Honey & Clover = Tasty ^^

[chowk]

Honey & Clover is back, even if it's only for 2 episodes.

Just watched ep 25 (Special Chapter L). Makes me feel like watching the whole series all over again... cannot wait for 26 :)

[aeroshadow]

Honey & Clover is back, even if it's only for 2 episodes.

Just watched ep 25 (Special Chapter L). Makes me feel like watching the whole series all over again... cannot wait for 26 :)...whew! Lots of ROFL moments in this episode... Freashizziking brilliant! They pretty much focused entirely on the comedy this time around, and this episode only reminded me how perfectly they do it... XD

[Kiba]

Acquiring now bitches! I really loved the series. But for me I found episode 24 to be a satisfying ending already so I’m really hoping that these two special episodes aren’t disappointing.

[soundchazer]

Episode L: The first part was brilliant. I love how they were all giddy like highschool girls with a crush. The second part was kind of dull.

[fugupinkeye]

Episode L: The first part was brilliant. I love how they were all giddy like highschool girls with a crush. The second part was kind of dull.

I lost patience with the second part. The first part was brilliant. But by the second part, I was done with the 'extra' or 'filler' feel of the ep, and wanted these last two to speak more to the ending of the series (maybe the last ep will offer more of that).

still, you can't really complain about Ham-Sempai!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rove]

Oh more H&C goodness!! Or so I thought.
This episode is just filler disguised with nostalgia and some jokes really...
The whole story on Ham-sempai was hilarious, but lost it's novelty quickly, the other half about the theme-park was the excuse to make people say "Aww, there's our thoughtful moment on time's past", with a turn to unite the first part of the episode with the last really. It doesn't add nothing new, only one thing to comment which I thought was pure evil...NO YAMADA!!

Let's hope the other special episode gives her a little more screentime (little as in a LOT).

[currywu]

My main beef with the special is that the Fab Five got so little screen time. H&C's humor is great in small doses, but it can't carry an entire episode.

Somewhat off-topic:
I've been dying to learn how to play the piano renditions of "Dramatic" and "Waltz" but as far as I know, they were never released. So I decided to try making midi versions of them. Watching the special finally gave me the push to finish the transcriptions. Check it out:

Dramatic (http://rapidshare.de/files/11397211/dramatic.MID.html)
Waltz (http://rapidshare.de/files/11397224/waltz.MID.html)

[Zee'd]

Wha? There's more of H&C?
*goes acquiring*

Also: currywu. Nice MidIs... The timing of the "piano" is a bit stiff on Waltz, and by the gods how high the pitch is set for Dramatic, but still good...

[Niner]

Eh. Chapter L didn't do anything for me. Sure, Ro-maiya sempai was pretty damned awesome, but it was all just so random. Random can work on occasion, but not for Honey & Clover. And there was almost no Yamada screentime at all, which displeased me greatly, to say the least. This next one better have it in oodles. :|

[ultbaka]

I know a few people have been pushing me to see this anime... Is it REALLY that great? If so, what's the genre?

[Ghostmaster]

It's a slice of life. It's a light anime, but very enjoyable. It revolves around students in college who go to a college art school. You can read more on either www.animenfo.com or http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=4975

[Sorrow-kun]

I know a few people have been pushing me to see this anime... Is it REALLY that great? If so, what's the genre?You're in an 18 page thread about the title in question on an anime review site (that has reviewed the title in question) and you dare to ask this. Why the **** ask this question when there's no shortage of people and literature answering it... on this very site and in this very thread, no less.

[loner]

What Sorrow said, and http://www.animeacademy.com/finalrevdisplay.php?id=546

For all my debate about this review, I think the grade goes a long way in telling you whether you should pick it up or not.

[Kiba]

I could have done without watching Chapter L, their were a few funny moments such as Morita's song about money but other than that I found it to be a complete waste of time. I was kind of hoping for something new, like a better conclusion perhaps. But it seemed like an older episode that was appearently cut from the first half of the series.

[Gigadi]

It was the equal of filler. Hillarious filler that I woudn't mind watching again.

[Akuhei]

The conclusion was a fine conclusion, and they even said that they weren't going to continue any kind of story into these special chapters. Their whole point is to be filler. I found it pretty funny, I agree that it dragged on into the latter half, but the first half was just plain H&C awesomeness.

[Linuts]

The conclusion was a fine conclusion, and they even said that they weren't going to continue any kind of story into these special chapters. Their whole point is to be filler. I found it pretty funny, I agree that it dragged on into the latter half, but the first half was just plain H&C awesomeness.

Geez, take the words right out of my mouth will ya :p.

Really, I didn't expect it to be anymore than a bonus, like all those Mai Hime specials... But without the fanservice and an actual 20 minute episode... And actually fun to watch.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get some meat.

[Dtortot]

I don't tend to like these slice of life animes about lifeAre there slice of life animes about death?

Honey And Clover was annoying couldn't get past episode 3. I started figuring out what the scenes were going to be and how they would occur. I just think there is too much hype on this one.

[ant]

Chapter L works great as a filler because the series was IMO perfect the way it is, it won't hurt the series if it sucked but it didn't. Ro-maiya is the kind of person everyone wants to have has a friend, the end of this episode left me feeling an essence of that.

ant calls his Ro-maiya type friend while eating ham

[Ghostmaster]

Are there slice of life animes about death?

Honey And Clover was annoying couldn't get past episode 3. I started figuring out what the scenes were going to be and how they would occur. I just think there is too much hype on this one.
No I'm saying Honey and Clover is an exception.

[Linuts]

From ANN


Honey and Clover II; Live-Action, Too (2006-03-27 14:20:06)
Shueisha has announced the Honey and Clover II anime will premiere this summer in Japan. Plus, the live-action Honey and Clover film site is now online. Thanks to Vitruvius, Danny, and Wildarmsheero.


Is this true? Is there truly a...a.. God?

[Niner]

:O

MORE YAMADA?! :drool:

This is good. This is very good. :yes:

[aeroshadow]

Is this a dream?

[soundchazer]

I'm moderately optimistic. The producers could really screw it up.

[Kuzu Ryu Sen]

...

I need a drink. A stiff one.

[Tremolo]

Is this true? Is there truly a...a.. God?

There is, and she's mocking me.

MOAR HAGU?! WHY?!


* Tremolo drinks with Kuzu mournfully

[Ghostmaster]

This is gonna be awesome. Just one question about the original cause i have like 2 more episodes left. After 24 there is the special L episode, which I think they call it, is that correct?

[Rove]

After 24 there is the special L episode, whcih I think they call it, is that correct?

Please refer to pages 17 and 18 OF THIS SAME THREAD.

Here, links:

http://www.animeacademy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18993&page=17
(from post 247 onwards)
http://www.animeacademy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18993&page=18

[KiraraKim]

I'm exicted but also worried. I really felt the ending of Honey & Clover was almost perfect. I know the manga is ongoing but I don't want them to drag the series out to the point where it loses what made it special in the first place. Still more Honey & Clover is something to look forward to.

[Linuts]

That's true... H&C did end very well, but like I said ages ago, there are still things left unanswered. Although, that may just end up dragging the series unnecessarily. Hopefully they will make it interesting. I'm wondering if we may actually see a Morita X Yamada pairing, considering how both of their love interests have someone else now.

