but on the side of good, to counteract evil people with power?


Only if you go by House of M, if you go by the 'What If...?' put out in the 80's Peter saving and marrying Gwen lead to his identity being known, his wedding being crashed by the police and his Aunt May dying of a heart attack out of shock.

I'll gladly ignore the Goblin Babies

Bah, the Gwen vs Mary Jane debate is infamous in the Spidey fandom, and it will probably be waged forever. I'm sorry for taking a bit of a jab at Gwen, I say we should just agree to disagree and both quietly go on thinking we're right and the other person is wrong....:spidey:

[f1rst children]

Fair enough. This was all starting to get pretty OT anyways.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

This movie (all movies, really) needs more Bruce Campbell!

[soundchazer]

Fair enough. This was all starting to get pretty OT anyways.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

This movie (all movies, really) needs more Bruce Campbell!

and more cowbell too. ;)

Anyway, a tidbit of information:

From day one, Stan Lee was planning to make MJ Spidey's GF and Gwen was always meant to be cannon fodder.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

If Bruce Campbell was a Spidey Villain, who would he be? :D

[Pedro The Hutt]

Mysterio. ;o He'd defeat Spidey with his stunning wit.

[Ghostmaster]

If there going to have Venom then I agree with whoever said Mickey Rourke or even though I don't like him, possibly Vin Diesel, but he would be bad. I can't think of any other buff guys that would fit the role. Definately not Topher Grace I don't know where anyone heard that.

[Trunks lover]

WOW!!! When does spidey 3 come out any way??

[RuKiAsShAdOw]

to all of you, yes Venom will appear in Spiderman 3. there are numerous sites with news/info about the cast and villains that will appear including Topher Grace(Eric from That 70's Show) as Sandman NOT Venom :: puts hands together and thanks God ::
and i believe Thomas Haden Church will be Eddie Brock/Venom
Im not 100% on this, just going off of what i saw/read and it appears that the source i got this from is different from the others in that they have Church and Grace's roles switched. please, any confirmation is appreciated

[Tremolo]

to all of you, yes Venom will appear in Spiderman 3. there are numerous sites with news/info about the cast and villains that will appear including Topher Grace(Eric from That 70's Show) as Sandman NOT Venom :: puts hands together and thanks God ::
and i believe Thomas Haden Church will be Eddie Brock/Venom
Im not 100% on this, just going off of what i saw/read and it appears that the source i got this from is different from the others in that they have Church and Grace's roles switched. please, any confirmation is appreciated

The source is retarded.

http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/images/tchurch.jpg
^ That's goddamn Sandman, yo. Played by Thomas Hayden-Church.

[soundchazer]

to all of you, yes Venom will appear in Spiderman 3. there are numerous sites with news/info about the cast and villains that will appear including Topher Grace(Eric from That 70's Show) as Sandman NOT Venom :: puts hands together and thanks God ::
and i believe Thomas Haden Church will be Eddie Brock/Venom
Im not 100% on this, just going off of what i saw/read and it appears that the source i got this from is different from the others in that they have Church and Grace's roles switched. please, any confirmation is appreciated

I beg to differ:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/

Thomas Haden Church .... Flint Marko/Sandman

[Ghostmaster]

I beg to differ:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/

Thomas Haden Church .... Flint Marko/Sandman
It does on imdb say Topher Grace, but with nothing next to it, how could they even think of casting him as venom if Venom's in it?

[Pedro The Hutt]

Let's stress that "IF" won't we? I still think that Venom won't be in it since we'd spend half the movie introducing the symbiote, having Spidey have it for a while and yadayada, it wouldn't be much fun.

[Senshi]

Yeah we dont know that Venom is in it... Maybe just the symbiote is and Spiderman 4 has Venom... who knows?

cause that poster or whatever it is definitely looks like a movie version of the symbiote costume

[RuKiAsShAdOw]

ok, well i didnt expect the damn profanities at me and calling me retarded and such, but thanks for correcting me. and btw, that poster? his costume looks the same as in the previous movies. thats just a very darkly done-over b&w picture. and the web lines, etc. are NOT on the alien costume. its purely black with the large white spider stretched across his chest and back. cant believe i had to explain that.

