The Gundam SEED Destiny Thread

[ShinoMatrix]

We are in for a long haul so for those currently following this new series and you have nowhere to discuss it... well, you've found the right place to dump your opinions.

Now, hopefully this won't turn into a "We hate Gundam" vs "We love Gundam" thread because that is not my intention. I want people to put in what they think, where they believe the story may be heading to, any rumours, how good the music is, etc...

One of the most disappointing news I've heard in the last couple of weeks was the postponement of Gundam SEED Destiny (GSD) phase 3 to a week later... Damn mother nature, why did she have to decide to have a bloody earthquake during the showing. But the good thing is now we shall get a double dose in the one week this week *sigh...

Also, gathering this from fairly reliable sources, they are actually going to show two episodes on the Christmas period, maybe to catch up to the schedule (though that doesn't make sense) or maybe to just spread Christmas cheer all around... :D

Anyone else here just amazed at the observably crisper and detailed mecha Gundam designs? I mean, right now I'm not totally gasping at the 'originality' of the new Gundams (except of course Gundam Impulse) but dang, I've compared the mecha animation in Gundam SEED and the differences are remarkable (no wonder seeing as how the GSD production has about double the normal budget given to most anime series)...


My final thoughts for the moment is that Shin, albeit looking almost exactly like Kira, has become my favourite character almost immediately (followed by Stellar) because unlike Kira he doesn't cry like a sissy... (he cried yes, but in a much more dignified manner).

[animesage244]

Who's Shin again?
Well Kira is my favorite character.
Or Kagali (did I spell that right?)
Probably cause of the AWESOME GUNDAM!
Well not exactly awesome more like great.

[tsiki]

So far I've seen just one episode, but I quess none has seen much more than that.

I really liked what I saw there. I liked Kira's character a lot, and from what I've seen, Shin seems quite likeable too, so no problems on the character side at all. Also, they seem to take advantage of the detailed world very efficiently, a big plus there. Furthermore, the production values... :eek:

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the new episodes, shouldn't take too much of an effort to make this into a good anime.

[ShinoMatrix]

A little edit there, they didn't actually show episode 3 and 4 of GSD on the weekend, but the double Chirstmas screening is actually happening with the intention of getting them back to schedule...

Shin is the new main character in the show actually... and so far Kira has not made an appearance (only showing Gundam Freedom in the beginning of the first episode)...

Cagali is definitely back in there, and in a more prominent position alongside with Athrun, though I am not sure for how long it will stay that way...

I've only seen the first two episodes so far, and it's very remiscent of the original Gundam SEED, which is kind of off putting, but let's not judge yet.

[Neo-Hunter]

Proffeser Ender has seen a few he said this is a good series so i'll find out.

[Eek]

Proffeser Ender has seen a few he said this is a good series so i'll find out.
I think it's readily apparent that Ender is merely sitting on the fence on Gundam Seed Destiny. He pointed out both good and bad parts that have appeared so far, and basically finished by saying that we'll have to wait to see how the series pans out. So really, he didn't say that it's good.

[Ender]

...he said this is a good series so i'll find out.

Ara ra,

When did I say that?

*looks over First Look*

Nope. Can't seem to find it. Anyone mind taking a look for me?

-Prof. Ender

[ShinoMatrix]

He is probably mistaking one of your other obvious constant appraisal of all things Gundam. And any way, as was said, there's only been 3 episodes shown so far, and even having a 'First Look' review now is so not worth it. There's barely been a story even hinted clearly enough here to go about any real opinions. For me, so far I've just heard way more rumours than concrete story bits.

That being said, so far as it's going, I reckon it's still worth getting into.

[animesage244]

Um.... stupid question but when can you watch it? heheheh....

[Ender]

Ara ra,

He is probably mistaking one of your other obvious constant appraisal of all things Gundam.

"Of all things Gundam?" Oh yeah, because we all know how much I raved about Gundam Wing...and Gundam Seed...and 0083: Stardust Memory...and F-91...and Endless Waltz...and Astray...

And any way, as was said, there's only been 3 episodes shown so far, and even having a 'First Look' review now is so not worth it.