[mmyy]

Oh great. More Morita please! Am I the only one who felt that there's still so much more to learn about Morita? I hardly know Morita beyond his skin, despite being such an awesome character.

[Ghostmaster]

Anyway I finished the seires yesterday with the extra episode, and this is a really great series. I'm really happy they're making a second series I just hope it can live up to its predecesor. It's definately one fo my favorite shows.

[Daravon]

It's a good thing nobody told me before I started watching it, because I'm glad I did. Such flavor of drama usually puts me off, but for some reason I don't feel bad about having watched it.

I really thought the characters were strong, though. I found the comedy tasteful. I loved the art style. How they managed to blend such dreamy visuals with a few instances of CG was great. And the music was good too.

Plus Yameda is the cutest thing ever. If I lived in H&C universe I'd kill Mayama and steal her.

BTW I heard there are actually 26 episodes. Should I track down the other two?

[soundchazer]

they are OVAs, and a second series is going to follow soon. The OVA that has been released is nothing to write home about. Just filler.

[Gigadi]

they are OVAs, and a second series is going to follow soon. The OVA that has been released is nothing to write home about. Just filler.
It may be filler, but if you're a fan ot the series it's great to see the characters indulge in hillarious antics once again. I've seen the first one and it was a complete laugh fest.

[Ghostmaster]

It may be filler, but if you're a fan ot the series it's great to see the characters indulge in hillarious antics once again. I've seen the first one and it was a complete laugh fest.
I only saw thye first OVA, I don't think the other one has been released. I didn't like it as much as the series as a whole, but like evryone said it's a filler, so i guess you should check it out.

[KiraraKim]

I loved the series but I hated the OVAS. I found them ridiculous not funny. And this is coming from a person who liked that comedy in the series more than the drama overall.

[Niner]

Finally, someone else that likes Honey & Clover for what it's supposed to be without getting hung up on the stupid little things about it. Good for you! :>

And Yamada is totally ftw.

[Javer]

Maybe so, but just because a series is supposed to be something doesn't mean it is.

[JOJO]

I saw the series recently and i enjoyed every moment of it(specially episode 8), it has the perfect balance of comedy and drama. The only thing i didnt actually liked was that the final episodes focused a little too much on only one character, and also Hagu's ocasional "Princess Leia" hairstyle.
It was also a little too open ended but thats not enought to ruin this series, specially since I've been hearing that a sequel will be premiering this summer in Japan.

[Linuts]

Aaaand.... A month later...

Live Action cast revealed!

http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/hachikuro_liveaction_promopics.html

I still think Hagu isn't pedolicios enough though :p.

[Sage Brushfire]

I remember when I first found this show and immediately fell in love with it, the art style, characters, and the perfect mix of drama and comedy. The first 24 hour episodes were awsome and the ending which I won;t mention here left me with a feeling of everything comeing full circle, as for the last two episodes the ova's (i still ahven;t seen 26) while yes they are fillers i found amusing and while they don;t quite live up to the standard set forth in the original series they are definately worth watching just for the comedic value it holds.

Definately recomend it to anyone looking to a slice of life-ish anime but still have a craving for a few crazy hijinks

[soundchazer]

The last OVA (Episode F) was actually much better than the first OVA. The references to Mazinger Z, Saint Seiya and Lupin III were very funny.

[Rove]

Special Episode F (f for finally?) released!

Finally the last special episode was released, and it was far better than the first (or it had a bit -still not enough- more Yamada, which is basically the same...on the downside, it had less Morita).

This episode is divided in two parts: one focusing on the architecture company before Mayama joined and how Miwako and Yamazaki's "relationship" started. Funny, but not hilarious funny. The second part deals more with the college art students and group dating, and random stuff. However, this half had 4 great ROFL moments:
-Yamazaki...and Miwako's evilness
-Girls with modified voice-over to hide their identity
-Lupin III parody [insert Lupin always looked better in green comment here]
-Saint Seiya parody

Those three moments were pure gold to me.

On the other hand, this episode had a tiny bit more relevance to the 'big' story than Special Ep L, since this one gives a new twist to a previous scene from the series. As a whole, it was much better than the other special episode, but it had its dull moments as well.

EDIT: By the time I started writing this post I had not seen SC's post back in the other H&C thread.

[Mana]

I merged the other thread into this one, in hopes of avoiding some confusion. So, if some of the posts feel a bit off, that's why.

[Akuhei]

Mana, this merging of the threads both confuses and INFURIATES ME!! ;D <3

I enjoyed the second OVA alot more, it was nice seeing some more Honey and Clover, I felt a giant wave of nostalgia rush over me as soon as I heard the opening theme. <3 HachiKuro

[Ghostmaster]

The second OVA I agree was definately much better than the other one because it actually connected with the story. The other one was just a bunch of randomness. Funny and good Honey and Clover goodness.

[ant]

Not sure if someone wants to make a season 2 thread but I will post in here.

Honey and Clover season two starts off with the scene where everyone is looking for the 4 leaf clover from the first season. OP, well if you didn't like the OP for the first season then you will probably not like this one either. Then just when you think the episode will continue after episode 24 it doesn't. Basically it is just a recap of the entire first season. I was still moved because of the final arc from the first season, but there is nothing new here save for OP, ED, and someone gets a drivers license

[Gigadi]

Has it aired yet? I thought it was next Thursday.

[Rove]

Has it aired yet? I thought it was next Thursday.
http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/hachikuro2_ep1.html

Enough proof?

[Gigadi]

http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/hachikuro2_ep1.html

Enough proof?

Oh foo, I guess I'll have to skip this episode considering I watched the series 6 times already. Well I might just tune in for the new scenes. This fanboyism is killing me on the inside.

[Ghostmaster]

Oh awesome I didn't know it started either. Got to get on that.

[Kuzu Ryu Sen]

http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/hachikuro2_ep1.html

Enough proof?

I can taste the vomit already.

[Gigadi]

Ah, season 2. I just watched episode 1 and that may have been the worse recap I've ever seen. If I hadn't watched the first season, I would have absolutly no idea of what happaned during the first 2/3 of the show. A lot of the characters were barely mentioned so in total that was almost a complete waste. The new OP did nothing for considering I'm no Yuki fan and the ending was extremly forgetable, unlike Waltz. Anywho, I'm super pumper for the next 12 non recap episodes.

Just incase you haven't watched, the new scenes they added are definatly not worth the viewing of the entire episode.

[KiraraKim]

The recap episode was completely pointless. I think it wasn't even a good rundown for new fans. Oh well it's over and I am going to view next week's episode as the real first episode of the second season.

[Major Tom]

So, are we going to combine the Honey and Clover II discussion in with this one instead of starting a new thread?

I haven't seen it yet.....ah what the heck, the fanboi in me can't lose in this case. I'm going to get ep.1 no matter how crap it is. Let's just hope the rest is made of win and gold like the last one.

Edit:
Decided to edit this post rather than do a new one.

Anyways, This episode wasn't that bad, it did the job of jogging the old memory juices. However, that is coming from someone who has seen series one, and remembers what happened. Not the best of recaps, but OK.