[Senshi]

ok, well i didnt expect the damn profanities at me and calling me retarded and such, but thanks for correcting me. and btw, that poster? his costume looks the same as in the previous movies. thats just a very darkly done-over b&w picture. and the web lines, etc. are NOT on the alien costume. its purely black with the large white spider stretched across his chest and back. cant believe i had to explain that.

He wasnt calling you retarded... he was calling your source retarded... unless you are your source then he was calling you retarded...

As for the costume... That is not a black and white picture... its a black suit: http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/

this is the official spiderman movie site... it clearly states that it is a black suit in big bold letters.

but as for Topher Grace, I really think he is Carnage, cause after reading some things it seems like Raimi may be going that route instead of with Venom...

Like when I think about it, Topher Grace COULD play Eddie Brock like if he buffed up and whatnot... but why go through all that trouble so that that Topher Grace can sorta play a good Eddie Brock...

Now when you think about Carnage and his character, Topher would be PERFECT as Cletus Cassidy - a crazed whiny psychopath...

[JaQuais J.]

If S3 has "Venom", do you think he will be like "The Thing" from "Fantastic 4" or entirely computer generated like "The Hulk".

[Senshi]

If S3 has "Venom", do you think he will be like "The Thing" from "Fantastic 4" or entirely computer generated like "The Hulk".

Probably Venom would be like a combination of suit and CG effects... like when Venom is just walkin around and stuff there is a suit thing and when the symbiote is "acting up" it would be CG...

But carnage would probably be pure CG since its body is like constantly swirlin' around and stuff...

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

The CG effect for a symbiotic suit can look really good. Spawn is an early example and that was made years ago. If you have Underworld Evolution as a gauge of the standard of today's CG then you can see we could be in for a fine treat :D

Now that you mention it, Topher does seem more suited for Carnage, but Venom must always come first ^_^

[Senshi]

Now that you mention it, Topher does seem more suited for Carnage, but Venom must always come first ^_^

See thats the thing, you dont know what Sam Raimi is changing... I think I read somewhere how Sam Raimi hates Venom, so he might not put him in at all...

But the thing about Carnage is that yeah, he was basically "Venom's son" but thats not the whole story... He was really "the symbiote's" son... So in theory, you could work Carnage in with just the symbiote...

But yeah this is just speculation, and I cant really see how you can have Carnage without Venom either...

Also, we dont know how big of a role Topher has... after all we already know green goblin 2 is in the movie, as well as Sandman... maybe hes just playing Cletus Kassidy, psychopathic killer who gets stopped by Spider-man to become Carnage later... I donno just spitballin' here

[Scoot]

Bearing in mind that the film will most probably edit at around 130 minutes and will be aimed at a mass audience of a certain level of knowledge, I think it must be possible to decide on a most likely option - there is not going to be a great deal of screen time available to set up complex back stories, especially since I doubt Raimi would opt for a narrative.

[RuKiAsShAdOw]

ok, back to the "black costume", THE alien costume does not in any way resemble Spidey's original red/blue costume with the web design. now i guess Raimi might change it to make it resemble the original spidey outfit, but then whats to stop him from completely redoing the symbiote story? so hes going to cut out Venom? how can you jump straight from spidey wearing the alien costume to Carnage? that to me is just crapping on the storyline. if this occurs it will upset the majority of Spidey fans like myself.
BTW the Carnage symbiote is Venom's symbiote's offspring, which bonded to Cletus Cassidy while him and Eddie Brock were in prison together. bearing the amount of backstory required to even get some degree of accuracy on the story of the alien symbiote in mind, i doubt Raimi will go as far as including Carnage in the next movie because i think even he has enough sense to keep Spidey fans in his movie audience if indeed there will be a fourth part.