Nah, there was definitely enough in these three episodes to at least garner a First Look. I mean, look at how many people blew up. :P

There's barely been a story even hinted

I'm not too sure on that one. Though the full story hasn't come into full circle yet, there is still enough to be hinted at. Such as those "3 New Gundam Psychos," Shinn's hatred for the Orb Kingdom, that supposed connection between Rey and Neo. And since this is a Gundam series, usually that's enough to spark several different "story fuses."


-Prof. Ender

[ShinoMatrix]

Umm... but the thing is with these particular paths of the story is that they so far are very basic almost formulaic that to me at least there isn't too much to garner a decent prediction as to where this story will head... I mean, I reckon the outcome of all of what's been happening will probably be a massive scale war again, but you never know... for once, a kill-all style war may not arise for the first time (which one could sorely hope will not happen, because let's face it we all want the action in the wars).

animesage244: Umm, if you are in Japan it will be on the usual timeslot that Full Metal Alchemist use to be in, which I think is sometime on a Saturday evening... if not then I'm afraid fansubs are the only way for now, lagging maybe a few days after they are released in Japan.

[Neo-Hunter]

is this going to have the original charaters?

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

No, but it will be the first major "combining, tranforming robots" series of the Gundam franchise.

Presenting:

Sentai Gundam :D

http://www.btinternet.com/~chris.seto/1099176437_great.jpg

[ShinoMatrix]

Is this a joke?

I mean, I'm not saying it's a bad thing or a good thing, but I just want to know if I should be believing what I am seeing...

The orignal characters are there, but the focus of the story is no longer solely on them... There are a butt-load of new characters now, which I am liking more than the original group...

[loner]

No, but it will be the first major "combining, tranforming robots" series of the Gundam franchise.

Presenting:

Sentai Gundam :D

http://www.btinternet.com/~chris.seto/1099176437_great.jpg


That is the most kick-@ss thing I've ever witnessed.
LOL!

[Neo-Hunter]

but it looks like a transformer why am i thinking an autobot ripoff?? but that useally not the style of the gundam creators this is really strange?

[Mei]

That Gundam has been on crack.

I'm finding it difficult to remember how Seed ended, but it's coming back gradually. I can't really comment on the 4 eps I've seen so far, seeing as there's too many unanswered questions; where's Kira?, who are these new people trying to start a war, and what are their objectives?, is that guy in the mask the same clone guy from before?... etc

I am loving the animation and music once again though. I just hope the pace doesn't fall this time, and the ending doesn't suck.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

As long as they don't crash
http://www.btinternet.com/~chris.seto/blue.jpg

[ShinoMatrix]

Oh dude, that is just so funny... dang! And this is why I don't know if I should take your posts seriously...

I just checked that combined Gundam, and all of its parts are not just made up... They are seriously from Chaos, Gaia, Abyss and Impulse... but that begs the question; aren't they enemies? I mean, I could see sort of a defection by Stellar... there was a little groping action in the first episode, and I believe there will be story concerning her and Shinn...

It's continued to stay fast paced so far, and thankfully no wasted filler episode of flashbacks... but I guess it's even too early for that...

[Mei]

Never take anything posted by onii-chan seriously. He's British.

[ShinoMatrix]

Onii-chan? hehe :p

I just noticed this now, but Ender has actually written a first look review of Gundam SEED Destiny already... Aww, I was actually thinking of writing that when I become a professor, but oh well ;)

Here it is for your viewing pleasure:
http://www.animeacademy.com/firstlookdis.php?id=19

The use of Seki Toshihiko sort of gets me guessing about the identity of this new masked guy (though of course I already realised something the first time I heard this character's voice)... Supposedly there's sort of a re-release of the original Gundam SEED and in the end where Muu Flaga's (I don't remember if that's the correct name of the Mobile Armour pilot) helmet being shown is now no longer there, implying perhaps that this new masked villain is him...

[Ender]

Ara ra,

Onii-chan? hehe :p

Supposedly there's sort of a re-release of the original Gundam SEED and in the end where Muu Flaga's (I don't remember if that's the correct name of the Mobile Armour pilot) helmet being shown is now no longer there, implying perhaps that this new masked villain is him...