If I look at it from someone new to the show, well, that's a different story. The editing job was rather haphazard, jumping all over the place and not giving much information. I would think that someone new to the series would be going 'WTF?' by the end of it.

So overall, not the best of starts, lets just hope they do better next episode.

I did enjoy the new OP song, YUKI's voice has a particular uniqueness that seems to appeal to me. The ED song was quality as well, but I didn't like it as much a waltz.

[Tsukushi]

Just saw the second episode of H&CII. It was very enjoyable - specially compared to the first episode (even though I was so glad to see anything of H&C again!). The animation was good, and the story was once again funny and touching. I'm also really starting to enjoy the new themes, particularily the ending theme by SuneoHair.

[Niner]

Same old, same old. Theme song is still for the lose, though not as much as the original OP. Takemoto still has the hots for Hagu, Yamada for Mayama, Mayama for Rika. Bah.

Stupid Mayama.

[Major Tom]

Niner, are you a masochist or something? I do believe you've made your feelings about this franchise known, yet you are still watching it? Oh, it hurts, but it hurts so good..........:p

Anyways, a vast improvement over episode one, kicking off right where we left off in series one.

[loner]

Actually, Niner likes H&C, or rather Yamada "Hot Legs". It's soh, DH, Erigion, Tremolo and Kuzu who hate it.

[KiraraKim]

I enjoyed the second episode, loved the third. Yamada and Nomiya for the win. Now if only Yamada can get over Mayama things would be perfect. :)

[Tsukushi]

Very nice third episode - I like where the story is going. Is it just me or is the animation in this epi not that wonderful?....

[ant]

Very nice third episode - I like where the story is going.

As do I, however the way the unicorns were animated made me think highly of this episode. They may actually tie up all the loose ends from the 1st season with these 13 episodes...I hope!

[Kuzu Ryu Sen]

I foresee a disgusting love triangle now. Either that or Yamada whining about her emotional dilemma for 6 episodes.

[Sashi-senpai]

I <3'd Honey & Clover. It drop kicked Haibane Renmei and Twin Spica out of my favorite anime spot. D:

[Ghostmaster]

I really like Honey and Clover II. Just finished the 3rd episode. I like where they're going with Yamada and Nomiya.That whole love triangle. I hope we get to see more of Takemoto and Guu.

[Major Tom]

Interesting episode. Now Yamada is in a real bind. Mayama's not interested, but Nomiya is.......and it looks like she loves both of them.

But I am far more interested, and a little concerned, at Rika's comment on Harada's last design. Maybe some dark days are ahead for the H&C crew.

[Tsukushi]

Episode 4. Definitly the best until now in this season. Totally heart-wrenching and tragic. I do like Shuuji/Rika/Harada(/Mayama)'s story. The animation is good in this epi too.

[KiraraKim]

I don't really like Mayama/Rika so this episode didn't appeal to me much. Although Mayama reasons's for going through all of Rika's personal stuff might have been good he still came off as a stalker to me.

I did find the scenes between Shuu and Rika very touching though.

Next week's episode looks a lot more promising (more Yamada and Nomiya yay) but I am wondering what has happened to Morita and Takemoto (unless the second half of the series is going to focus on them).

[Niner]

...

Mayama is completely batshit.

[Kuzu Ryu Sen]

I think the world just ended.

An actual good, nay, excellent episode of Honey and Clover.

Good god, the plot moved, the characters fleshed out, there was actual emotion!

... they can't keep this up. No sir.

Oh, and good on Mayama for growing a pair.

[soundchazer]

KuzuRyuSen... the world needs more people like you to make me appreciate anime like H&C and Suzumiya even more. The more you hate it, the more I love it ;)

[Kuzu Ryu Sen]

Then it all works, doesn't it? We both get what we want. Although... if I start enjoying H&CII from now on based on this episode, does that work in reverse?

[soundchazer]

Then it all works, doesn't it? We both get what we want. Although... if I start enjoying H&CII from now on based on this episode, does that work in reverse?

Well... that would be a BIG "if", wouldn't it?

Fat chance of that happening, really.

[Kuzu Ryu Sen]

Well... that would be a BIG "if", wouldn't it?

Fat chance of that happening, really.

Aren't you ever the optimist. Never say never, especially if they can build on this episode.

[Tsukushi]

Have any of you seen episode 7?? That ending shot gave me chills. I havn't read the manga, so I have no idea what just happened there.... Anyway, the series is definitely becoming more and more tragic. I do enjoy the episodes very much, could do with a little more humour though....

[aeroshadow]

I hate cliffhangers. They freaking blow.

This was a very touching episode, by the way. This second season is still going strong. I think I might even like it more than the first.

[KiraraKim]

I am not sure if anyone was aware but Kamiya Hiroshi (The seiyuu who plays Takemoto) was in a very serious traffic accident on August 7th. He has since woken up but he was unconscious and in critical condition for over 2-days. Frankly I am not sure what his current condition is. I also don’t know how this is going to effect later episodes of the show if the series is not done recording yet (it might have already finished recording since it is only 12 episodes). Still the most important thing is it does look like Kamiya is going to pull through this.

As for episode 7, it was nice to finally learn more about Morita and his brother.

[Akuhei]

I hope we get to see more of Takemoto and Guu.

I should probably stab you for saying that... remind me next time I see you.

The ending shot in episode 7 made me very very angry... hopefully it's not what I think, although the title of the next episode seems to hint that it is.

I didn't hear that about Kamiya Hiroshi... hopefully he'll make a full recovery.

[Ieyasu]

The second series outclasses the first.

The opening theme is better than the first series' and the ending theme is just as good as Waltz. The focus (at least so far) has been more on actual events and less on internal monolouge. While I did enjoy the internal monologues of the first series, I find myself enjoying the balance of the second series far more.
I'm just sad the manga finished so we don't have anymore series to look forward to.

Episode Seven was the best episode in the second series so far and even better than Episode Six of the first. Not only did we get some serious development for the Morita family, but we got to see Tatsuo Negishi's story which (in my opinion) was the most heartbreaking of any we've seen so far. I don't mind admitting I almost cried.

Hagu isn't dead. I won't believe it unless I see it.

[Liegenschonheit]

OMG, if Hagu is dead, then this show automatically gets more points in my book. She is literally most annoying character in an anime EVER, as far as I am concerned. I'd love it if she were killed off.

[Ieyasu]

You, Madame, have no heart T_T

[Kuzu Ryu Sen]

Nah. I too would wish for the death of an annoying little rat that just whined and acted like a 4 year old for years. Seriously, what good has actually come out of Hagu throughout the series? All she's done is act childish and recieve Morita and Takemoto's affections (damn lolicons). Yes, she has talent, no, she doesn't like pressure. We get it already.

[Ieyasu]

Spoiler it gawdamnit.

She has shown signs of maturity. But it's pointless trying to convince you so I won't.

[Kuzu Ryu Sen]

Well, go for it anyway. At least you can say that you gave it the old college try then.

[KiraraKim]

Unless the anime is different from the manga...which I doubt since it's been pretty much same up to this point

I can assure and disappoint some that Hagu does not die.


She has shown signs of maturity. But it's pointless trying to convince you so I won't.