[General Suburbia]

ok, back to the "black costume", THE alien costume does not in any way resemble Spidey's original red/blue costume with the web design. now i guess Raimi might change it to make it resemble the original spidey outfit, but then whats to stop him from completely redoing the symbiote story? so hes going to cut out Venom? how can you jump straight from spidey wearing the alien costume to Carnage? that to me is just crapping on the storyline. if this occurs it will upset the majority of Spidey fans like myself.
BTW the Carnage symbiote is Venom's symbiote's offspring, which bonded to Cletus Cassidy while him and Eddie Brock were in prison together. bearing the amount of backstory required to even get some degree of accuracy on the story of the alien symbiote in mind, i doubt Raimi will go as far as including Carnage in the next movie because i think even he has enough sense to keep Spidey fans in his movie audience if indeed there will be a fourth part.
And thank you for the extensive summary of what everyone already said so far.

If it's done well, I don't mind Raimi changing the original story and tweaking it in places. He's already done it in the first two movies, and it was much more effective for the movie than if he had just stuck to the original.

We all know what happens when a director decides to create an exact movie-based version of another book. Harry Potter, anyone? (at least the first two.)

[Senshi]

OK HERE IS THE DEAL! I FIGURED IT OUT!

After doing some investigating, its obvious that Sam Raimi is not following the original Spider-man storyline (which honestly gets pretty convoluted at times)...

In actuality hes more than likely following the Ultimate Spider-man storyline (if somebody else figured this out on this thread and I didnt read it props to you)...

But heres the deal... Topher Grace more than likely IS playing Eddie Brock, because in Ultimate Spider-man Eddie Brock is a skinny geeky science guy much like Peter Parker... When Ultimate Brock becomes Ultimate Venom he gets huge muscles (that is more than likely just big masses of symbiote)...

Here is a site with pictures of both Ultimate Venom and Ultimate Eddie Brock: Pictures here. (http://www.angelfire.com/comics/ultimatemarvel/ultimatevenom.html)

This also explains the late appearance of Gwen Stacy... She doesnt appear in Ultimate Spider-man until well after Mary Jane and Peter get together (unlike in the original story where Peter and Gwen Date all through college before MJ and Peter get serious)...

As for the Black Costume without the big white spider - I dont know what Spidey's Black Costume looked like in Ultimate Spider-man, but Venom's doesnt have the huge spider - so it wouldnt really make sense to have Spidey's have the white spider as well... plus with all the CG effects and textures would be kinda lame to have a huge white spider on an otherwise really cool looking all black neatly textured replica of Spidey's original costume...

Here is a good synopsis of the Ultimate Spider-man storyline (from what I think is the ultimate Spider-man website): http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/title/ultimate_spiderman.html

click on "review" for individual synopsis' of each issue...

[Ghostmaster]

So that symbiote suit is that metal suit that he wears right? And before you introduce Carnage you have to introduce Venom. I guess by seeing that picture of Ultimate Venom you're right Topher Grace could play Eddie Brock and have CG Venom when he transforms. This looks like they're going in a whole different direction. I don't remember or just dont know how does Spidey get that suit?

[Tremolo]

Senshi's last post for the everloving win. It makes perfect sense.

Let's not get bogged down in Carnage and stuff just yet - he won't be in this film no matter how much fun it is to speculate. I'd actually bet that Carnage won't appear in the films at all, but that's just me.

I don't remember or just dont know how does Spidey get that suit?

As I said earlier in the thread, it seems likely that they're going with the cartoon origin where the symbiote is found in rock form in a meteorite by Jameson's astronaut son, which makes sense considering how they made a point of introducing him in Spider-Man 2. And it's a good deal less complicated than the whole "Secret Wars" thing to boot. And it can be done in two hours, as the cartoon proved. As I said, the three-part symbiote episode was the best of the bunch.

I hope they keep the whole bell tower thing, too. That was awesome.

In regards as to how Venom will be done, I read somewhere on AintItCool that Topher Grace's costume is essentially a kind of bluescreen suit onto which the Venom stuff will be added with CG in post-production.

EDIT: Wordy McWord @ SC's below post.