Hrm, interesting observation. But, in the end of Gundam Seed...Mwu La Flaaga is reduced to space dust

Yet, the fact that Koyasu does the voice role of Neo (the "Char" of this series) in Seed Destiny, and the voice of Mwu in Seed could lead to a connection between the two characters.

Then again, there was that whole banter about clones and what-not in the last few episodes of Seed, so I guess anything is possible.

We'll just have to wait and see.

-Prof. Ender

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

Ara ra,



Hrm, interesting observation. But, in the end of Gundam Seed...Mwu La Flaaga is reduced to space dust

Yet, the fact that Koyasu does the voice role of Neo (the "Char" of this series) in Seed Destiny, and the voice of Mwu in Seed could lead to a connection between the two characters.

Then again, there was that whole banter about clones and what-not in the last few episodes of Seed, so I guess anything is possible.

We'll just have to wait and see.

-Prof. Ender
To add more fire to this flame of intigue. The shot of Mu's space helmet floating in space was removed/edited out of the dvd release of Seed in Japan.

And for what Mei-chan said; beleive what you think is true. I sure as hell don't know better :D

[loner]

Hmm...I'm quite surprised nobody mentioned this yet. Anyways, Seed Destiny has been licensed. See here: http://www.mahq.net/rants/interviews/jchu.htm

To sum up the first 20 episodes, I felt there certainly is some improvement from Seed. The colony drop was well done, if not totally original. I felt Fields of Hope fit that scene perfectly. But Athrun still bores me to no ends, while Shinn lost his episode to some crappy Seed recap, so the character development still needs some work. I found the crew of Minerva more likable and fun than the uptight and boring Archangel group at least. Unfortunately, they don't get enough screen time compared to wuss boy and nerdy glasses boy.

[Neon]

Any body here a Gundam SEED fan?



:blah4: :jawdrop: :rant:

[ShinoMatrix]

Umm... yes, otherwise this thread will not exist or will be titled "We hate Gundam"...

Hmm...I'm quite surprised nobody mentioned this yet. Anyways, Seed Destiny has been licensed. See here: http://www.mahq.net/rants/interviews/jchu.htm

To sum up the first 20 episodes, I felt there certainly is some improvement from Seed. The colony drop was well done, if not totally original. I felt Fields of Hope fit that scene perfectly. But Athrun still bores me to no ends, while Shinn lost his episode to some crappy Seed recap, so the character development still needs some work. I found the crew of Minerva more likable and fun than the uptight and boring Archangel group at least. Unfortunately, they don't get enough screen time compared to wuss boy and nerdy glasses boy.


Wow, I haven't been keeping up with my news. Destiny being licensed will be a hindrance for my regular viewing of it... Meh... the sooner the DVD release the better I suppose. Especially where I live where I'm just beginning to collect the DVDs of the original SEED.

But Bandai Entertainment Inc (BEI) were much quicker to jump in on this one than in SEED. In SEED it took them till about episode 48 till they licensed, now it's not even halfway and it's already done... they really must like money (who doesn't :p)...

I agree, that already the relative pacing of the story is better than SEED, but I'm not so sure it's as good in terms of shelling out the emotional stuff. Fields of Hope is great, but it is not near enough to Mizu no Akashi in my opinion. I can't see at this point how they are going to stun me with new developments like they did in SEED (the N-jammer cancelor, the Freedom and Justice Gundams, etc)...

One thing I would say though is perhaps at this point there might be a little too many characters to keep track off... we still have the original Arcangel crew as well as the new Minerva, plus the Blue Cosmos bunch... That might be the reason to the character development being slow.

[HidekiMotosuwa]

I am loving this series gets right to it and doesn't slow as stated many times. I was really into it and then get a not so shocking message "Gundam Seed Destiny has been Liscensed by Bandai" Oh well if its anything like the first then it will take 10 DVD's(50 episode series) and won't take long to finish it.

[loner]

But Bandai Entertainment Inc (BEI) were much quicker to jump in on this one than in SEED. In SEED it took them till about episode 48 till they licensed, now it's not even halfway and it's already done... they really must like money (who doesn't :p)...