She has, although she has regressed at points too. Hagu is not my favorite character at all and she annoyed me a lot at first too but the fact is she is not just a cute, talented college-aged girl. She really does have a problem. That problem is what makes her realistic to me. In the end she isn't the same character she was in the beginning but most likely she is never going to be able to be completely independent. True this is not a good thing but in some ways I admire the anime for not solving everything for its herione. But then again Hagu is not a heroine, she is meant to represent a real person and in real life everyone's problems are not solved.

[Major Tom]

Well, I did something I've never done before today. After hearing stuff about this episode (and after absent-mindedly highlighting the first couple of words of Liegonschonheit's spoiler), I decided to watch this during my lunch break.

I really like this episode. We finally get to see why Morita keeps disappearing every now and then, and the driving force behind his brother. Interestingly enough, I got the sense that Shinobou took his fathers words to heart, and doesn't hold anything particular against Negishi or Floyd Electric. He never really seemed all that fussed about the jobs his brother was sending him on.

His brother, on the other hand, is carrying on his father's grudge (is their father still alive?), and I guess a hostile takeover of Floyd Electric is his ultimate goal, in order to restore his father's inventions to their rightful owner.

I am also very interested in what has happened to Hagu. Of course the previews are very vague, so it could be an accident.....but I have noticed her getting rather depressed over the course of this series.....so a could a suicide attempt be on the cards?

On the Hagu note, I've always liked her character, mainly cause I can relate to her in ways. She has problems with relating to people and making friends....mainly because of her upbringing, I suppose. Like Kirakim, I've always seen her as more than just your average cute character....but I like her anyways.

[Lupin the 3rd]

Episode 7 was indeed a great episode for theseries. But my main concern is if Morita and Shinobou father is still alive? This has been concerning me after seeing this episode.


Also Hagu never really bothered me. I find her as an intresting character that been slowly maturing through out this series.

I can't wait for episode 8!

[Tsukushi]

Ah, episode 8 finally came out. I was going insane. Once again a great episode. I really like where the story is going. It's getting more and more tragic along the way.... (except for Mayama's/Rika's/funny spanish guy's story which is the only one with a little humour in it for the moment).

[Major Tom]

Just finished ep.8. Well, not entirely true, I finished it about 20 minutes ago, my piece of crap connection took that long to actually get to this bit of the forum.

Very interesting. I was waaayyyy off base with the suicide (though with this development that could still be on the cards). It is going to be highly interesting to see what happens with Hagu, or to be more precise, how she deals with it. How someone who lives through their fingers is faced with suddenly losing them, all she knows is drawing (assumedly), and to be faced with the possibility of not being able to......should be interesting.

And the conclusion to the Morita story, as I thought, Kaoru bought out Floyd. Although by his reaction it seems to be a pyrrhic victory for Kaoru, he knew that this is not what his father wanted. I am now assuming that their father is dead as well.

I like how the previews are incredibly vague as well. Gets you thinking all sorts of things....like a couple of expressions I saw might indicate a Ayu/Takemoto thing starting.

Still, with only 5 eps left (I think), I don't see how they could squeeze that in without rushing stuff.....

[ant]

Episode 8 was great, even though I thought the music to Hagu's accident was to put it kindly, interesting. IMO nothing wrong with Hagu other than the fact that she is in her late teens and is stuck in a 7 year old's body. I always saw Hagu's childish nervousness just like many childlike Japanese girls, basically an act to hide behind difficult situations and emotions. It seems that since she is so emotional that she can express more in her art. IMO her movie counter part fits her character better, and more realistically, but hey there may be blonde hair under developed college girls in the Kanto region, I just never met one.

[Tsukushi]

I always saw Hagu's childish nervousness just like many childlike Japanese girls, basically an act to hide behind difficult situations and emotions.

Agreed - but - I don't remember exactly which episode of the second season it was in, but I love the moment when Hagu "speaks to us" about her feelings - which was actually the first time she's done it through the whole series. (Remember? when she speaks about the millions of boxs she'de like to open....). I thought she was quite childlike and even a little uninteresting in the first season, but I do like her role in the second. Even her animation seems to be more mature at times. I wonder how her character is going to develop in the remaining episodes....

[ant]

^ That was episode 6, also another quote from her was when she was saying how she saw God and if she couldn't paint/draw again she would give her life back to God. That should make for interesting drama as she can't feel in her right hand and I am sure Takemoto wouldn't want her to give her life back so soon. She can always become ambidexterous if push comes to shove.

The first season didn't really tie up loose ends (or ended in its climax) which is one reason why there are people who don't like this show, yet I see the second season as a resolution to the series and wonder if the reviews should be reevaluated as such.

[Shadowmage]

Episode 9

It seems that Hagu is a lot stronger person than originally anticipated. As a person who has broken his arm before, I can imagine how painful it must be to get off anasthesics, but staying off it for a prolonged period of time takes real guts. Her unbending will to continue persuing her dream is unnaturally strong. Ironically, however, this will is also destroying her body inside out as she inadvertantly hurts herself as a means to vent her fustration. It has been obvious for a while, but this episode nailed down the fact that Hagu's injury will either make her a stronger person or completely destroy her. Looking at the previews, it's obvious that Takemoto will play a huge role in her recovery or her downfall.

If the original Honey and Clover was a budding flower, Honey and Clover II is undoubtedly the flower in full bloom. Let's just hope it lasts.

[Ieyasu]

I'm just praying Takemoto can make a choice he won't regret. It seems that all his options are bad.

I'm really hoping the ending to Honey and Clover isn't one of seperation as it seems to be moving towards at the moment. But I can't see how it could end otherwise.

Mayama is in Spain, and doesn't know when he'll be returning. Morita has withdrawn from his friends and is putting all his time into the company and his brother. Takemoto desperately wants to take this job, but can't make up his mind because of Hagu. Yamada will probably end up working at Fujiwara design, meaning she won't be seeing much of any of her old friends, especially if Hagu decides to leave Tokyo, as she may well do. As for Hagu, the only place she really has to go back to at the moment is with Shuuji. But she already said she didn't want to rob him of his own life because of her desire to continue her work.

So this doesn't leave Hagu with many options. It all comes down to how she choses to deal with Takemoto.

[Datsun]

You know, after the first episode, I was a little sceptical, thinking a second season of Honey and Clover would tarnish the series. Thankfully, I've been proven wrong so far, and ironically, it's the advent of the second season that seems to have highlighted the short comings of the first season.

The intro is better than the first season, as it's less whiny, and I think the ending theme, Split, whilst it doesn't have the immediate impact that the outstanding Waltz had, it just seems to have grown on me after each episode. The transition at the end of each episode seems much smoother as well. The insert songs are stil,l by and large, nice touches, though during Hagu's accident scene, it may have been more advisable for a silent scene rather than one with music that comes off more distasteful than anything. That's my only musical gripe however.

Quite clearly, the greatest thing about this second series is the progress that is made, not least Mayama and Rika's relationship. This way Yamada may be forced to progress as well, which is happening, albeit a bit slower. Morita is given much needed background and it manages to show that he's surprisingly innocent as he seems to be free of the malice and hatred that his brother exhibits.

I'm surprised that there aren't more posts actually, as this is shaping up to be one of the better shows I've seen in its entirety, but then I guess the forums seem pretty quiet these days, which is a bit of a shame.