[soundchazer]

One thing people don't realize is that the person underneath the Venom visage DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BULKY!!!

Why is it that people LOVE being too anal about stuff like this? Remember, certain aspects of a book/comic book adaptation do NOT have to match the source material verbatim. Some things just do not work in the big screen.

As long as people remain faithful to the escence of the material, who gives a crap if Borck is a scrawny whiney kid? Are you in the movie theater to see Brock? No. You pay to see venom, so it shouldn't matter if Topher Grace or Grace Kelly are playing Brock.

[animesyko]

Naw, Venom is buff, sure, but is Eddie Brock? He doesn't have to be depicted that way. Besides which, actors can buff up for movies.

if you asked that about 5 years ago I would say..lol...arnold :P

[f1rst children]

Why is it that people LOVE being too anal about stuff like this? Remember, certain aspects of a book/comic book adaptation do NOT have to match the source material verbatim. Some things just do not work in the big screen.


I will NEVAR watch Spidey with organic webshooters!!1! He must have the mechanical ones it proves how SMRT he is!! Even though he keeps producing web fluid even though he is a poor HS kid who can't even hold a pizza delivery job!!!

Anyways, the USM theory also fits with Betty Brant being such a minor character.

TANDY BOWEN 4 PREZ!

[Ghostmaster]

Senshi's last post for the everloving win. It makes perfect sense.

Let's not get bogged down in Carnage and stuff just yet - he won't be in this film no matter how much fun it is to speculate. I'd actually bet that Carnage won't appear in the films at all, but that's just me.



As I said earlier in the thread, it seems likely that they're going with the cartoon origin where the symbiote is found in rock form in a meteorite by Jameson's astronaut son, which makes sense considering how they made a point of introducing him in Spider-Man 2. And it's a good deal less complicated than the whole "Secret Wars" thing to boot. And it can be done in two hours, as the cartoon proved. As I said, the three-part symbiote episode was the best of the bunch.

I hope they keep the whole bell tower thing, too. That was awesome.

In regards as to how Venom will be done, I read somewhere on AintItCool that Topher Grace's costume is essentially a kind of bluescreen suit onto which the Venom stuff will be added with CG in post-production.

EDIT: Wordy McWord @ SC's below post.Thank you Trmolo for quoting me as Ghostmistress lol. Anyway I had never seen that three-part episode in the cartoon before. But you're right about how Mary Jane was dating the astronaut son so they can definately bring this whole suit saga thing into it. Question though does the suit give him different abilities or powers or what does it exactly do?

[Kagome654]

Question though does the suit give him different abilities or powers or what does it exactly do?

The suit has a few unique abilities, mainly the ability to change appearance, so Peter can switch from his Spidey costume to 'civilian wear' in a matter of seconds. It also blends into the environment, kinda like a chameleon, at least it could on Brock, I don't remember if Peter ever utilized it like that. I think it also automatically produces webbing on it's own as well. I should know all this, I have the issue where he first gets the black costume, but it's at my parents....

[soundchazer]

The suit has a few unique abilities, mainly the ability to change appearance, so Peter can switch from his Spidey costume to 'civilian wear' in a matter of seconds. It also blends into the environment, kinda like a chameleon, at least it could on Brock, I don't remember if Peter ever utilized it like that. I think it also automatically produces webbing on it's own as well. I should know all this, I have the issue where he first gets the black costume, but it's at my parents....

Symibiotes Natural abilities:

* Super strength
* Superior speed and agility
* Provide protection (from guns or other damage)
* Genetic memory, recalling information from previous hosts.

Symbiotes gained abilities from hosts:

* The ability to transform its mass into clothing
* The ability to form fangs or simple bladed weapons out of their limbs
* The ability to mimic the appearance of anyone, or anything (Venom and Toxin can do this)
* The ability to blend with its surroundings.
* The ability to stick to walls (adopted from Spider-Man)
* The ability to produce unlimited webbing (from its own mass, adopted from Spider-Man)
* The ability to bypass Spider Sense (due to knowing how it works from when Spider-Man was its host)


Wikipedia for the win!