Right on the money. In fact, I thought Destiny would be licenced immediately, like AMG, since Seed has such a large fanbase already and any Seed fans will rush to the stores to buy the Destiny DVDs. Plus, now they can sell the new Gundam models in the U.S. now. Speaking of which, Destiny's new Gundams have not impressed me. Gaia is not bad, but the rest is must meh. Saviour looked like a total ripoff of Justice. The new Destiny Gundam thing is not that great either, and I've never been a big Zaku fan. But that Pink Love-Love Zaku was just wack.....In fact I think it is the most innovative mech design of all....

[ShinoMatrix]

Hahahahahah... the Pink Zaku...

Speaking of pink and all things girly... Ray (the pilot of the white Zaku who has blonde hair and has some connection with Neo, the new masked guy)... Is it me or

is that little hug and very enthusiastic look in his face on the Chairman Dulindal somewhat a little fruity? Not that there's anything wrong with that mind you, but it just further pushes the rumours and gossips surrounding him and about the fact that just by appearance he looks like a girl.

[loner]

Ah Ray. I actually find him pretty dull until 19. Now I think he's the most interesting character in all Seed. His girly looks didn't pique my interest at first, because that's how most bishounens look these days. But then he jumped into Dulindal's embrace like a little girl, which is not something I've seen before. I hate his connection with Neo (deja vu...) but this connection could be very interesting as long as it is done well.

Speaking of which the whole episode 19 was total wack. With the Pink Zaku, Athrun blabbering like an idiot, catfights et al, I felt this was rather out of the ordinary. Which is good. But 20 brought everything down to earth and lower again.

[PerfectDeath]

i'm watching seed D and i do have hopes for it, but that is only if it goes in the right direction *cough* no re-capp *cough* and also if they do the big harem that Athran has correctly.

but i vote Shinn going psycho and becoming a big advisary one of the best paths... but i doubt it'll got here... i forsee more re-cap

i'm re-watching gundam wing, and i've noticed that the proclaimed "worst gundam" has less re-cap... but maybe Seed D will make up in quiality.

but My-Hime is better.

[Shadowmage]

What is the bettings that Ray is another clone? (*Hack cough milllions of sci fi movies/books/animes/mangas/tv shows/etc.)
The show is going strait into mediocrity like the first. It lost a good deal of momemtum especially due to the two recap episodes. (Hmmm Gundam Seed Destiney Edited needs to be graded as a seperate series)

[PerfectDeath]

ya it did lose lots of momentum... maybe it can come back?
inno depends on how bad the chairman is.

but i'm not going against your bet on Ray... geeze id be crazy. O_o

but it was cool at the begining with all the action, then it just recaped like crazy.

[Shadowmage]

ya it did lose lots of momentum... maybe it can come back?
inno depends on how bad the chairman is.

but i'm not going against your bet on Ray... geeze id be crazy. O_o

but it was cool at the begining with all the action, then it just recaped like crazy.

Low quality, Low-budget, Reused Cel-ed action I must add.

There were a few good action scenes, but I've seen better in Zeta Gundam.-Must I note how pathetic this is...

[PerfectDeath]

ya now we just gotta see if this anime surpases Gundam Wing and claims the title of worst gundam.

The problem with sequils is that they spend too much time recapping trying to inform veiwers of what happened in the last series.

[ShinoMatrix]

I noticed a general decline in your opinion as your posts progressed, PerfectDeath... I just found that interesting... either you were influenced by Shadowmage or you already felt that way but just needed someone else first to bite the bullet and proclaim it before you.... Hehehe... this is not in anyway an attack on you, I just thought I'd point out my observation :p

Anyway, the clone thing, albeit being almost certainly so predictable and so boring that it'll ruin everything if it happens, I have hopes that it will not come to that. Speaking of using the same cels over similar scenes, I have to say though that so far Destiny has comparatively less of these compared to original SEED (apart of course from the re-cap episodes)...

About SEED Destiny Edited, is that really even something that was produced by Sunrise or just something put together by the fansubbers, because seriously, it didn't seem like it should have been there. If it was made by the people in Sunrise, I think the whole point of it was really only to bring up to speed those who didn't watch SEED.

So mildly speaking there really have only been 1 and a half re-cap episodes. I say half because episode 20 at this point is more a look back at Shin's history (the first half at least) than a recap of events.