[Linuts]

Arg, despite me saying how much I love this show all the time, I left the second season hanging for quite a while. Well I finally caught up!

The first few episodes had me worried. The focus on Yamada's hanging on to Mayama was starting to irritate me a bit. Yes, Yamada of all people started to irritate me. We got enough of that in the first season, and I was hoping the second season will end her moping for good.

But thankfully, by the 4th episode, Mayama made his startingly move and changed the whole progress of the story. Yamada is slowly starting to look elsewhere. We find out more about Morita's past and why he has been so hungry for money. Hagu is now going through a great ordeal. And Takemoto has new problems to help him grow yet again. I've become very interested in the characters all over again.

The comedy seems a lot more toned down compared to the 1st season, though. I really miss Morita's craziness. Too bad now he is depressed over his brother. The show is progressing towards a more depressing path, and hopefully things will lighten up a little.

[Major Tom]

I'm actually enjoying the more depresssing tone H&C has taken, and not because I'm a cold hearted bastard. I don't think these issues can really be taken seriously if there is too much humour, it allows me to suspend my disbelief somewhat easier.

As for the latest episode, I agree with whoever said that this trial will either make Hagu or completely destroy her. Her home, well that's not the same anymore so for Hagu that will probably be more difficult than staying with Shuu-chan. Not to mention that her father stayed for a very short time......kind of suggests things weren't too good between them to start off with anyways.

I think her recovery will depend on how much Takemoto, Yamada and her friends are willing to help her, keep her company and focused on rehab, and not let her dwell on her accident.

As for Takemoto, I got the distinct feeling that he has decided not to take the job. His desire to help Hagu is too strong, and his internal monologue was more to do with how to live and help Hagu without being a burden on anybody, and how to balance the time needed to make money against time with Hagu.

[Ghostmaster]

I gotta catch up on Honey and Clover. I'm up to episode 7 so I've missed a bunch, but I have them to watch. I am really enjoying the second season so far. I wasn't sure if they could pull off what they pulled off in the first one.

[soundchazer]

I also have to admit... as much as I loved the first season, this one is turning out to be something really special. Unlike Major Tom, I think the comedy, among other things from season 1, make the second series work better, because the characters are already endearing to the viewers, giving the drama more punch. Think about Mai-Hime and how the comedic first part of the show was a nice set-up for the dramatic elements of the story.

[Major Tom]

I also have to admit... as much as I loved the first season, this one is turning out to be something really special. Unlike Major Tom, I think the comedy, among other things from season 1, make the second series work better, because the characters are already endearing to the viewers, giving the drama more punch. Think about Mai-Hime and how the comedic first part of the show was a nice set-up for the dramatic elements of the story.

Don't get me wrong, I thought the comedy in the 1st season worked really well, and as you say, endeared us to the characters. I think this season is working really well because of the lesser emphasis on comedy and greater on drama...actually pretty much as you say.

Also.....I've only gotten episodes into 4 Mai-HiME, so I can't really make that kind of connection yet.

[KiraraKim]

I am also loving the second season of Honey and Clover. I was initially worried about a second season because the first ended perfectly for me but besides a slightly slow beginning I think this season has been even better than the first. Hagu who I didn't really like in the first season has really grown on me and I feel I understand her character better. We also learn more about the Morita brothers. Originally I felt Morita was mainly there for comic relief and although I loved him from the start it's nice to finally learn the secret of his character was something very down to earth and easy to relate to.

Actually a lot of anime start with comedy and end with drama. The one that sticks out most in my mind is Fruits Basket. I think it is something very common but something I really like. It is like Soundchazer said the comedy endears you to the charaters so when the drama happens it hits you a little harder.

Although I have to say it is interesting to read people's theories when I already know how it is going to end (as long as it keeps following the manga). :alex:

[KiraraKim]

I have some bad news for everyone. I know I mentioned in an early thread that Kamiya Hiroshi (Takemoto's Seiyuu) was in a really bad car accident. Well although he will be alright he was unfortunately unable to record the whole series. Takemoto will be voiced by Nojima Kenji in the last episode. :(

[Ghostmaster]

I caught up with Honey and Clover and man is it getting good. Did not see the Hagu incident coming when the glass shattered all over her. Then the whole thing with Morita and his brother. The second is turning out to be great I can't wait for the next few episodes.

[Ieyasu]

Episode eleven, and Hagu made her choice.

I don't understand why they felt the need to use so much comedy this late in the series. The scene between Takemoto and Morita on the riverbank would have been far better if they presented it in a serious manner.

And as for the final scene between Hanamoto and Morita. Well. The less said about that the better. Seemed highly innapropriate to me.
Implying Shuuji loved Hagu in a romantic way just spoiled that scene for me. They're second cousins for god's sake -_-

It's like they're trying to soften a sad ending by pouring a thick layer of comedy over everything. But it really doesn't need softening.

[soundchazer]

Episode eleven, and Hagu made her choice.

I don't understand why they felt the need to use so much comedy this late in the series. The scene between Takemoto and Morita on the riverbank would have been far better if they presented it in a serious manner.

And as for the final scene between Hanamoto and Morita. Well. The less said about that the better. Seemed highly innapropriate to me.
Implying Shuuji loved Hagu in a romantic way just spoiled that scene for me. They're second cousins for god's sake -_-

It's like they're trying to soften a sad ending by pouring a thick layer of comedy over everything. But it really doesn't need softening.

Well... they have been doing this since episode one in the first season, why stop now? You need some levity to avoid the series becoming one big melodrama. I do admit they overdid it this episode.

About the second cousin thing... there a lot of parts in the world where that is not such taboo as what you make it imply. Mexico, for example, allows marriages from second cousins onwards (not that it happens often, at least not in the cities).

[loner]

Eh well, I found it a bit disconcerting just because Shuuji acted like a father figure to Hagu throughout the first and second series.

[Natsuke Takeda]

....To be honest, the first half of this sequel was much better than what I'm seeing.

I liked the first series of H & C very much, but as I watch the sequel I realized.

Nothing has really happened. It's bothered me for the past four episodes.

What's Takemoto's role? What HAS been Takemoto's role? When Morita said Hagu rejected him ages ago and Takemoto agreed, it just made me think:

"Then WTF is he all 'what am I going to do' for?!"

It's now clearly obvious to me that Takemoto never held any specific value to Hagu other than a friend. The possibility of romance between Takemoto and Hagu was one of the main reasons why I hung on the last four episodes, and it just crumbled when I realized that Takemoto wasn't going to do anything at all.

Wasn't Takemoto's role slight-priority over the others? He hasn't changed at all since the first season and it bugs me. Everyone has developed while Takemoto seems to have just taken the role of Narrator and observer. I feel for the guy because when you think about it, Takemoto has nothing to give towards anyone, and he won't even get a break. Like he said, he has no talent and money, and while he does take satisfaction that Hagu chose "Honor" over "Money and Talent," it just seems tragic that he, who had rode across Japan on a freakin bike to find himself, comes back to what looked like a promising future, but in the end, nothingness.

The latest episode (11) just pissed me off, especially the comedic scene, because it did no justice and it made the tension between Takemoto and Morita feel like it could be whisked away.

It's like "It's a wonderful life" with a upcoming sucky ass ending. Man, this series is good and all, but ugh, it's starting to leave a bitter taste, and not because it's a "slice of life" anime....