One thing wikipedia fails to mention is that the amount of organic webs is limited when needed in short periods of time. One of the reasons Spidey was able to defeat venom the first time in the comic book is because he kept requiring Brock to use a lot of the webbing, rendering the symbiote weak.

They can also be debilitated by intense bursts of sound and infrared heat blasts.

[RuKiAsShAdOw]

obviously Raimi is NOT following the original Spidey UNIVERSE(i stress UNIVERSE because there is the original universe and the ultimate universe, two very different things). He is also NOT following the Ultimate universe. if you ask me, he seems to be combining elements from both universes as seen with the appearance of Gwen Stacy after Mary Jane(Ultimate) and the appearance of John Jameson as a possible source of the symbiote(original-from the '90s Fox cartoon). I dont know about all of you, but i would personally like to see an original rendition of Venom, with the big, bulky, weight-lifting, journalistic rival of Peter Parker Eddie Brock rather than the Ultimate universe's skinny, nerdy Eddie.

[Sunami 366]

oh my gosh i can't wait til this movie comes out. i just hope that the green gobline wont act so... bleh this time.

[Slagar]

Wow. Awesome suit. Yeah, there's an image of SOMEONE reflecked off the eye. It could be Goblin. Anyways, arn't there 3 villains in the new movie?

[Pedro The Hutt]

The short answer is, no one knows for certain. There's just an awful lot of speculation going on.

[Ghostmaster]

Sounds with that suit hes invinsible. Awesome stuff there like transforming and camoflauge.

[RuKiAsShAdOw]

what?

[General Suburbia]

New news:

Seems as if Spiderman is going to face not three, but FOUR bad guys. No idea who yet though. Any speculations?

[Erigion]

BLACK CAT!

I hope.

[Ghostmaster]

Hobgoblin or Harry as the Green Goblin you knew that would be coming.

[General Suburbia]

Whatever Goblin will appear was already announced as the third villian.

So far, it's Green Goblin, Venom, Sandman, and one unknown.

[sakura_blossom]

Whatever Goblin will appear was already announced as the third villian.

So far, it's Green Goblin, Venom, Sandman, and one unknown.

I'm glad that the three announced are going to be in the next installment of the movie, however, to add a fourth? Isn't that stretching it a little much? I mean the 2nd movie was great and deserved major props for the storyline, effects and choice of villian put into it, but how much are the movie makers going to do?

I'll see Spider-Man 3, but I'm not going to get enthusiastic about its release.

[Pedro The Hutt]

Liiiiizard! They already introduced his character, dammit. >.>;;

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

They didn't really introduce dr.conner, just name-dropped him.
I'm hoping for some CARNAGE :)

[Pedro The Hutt]

You should rewatch Spider-man 2. He scolds Peter for being late all the time. And appeared one or two times more. Sure it's not much, buuut, at least he's been shown.

[(V)]

I dont think thats the color of the cloths it just dark.

[Jedinator]

BLACK CAT!

I hope.
Good choice, she is a babe.

[Erigion]

I dont think thats the color of the cloths it just dark.
If you're talking about the black suit, it's most definately black.

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2006/05/spiderman_3_eddie_brock_and_bl.html

[Kagome654]

Well, if they're going more by Ultimate Spider-Man as others have suggested in this thread they could use the Shocker as a throw away baddie at the start, you know before the credits even finish rolling Spider-Man beats the Shocker and mutters as he swings away 'It seems like everyone has a gimmick these days...'

Course 616 Shocker can be a real threat, but more Ultimate Shocker is a running gag...

Or since they're introducing Gwen Stacy who is to say that they might not modify the story so much that she is the fourth baddie, Gwen Stacy as the Black Cat?

*shrugs*

[Mugs]

The most horrifying fourth villian would be bad writers who unleash a clone saga upon the movie franchise!? Oh the humanity!!!

[General Suburbia]

first teaser trailer out. If you haven't seen it yet, click the link:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/spider-man_3/

edit: nvm, didn't see the existing thread mugs put up.