[loner]

Gundam Seed Destiny Edited was indeed created by Sunrise, but is not counted as a proper episode of the series. So technically it doesn't waste any of the series time. That's why I'm indifferent to it. However, I do detest 20 because technically it's not a total recap, but it still showed nothing new. Let's see: Shinn has a good relationship with his sister, his family dying, Shin is upset about it...I KNOW ALL THAT ALREADY! I'd much rather they focus on Shin's life in the academy, how he interacted with Ray, Luna and others there, etc. That makes more point than showing Seed again, most of which have nothing to do with Shin. I mean, how does Freedom flirting with Justice relate to Shin??

Anyway, calling it worse of all Gundam now is too early. A series is bad not just because of too much recaps and flashbacks. Wing had a bunch of bishounens cracking quasi-philosophical crap while whooping everything in sight with their Godlike Gundams. At least Seed and Destiny have characters that resemble real people and more realistic events.

[Neon]

I have gone and purchased the first part of the Gundam SEED series...it really is good, dose anybody have any idea if it will ever be back on the air, or if it is, what channel?

[PerfectDeath]

my opinions change the more i think about a series, someone else doesn't have to "bit the bullet" but i was just in a happy opinion mood... then i slowly get a negative opinion, like saying it's the worst, but i was really getting dissapointed at that point, i was trying to see if my opinion could change a bit so i gathered all of the bad things together :P so now i realised i said too little good and lots of bad, so now i gotta say some good.

or not XP

but neon, currently Gundam seed destiny is not out, heck even the english version of gundam seed is not even finished.

but the one thing that i did point out about gundam wing was it's lcack of so much recap, but yes gundam wing does carry the title of worst for a reason.
but eithr way one thing that i find weird is that cordinators are supposed to be more suppirior, i was that in gundam seed, Heck it was a slaughter how were they winning? now that they have moble suits al of a sudden their soldiers are as good as the cordinators and because they have more numbers they are winning? but then you have the invincible minelva that even though they take damage it's one of those "almost lost" battles were one of the pilots goes beserk n kills everyone.

[ShinoMatrix]

loner: Yeah, actually, upon closer inspection, indeed episode 20 is a fairly useless episode... then again, whether it was full recap or the way that it is now, I still think that such historical backgrounds to the characters should be amalgamated much more intelligently in the series than placed in entire singular episodes... it's a waste in terms of pacing of the show...

And will anyone agree with me that, now that we are at episode 20 and we are almost half way that in reality we seem to be lacking in general progress in the story? Hmm... they have to quicken a bit I reckon in order to not end up with loose ends...

[loner]

Well, the story started out well, and the Junius 7 colony drop was done well. Guess I was a bit naive to think such fast pacing could last. Now, I'm actually not sure where the story is going. I dunno if the pacing is fast or slow because I dunno how much story is there to tell. All I know is the Minerva and the Phantom Pain people haven't done much, and they are supposed to be the main players. Archangel, on the other hand, was last season's main player, but somehow they made them important again. Everything could make sense and a well-connected story could be told, but my past experience with Fukuda...well, I fear the worst. He seems to be more interested in TMR self-isserting and satisfying the fans rather than tell a coherent story.

[Shadowmage]

loner: Yeah, actually, upon closer inspection, indeed episode 20 is a fairly useless episode... then again, whether it was full recap or the way that it is now, I still think that such historical backgrounds to the characters should be amalgamated much more intelligently in the series than placed in entire singular episodes... it's a waste in terms of pacing of the show...

And will anyone agree with me that, now that we are at episode 20 and we are almost half way that in reality we seem to be lacking in general progress in the story? Hmm... they have to quicken a bit I reckon in order to not end up with loose ends...

....Or they can attempt to resolve everything in the last arc of about ten episodes like they did with Seed.

[ShinoMatrix]

Well, the story started out well, and the Junius 7 colony drop was done well. Guess I was a bit naive to think such fast pacing could last. Now, I'm actually not sure where the story is going. I dunno if the pacing is fast or slow because I dunno how much story is there to tell. All I know is the Minerva and the Phantom Pain people haven't done much, and they are supposed to be the main players. Archangel, on the other hand, was last season's main player, but somehow they made them important again. Everything could make sense and a well-connected story could be told, but my past experience with Fukuda...well, I fear the worst. He seems to be more interested in TMR self-isserting and satisfying the fans rather than tell a coherent story.