[soundchazer]

....To be honest, the first half of this sequel was much better than what I'm seeing.

I liked the first series of H & C very much, but as I watch the sequel I realized.

Nothing has really happened. It's bothered me for the past four episodes.

What's Takemoto's role? What HAS been Takemoto's role? When Morita said Hagu rejected him ages ago and Takemoto agreed, it just made me think:

"Then WTF is he all 'what am I going to do' for?!"

It's now clearly obvious to me that Takemoto never held any specific value to Hagu other than a friend. The possibility of romance between Takemoto and Hagu was one of the main reasons why I hung on the last four episodes, and it just crumbled when I realized that Takemoto wasn't going to do anything at all.

Wasn't Takemoto's role slight-priority over the others? He hasn't changed at all since the first season and it bugs me. Everyone has developed while Takemoto seems to have just taken the role of Narrator and observer. I feel for the guy because when you think about it, Takemoto has nothing to give towards anyone, and he won't even get a break. Like he said, he has no talent and money, and while he does take satisfaction that Hagu chose "Honor" over "Money and Talent," it just seems tragic that he, who had rode across Japan on a freakin bike to find himself, comes back to what looked like a promising future, but in the end, nothingness.

The latest episode (11) just pissed me off, especially the comedic scene, because it did no justice and it made the tension between Takemoto and Morita feel like it could be whisked away.

It's like "It's a wonderful life" with a upcoming sucky ass ending. Man, this series is good and all, but ugh, it's starting to leave a bitter taste, and not because it's a "slice of life" anime....

* soundchazer shrugs.

I will wait until the very end to make that decision. Unfortunately, the world is full of Takemotos, and that is my view on the character. People who are good natured, good chums, but nothing more... If the producers plan to make this a "last season" for the series, I guess they might do an epilogue sequence at the very end of the last episode.

And seriously... that tension between Takemoto and Morita was bound to be deflated... after all, it is not like her choice was between the two of them.


Loner:

Have you ever read "Daddy Longlegs" or watched my Fair Lady or Gigi? There are plenty of stories of a guardian falling in love with the person they are protecting or nurturing. If anything, the mistake was not introducing or at least hinting that element sooner. I will agree that throughout the first series, Shuuji acted more like the jealous father.

[KiraraKim]

Um spoilers for this episode and ranting against people saying Takemoto has not developed:

I admit I was unhappy about Hagu's choice. I also think the Hagu/Shuuji romance came out of nowhere. Personally I think Hagu did have romantic feelings for Morita but realized that Morita would not have been able to give his life to her. She wouldn't have wanted Morita to give up his life for her. However Hagu felt she could ask this of Shuuji. Shuuji has always been Hagu's protector and frankly Shuuji had already devoted his life to Hagu.

As for Takemoto. I knew pretty much from the beginning that he wouldn't get Hagu and that she only viewed him as a friend. I was actually surprised after Takemoto's speech in episode 9 that people still thought he would get her after he said he didn't have the money or means to take care of Hagu. And actually I feel people are saying that Takemoto didn't develop because he didn't get the girl. Frankly I find that really silly and I disagree completely. The fact that Takemoto realized that Hagu being with him would not be the best for her is why I love Takemoto. Sure Takemoto wanted Hagu to choose him but he also wants the best for her because he does really love her. And although Hagu doesn't return the feelings she always will love Takemoto as a friend and does really care about him.

And just because Takemoto isn't super talented and doesn't get the girl doesn't mean his life is over. In fact that would be the exact opposite of what the show was trying to tell us. Things don't always work out the way we want and we don't always know what the future has in store for us but that's life. Life is meant for living not giving up. You know Takemoto will move on find a job and probably even fall in love again.

[Sorrow-kun]

I admit I was unhappy about Hagu's choice. I also think the Hagu/Shuuji romance came out of nowhere. Personally I think Hagu did have romantic feelings for Morita but realized that Morita would not have been able to give his life to her. She wouldn't have wanted Morita to give up his life for her. However Hagu felt she could ask this of Shuuji. Shuuji has always been Hagu's protector and frankly Shuuji had already devoted his life to Hagu.
The Hagu/Shuuji relationship came out of the same place as Hagu's injury, which came about from an accident. It probably wouldn't have happened, but for the injury. Hagu probably wasn't interested in giving Morita the burden of looking after her in her situation, and Morita clearly wasn't interested in having that burden. Hagu saw that the only person she could really turn to out of the three choices was Shuuji... but I'd argue this would have been different if she didn't get injured.

[KiraraKim]

Yeah I agree if what happened to Hagu hadn't occured her decision might have been different.

I think my main problem is not who Hagu chose since I don't think I could have decided between Morita and Takemoto but the fact that even through all the progress she has made in the end she still has to be dependent on someone

[ant]

I see Hagu's accident as a catalyst to see which guy would go the distance for her. Takemoto would but Hagu doesn't share the same feelings. Morita wanted the opposite and have Hagu care for him. Shuu chan really puts Hagu first in his life. Saying that I think episode 12 pops ideas that were sort of there, (Takemoto being totally rejected, there was a thank you from Hagu when he told her he loves her from the first season but then its dropped in the second) Shuu being in love with Hagu, while I can see it, I feel they really didn't flesh that out to be convincing enough for me. We'll see how the other 2 episodes fair out but I am guessing that last one with be a prologue episode.

Damn Morita is one rich motha fo

[KiraraKim]

There is only one episode left not two.

[ant]

Then it looks like I suck at guessing! That would mean last week was the last episode, hence the new Noitamina series should come this week!

[Mailorder]

Wasn't Takemoto's role slight-priority over the others? He hasn't changed at all since the first season and it bugs me. Everyone has developed while Takemoto seems to have just taken the role of Narrator and observer. I feel for the guy because when you think about it, Takemoto has nothing to give towards anyone, and he won't even get a break. Like he said, he has no talent and money, and while he does take satisfaction that Hagu chose "Honor" over "Money and Talent," it just seems tragic that he, who had rode across Japan on a freakin bike to find himself, comes back to what looked like a promising future, but in the end, nothingness.

In season one, Takemoto was just a good-hearted, but average guy who falls in love with Hagu. He spends time with her to be there and support her, but that's all he can do: support her. Because Takemoto doesn't have Hagu's level of genius, he isn't able to become anything more than support. Morita, on the other hand, is a genius. Morita and Hagu's works inspire each other and even becomes a friendly rivalry. Because Morita can go beyond support, and even to inspiration, he has the ability to have more than a "just friends" relationship with Hagu. Takemoto sees he's no match for Morita and wants to give up. But after Takemoto's bike adventure, he found that despite his everything he lacks, he still loves Hagu. And whether he's a match to Morita or not doesn't matter, he can't deny his true emotions. On the last episode, he is finally able to tell Hagu he loves her.

Season Two: When Morita tells Takemoto that Hagu denied him long ago, he was absolutely right. It's great that at the end of season one, Takemoto can express how he truly feels about Hagu. But he's the same guy with no money and no talent. The reality is that loving someone doesn't mean you are able to completely provide for them. You also need some level of money and talent to do that. (Incoming spoilers for ep. 12)The night before Takemoto leaves Tokyo to start his new job restoring temples, Hagu knows Takemoto does quality work by looking at his tower. She tells him he'll be excellent at his work, and that she will also work her hardest and won't be beat by Takemoto. By her saying this, she's acknowledged that Takemoto is beginning his growth in skills. While he isn't someone who can provide now, he may be someday later.