Well a book I recently read titled "Wrong About Japan" (I forgot who the author was) basically mentions in one of the chapters an encounter they had with the creator of the Gundam franchise and in its most simplest and honest form, Gundam was created plain and simply to sell robot models... that was it... no message hidden in the power the young people have wielding the Gundams, no outcry for some historical transgressions...

They just want to sell robots, which means eye candy to the max is the main focus of these anime... In that sense, for them to come up with even a story is almost a bonus...

I don't know, I'm still very much keen on continuing this series... I'm much more of an avid Gundam fan to not give it a shot... and overall, though it is already manifesting some downers, I am still awed and entertained by it... It's my most anticipated show of the week.

[loner]

Well, for a franchise that was just created to sell robots, the UE series all seemed to have great stories, complex characters and plenty of messages to tell. Compared with some of the other mecha titles of its time, the UE series certainly stands out. I doubt Tomino's motive was that simple back then, but now, yes, selling Gundam models is the prime objective for Bandai and co.

[Shadowmage]

Well a book I recently read titled "Wrong About Japan" (I forgot who the author was) basically mentions in one of the chapters an encounter they had with the creator of the Gundam franchise and in its most simplest and honest form, Gundam was created plain and simply to sell robot models... that was it... no message hidden in the power the young people have wielding the Gundams, no outcry for some historical transgressions...

They just want to sell robots, which means eye candy to the max is the main focus of these anime... In that sense, for them to come up with even a story is almost a bonus...

I don't know, I'm still very much keen on continuing this series... I'm much more of an avid Gundam fan to not give it a shot... and overall, though it is already manifesting some downers, I am still awed and entertained by it... It's my most anticipated show of the week.

Note: The Wachowski Brothers created The Matrix to make a few bucks AND their love of Sci fi. Although, I doubt they expected to leave such a mark on the movie industry as they did.

Recap, and return to Tomino. He needed money in order to finance Gundam, but I'm sure he did it partially due to his love of anime. (and to make a few bucks for himself. :yes: )

[ShinoMatrix]

Well, for a franchise that was just created to sell robots, the UE series all seemed to have great stories, complex characters and plenty of messages to tell. Compared with some of the other mecha titles of its time, the UE series certainly stands out. I doubt Tomino's motive was that simple back then, but now, yes, selling Gundam models is the prime objective for Bandai and co.


Well, the book that I read only plainly mentioned that the Gundam stories were created because a toy company came up to Tomino and asked them to design and make a series that they could use as a platform to sell the robots. I'm not entirely sure if that should be applied to the UE series because the interview of course had some language barriers to breach seeing as how the writer of the book was American and Tomino didn't speak english.

Actually, according to the book, Tomino originally envisaged the Gundams to be a lot less smaller and only work in space. But of course the toy company wanted grandeur and toy robots that could function in any condition, even on earth. Tomino kept on saying that 15 feet robots could not possibly function within the influence of earth's gravity, but of course the toy company was the financer and so we have the Gundams born...

Another interesting note though is that the interview was conducted just after Gundam Wing was finished airing (and SEED was still in design stage)... Perhaps the toy company thing happened then... it would certainly explain the relative suckiness of Wing.

Note: The Wachowski Brothers created The Matrix to make a few bucks AND their love of Sci fi. Although, I doubt they expected to leave such a mark on the movie industry as they did.

Recap, and return to Tomino. He needed money in order to finance Gundam, but I'm sure he did it partially due to his love of anime. (and to make a few bucks for himself. :yes: )


Yeah, of course, everyone wants to make money. And if you can do it by doing something you love then by all means go ahead... but as mentioned above with the 15 feet specs that the toy company wanted, sometimes creativity can be stiffled by money...

[PerfectDeath]

well i wouldn't consider this anime my most hopfull, those spots go to My-Hime and Jinki:Extend.

but money, cof course, this series is OLD and lately the last two were not the greatest, they were the worst, there is not much new material, just a couple of changes, still the same and there doesn't seem to be any risks being taken with this show.