Throughout the first and second season, I don't think Takemoto had any clear indication of how Hagu felt about him. However, the final scene of ep. 12 is it. Hagu loves Takemoto only as a friend. However, that love is immense. Take note that her final gift to him was something she could not provide for ever Shuuji. Takemoto understands this and begins to cry because her gift signaled that all the time he spent with her was not in vain. Takemoto was not the only one in love. Hagu loved Takemoto, even if it wasn't the same kind of love.

I can't help but compare this final scene to Shuuji and Rika's embrace in ep. 4. When Shuuji is about to push/hold Rika, she finally realizes that while she was suffering from Harada's death, Shuuji was suffering from trying to save her. When Rika told Shuuji she loved him, it was an acknowledgement of everything Shuuji had done for her. Even though Shuuji couldn't provide for Rika, she still loved him for what he was trying to do for her. It was a love of friendship.

There are people in the world who are unafraid to express their feelings to the one they love, but cannot realistically provide them with anything other than pure emotion. Then there are people who have money and power, but are unable to open themselves up emotionally. In season one, Takemoto learned to express his love. In season two, he learns love alone is not enough, and he moves on in order to become someone who can provide.

Shuuji is the Takemoto that did not move on. Through Hagu, Takemoto realized he needed to become someone who can provide (as opposed to support) and moves on by moving to work on restoring temples. As for Shuuji, he went to Hagu after losing Rika. Hagu was someone he could support, but he could not provide for. He loved Hagu, but Hagu's love for him was the same as her love for Takemoto. Also take note that Shuuji is a teacher. The phrase, "Those who cannot do, teach" has never been more appropriate.

This does not mean Shuuji's life is meaningless, since he is one who hasn't any talent. But because of Morita's experiences with Kaoru, Morita understands that you don't have to be a genius to enjoy life. You can enjoy life by simply being alive. And on the topic of Morita, he is the opposite of season one-Takemoto. He has talent and money, but he cannot express himself correctly. (Don't forget the kiss he gave Hagu) He hasn't forgotten about how those with talent become hated. His father's fate and his brother's torture constantly remind him.

But while you should enjoy life by simply living, you shouldn't supress your genius if you have it (or in Takemoto and Shuuji's case, in my opinion, if you have the potential). This is something Hagu taught Morita when he took her from the Hospital. While Morita tried to convince her to quit, she told him she wouldn't give up and that she even would be watching Morita. Morita's action meant well, but they were wrong. He wanted her to stop being a genius, so she wouldn't suffer the fate of his father, or even himself. But Hagu understood that if you're hated as a genius, it's because you're not expressing yourself right. Hagu isn't hated for her genius because she reveals her weaknesses, while Morita does not.

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So basically, the whole point of Takemoto being in the series is to inspire all the Average Joes in relationships to take two steps: First, build the confidence to express your emotions. And second, become someone who can provide the one you love with what reality demands.

[Rove]

There is only one episode left not two.
Incorrect. Though episode 12 just aired a couple days ago and marks the end of the series, there will be a 13th DVD only episode that suposedly will be a spin-off ending of some sorts and/or epilogue. This DVD episode is confirmed, however what it will be about is rumor territory, so don't mark my words on it.

That would mean last week was the last episode, hence the new Noitamina series should come this week!
Yes and no. The new series for the Noitamina schedule is Hataraki Man (http://www.hataraki-anime.com/), aka the anime based on the manga by Moyoco Anno (aka Hideaki Anno's wife) about a 28-year old female workaholic. However, the series will start on October 12th, so I don't know what Fuji TV is going to air till then.

[KiraraKim]

Incorrect. Though episode 12 just aired a couple days ago and marks the end of the series, there will be a 13th DVD only episode that suposedly will be a spin-off ending of some sorts and/or epilogue. This DVD episode is confirmed, however what it will be about is rumor territory, so don't mark my words on it.

Interesting... I can't imagine what it will be because the anime does end at the end of the manga (leaving off a few scenes here and there.)

I did hear the mangaka is working on a spinoff series. It's possible that the 13th episode will be the start of that.

[Major Tom]

Interesting episode, number 11. So Hagu made her choice, but I am also of the opinion that perhaps some sort of foreshadowing of these feelings would have been preferable. I mean, feelings like these don't come out of nowhere. Perhaps if the accident hadn't happened then they wouldn't have come out in this manner, but they would have been there none the less.

I was also unaware that Takemoto has been dumped. Right up to ep.10 thought he still was in with a chance. So when did she let him go? I don't think that a scene that yelled 'you've been dumpXX0rd!' would have been appropriate, but I don't think it was made clear.

This is not to say that I didn't enjoy the episode. I enjoyed the comedy in it, it was a bit of relief from the heaviness of the previous episodes, I don't think it was misplaced. The overall direction this season has taken is pretty good, what I've been moaning about above is rather petty in the whole scheme of things.

[ant]

I was also unaware that Takemoto has been dumped. Right up to ep.10 thought he still was in with a chance. So when did she let him go? I don't think that a scene that yelled 'you've been dumpXX0rd!' would have been appropriate, but I don't think it was made clear.



This is something that would be obvious to Japanese people when someone tells you that they love you but the response is thank you which translates to "Thank you so much for feeling this way about me, BUT I don't share those feelings that you have". I am not sure about Australia but in the US it goes "you want to catch a movie Friday"? girl says "sorry but I am busy". I didn't know Takemoto got turned down as well, but I understood completely after Morita said that. Damn cultural divide.

[soundchazer]

You guys are not too observant it seems. Takemoto himself established that he was rejected back in episode 2 of the new season and that she was avoiding him. He didn't say it flat out that way, but it was pretty much implied.

[Natsuke Takeda]

Mm~ I had the impression that Hagu was avoiding him back in eps 2 because she had mixed feelings as to what she should do with what Takemoto has told her. Although Takemoto acknowledges that she's been avoiding him, I didn't read as deep as you guys did.

However, about the cultural divide, it makes sense. But honestly, if that was the case, then the Mayama and Yamado should had been cut off after Mayama kept saying "Yeah..." after Yamada just straight out confessed. But it went on. While Yamada is trying to cut off those feelings, even after the confession there are subtle hints that it could still happen as the series went on, especially when Mayama kept trying to protect Yamada from certain guys.. That's why I didn't read as deep anymore with Takemoto.

But it's come to an end, and once again, Takemoto has NOTHING to gain. While I do believe he has matured a lot, he hasn't matured or shown he's matured enough to make me believe his ending is worth everything he's gone through.

Seriously, I'm beggin em.. give him a well-deserved ending. Everyone seems to be leading to one, even Morita... but poor Takemoto. As it was said, he's like the everyday average man.

I guess that's why some people don't really like his character, because he's just plain. But that's the person I could really connect with.

One more episode, right? I'm confused.

[ant]

^ Mayama is not the average Joe that Takemoto is and even you can see that. Also his situation is different than Takemoto's. He is in love with someone in love with someone that has pasted away, and someone like Yamada is in love with him.
@Soundchazer episode 2's statement could imply many things. I am sure a Japanese person can understand the situation better since it is very culturally heavy, at least in the romantic department. I interpereted that statement as Hagu being her nervous self in those types of situations. It was also driven by the fact that I was rooting for him to end up with Hagu. If anything I am pissed that I pit all this investment in Takemoto and he gets nothing, which means my payoff is ruined. I will wait until episode 12 is fs but until then I feel that the author forced me into a situation to root for the loser. Shit Morita had a better chance and probably would have been with Hagu if not for the accident as Sorrow-kun pointed out.

[Major Tom]

Mm~ I had the impression that Hagu was avoiding him back in eps 2 because she had mixed feelings as to what she should do with what Takemoto has told her. Although Takemoto acknowledges that she's been avoiding him, I didn't read as deep as you guys did.

That's exactly what I was thinking, plus I also was thinking she was also tossing between Morita and Takemoto as well, seeing as he had (not so delicately) declared his feelings earlier. Perhaps such subtleties got lost on me with all this going on.

Part of me knew that the polite dumping was to say 'Thank you, but sorry' buuuut......it's been rather ingrained in me that particular scene in high school romances where guy/girl calls out the object of their desires behind the bike shed or something and then gets turned down.......so having something like that in a new/different situation got lost on me. I'm making a mental note that whenever a thankyou in said in response to a confession is made, it's time so say 'Lolz! you got dumpxx0red!'

[Natsuke Takeda]

Episode 12:

>.> It was like it WANTED to be dramatic and have a good ending...

...But to me, it failed miserably.

Takemoto's sendoff was... well... not as good as it should have been.

IOW, nothing really HAPPENED...

....yes.. not many words could express such an ending.

[Datsun]

At the time I wasn't impressed with episode 11 at all, especially the highly unfunny butchered Morita vs Takemoto scene, and the somewhat unexpected revelation with Shuu and Hagu... but I think episode 12 was handled so well, both with the execution of the comedic and the dramatic moments that flowed on from ep.11 that it almost redeems it completely. The Shuu-Hagu relationship seems to be a more natural bond in this episode, though admittedly, as a cliff-hanger it was always going to be a bit of a shock.

I think with both the H&C endings, if you're looking for a highly dramatic over-the-top climax, then it's likely you're going to be disappointed. I was completely fine with the first seasons ending and, if anything this ending is better for the fact that most characters have found a type of closure... I feel for Takemoto, but sometimes, as in real life, these things happen, but at least he's taken this experience to heart and is trying to move forward.

Shame about the change of Seiyuu for Takemoto, and I hope the dude is getting better.

[KiraraKim]

I think with both the H&C endings, if you're looking for a highly dramatic over-the-top climax, then it's likely you're going to be disappointed. I was completely fine with the first seasons ending and, if anything this ending is better for the fact that most characters have found a type of closure... I feel for Takemoto, but sometimes, as in real life, these things happen, but at least he's taken this experience to heart and is trying to move forward.

Exactly you beat me to this. :)

[mamimi_kawaii]

Aww, here I am expecting the description of the taste of honey and clovers, and I get an anime? Well, guess its a fair substitute.... It's cute!

[Mailorder]

Bittersweet. I'm very satisfied with this ending.

[kurah]

Datsun pretty much summed up how I felt about the ending. It was sincere and the last scene was touching. I also felt Hagu really matured over this season and I felt that at the end of the first season, her development was lacking but she came off as one of the strongest characters this season.

[ant]

I haven't been this touched with an anime since GotF. Takemoto's gift got to me.

[Ghostmaster]

I haven't gotten to see episode 12 yet cause I don't think anone subbed it yet. But that means it's only two more episodes right? It's only gonna be 13?

[Major Tom]

So, it has ended.

I liked the ending, it was......satisfactory. The loose ends have been tied up (though I think things were left a little open with Morita/Hagu), or at least left with an implied ending to them. I actually liked Takemoto's send off party, it felt really.....grounded, and more real, probably a kind of send off party I would throw, nothing too extravagent, just a few friends around.

[yoyoi]

Yeah i love honey and clover...When i watched the first three episodes i already fell in love with the anime...Hey guys can anyone of you send me wallpapers of honey and clover or ranma 1/2 please send it to my email add: ranma_akanesaotome@yahoo.com

[D.A.]

I liked Peter Lucas (who the heck is Peter Lucas?) and Ham-senpai. Just kidding :D I like Yamada and her axe-kick (I think she should learn a roundhouse intead because it doesn't show her panties), Hagu (cute), and Rika. I would like it more if they didn't boast too much about Morita's talent. Winning the Mocademy Award and stuff.

[Skyro]

I just finished watching episode 4, and I must say I am very much enjoying this second season over the first so far.

However I was confused about one part. In episode 4 where Hanamoto is standing behind Rika on the rooftop and approaches her with an outstretched hand... what was he trying to do exactly? From the context it also makes it seem that he was trying to end her misery somehow by erm... well... that's where I get confused :help:

[Major Tom]

I just finished watching episode 4, and I must say I am very much enjoying this second season over the first so far.

However I was confused about one part. In episode 4 where Hanamoto is standing behind Rika on the rooftop and approaches her with an outstretched hand... what was he trying to do exactly? From the context it also makes it seem that he was trying to end her misery somehow by erm... well... that's where I get confused :help:

Crikey, that's stretching the memory a bit. Let's see, I believe that yes, he was considering pushing her off the building. She was so...lost without her husband he may have thought it would be better for her to join him. At that point in time she was emotinally dead anyway.

I could be wrong, though. It's been a long time since I watch H&C.

[Skyro]

Crikey, that's stretching the memory a bit. Let's see, I believe that yes, he was considering pushing her off the building. She was so...lost without her husband he may have thought it would be better for her to join him. At that point in time she was emotinally dead anyway.

I could be wrong, though. It's been a long time since I watch H&C.

That's what I suspected... but how you could even for a second consider such a thing is just shocking to me.

[shewolf_is]

i liked it for a time but some episodes are just plain boring! I like Morita =P its actually a bit like real life and that explains why the plot just stays well, stucked liked that. Although i liked the character development and their interactions i still feel something's not quite "there" like something's missing from the series.

[KiraraKim]

Announcement Bump


Viz has finally announced they have licensed the anime. :D

I am not sure if it is the whole thing or just the first season though.

[Lupin the 3rd]

Its about time they licensed it

[Barrelhaven]

Glad to hear the news. I'm not all that into the slice-of-life/romance genre, so I was pretty surprised I enjoyed H&C so much. I guess it sorta hit home with me, but it was a brilliant series nevertheless. Everything from animation to character development was exceptional.

I'm actually shocked that Lieg reviewed it so low.

[Gigadi]

Announcement Bump


Viz has finally announced they have licensed the anime. :D

I am not sure if it is the whole thing or just the first season though.
This is the best thing to ever happen to me. My life just took a term for the better.

[Yurika Star]

I love Lohmeyer-senpai!

That Lohmeyer episode was one of the best thing's I've seen in the last 10 evers.

"And most of all, this manliness flowing out of him, even when covered with fur... I WANT TO FOLLOW HIM FOREEEEVEER!"