[ShinoMatrix]

Ah, nah, I would certainly doubt very much that this will end before its scheduled conclusion. It's one of those high budget main productions that have a tendency to last no matter the faults it may present. I can't remember the exact figures but comparatively speaking, Destiny I think is financed about twice as much as other anime series with the same lenght...

[Shadowmage]

Ah, nah, I would certainly doubt very much that this will end before its scheduled conclusion. It's one of those high budget main productions that have a tendency to last no matter the faults it may present. I can't remember the exact figures but comparatively speaking, Destiny I think is financed about twice as much as other anime series with the same lenght...
They are sure bombing on animation... And two recap episodes already! (well one is technically part of the series.)

I'm sure they spent a good deal of their money on music. They are getting some of the best artists out there (and it shows.)

...Well I need to wait until Bandai releases the rest of the series as I don't download anything liscensed.

[ShinoMatrix]

Yeah, actually, comparing the successes of the music connected to the Gundam franchise, Destiny so far is surely on the top of its game. Ignited by TM Revolution reached number 1 spot in Japan and all the other songs so far all made it to top 10 (Pride and Reason reaching number 2 on the charts).


The original SEED did pretty well in terms of their music as well with Invoke, again, by TM Revolution reaching number 2 with the rest of their songs except for River going on the top 10.

Hmm... they may have already done filler recap episodes, but surely if you compare the animation from SEED to Destiny you can immediately tell a big improvement.

[loner]

Having said that Shino, apparently they made major animation gaffes in Phase 22. It appears that they try to reuse cels from Seed again, but screwed up majorly, and Strike appeared instead of Impulse for a mili-second or something. Guess that gives credibility to the Mwu is alive theory. His ghost will forever live through Impulse!

Oh and also apparently they even got the phase wrong. The start of the episode says Phase 21.

[Shadowmage]

Having said that Shino, apparently they made major animation gaffes in Phase 22. It appears that they try to reuse cels from Seed again, but screwed up majorly, and Strike appeared instead of Impulse for a mili-second or something. Guess that gives credibility to the Mwu is alive theory. His ghost will forever live through Impulse!

Oh and also apparently they even got the phase wrong. The start of the episode says Phase 21.

I think you're forgetting about Gundam Seed Destiny Edited...

[ShinoMatrix]

I really don't like adding Destiny Edited because it just seems so awkwardly placed and indeed was never put in the usual release of it in TV...

loner: Actually, yeah, I think I noticed that mistake that happened too... vaguely... I'm talking about the phase 22 thing I mean... the re-using of the cels is new to me.

[loner]

I think you're forgetting about Gundam Seed Destiny Edited...


Gundam Seed Destiny Edited was not a proper episode. It wasn't a 'phase'. The episode before this also referered itself as 'Phase 21'.

[PerfectDeath]

oooh the show is getting better.
FREEDOM >_<

[heffer]

oooh the show is getting better.
FREEDOM >_<
Agree -
FREEDOM

I hope Shin gets shot out of the sky as well...

[ShinoMatrix]

Personally I think Freedom will kick Impulse to kingdom come without breaking a sweat (ok, so mecha's can't actually sweat, but you get my point)...

N-jammer cancelor means almost unlimited energy. With up to 7 weapons at the same time, not to mention the high focused beams, Freedom is an army into its own, and let's not forget it's docking capabilities with the Meteor augmentation...

In order to be effective Impulse needs the Minerva... it's too constrictive... and its weapons need to change too often in order to match Freedom's capabilities...

Pluse Freedom looks cool and Kira is much more experienced...

[PerfectDeath]

well the impuls can and probably will get some new geer to fight freedom (looks at the begining vidio with the shin kira confrontations and the purple dark moble suit that kinda looks freedom like.)
but no doubt shinnll get owned, but what will Athran's response be, will he run to durandle and be like "dar she blows!"?
and what will the phantom pain do?
eitehr way Kira could take em all with his multi firing burst thinggy were he jsut floats there and blasts 80 units in 2 seconds.
but i don't think he can dock with a meateor pack or whatever, because they don't have the ship that allows for that... were'd that ship go??

[Neo-Hunter]

can we say army, i think freedom is it's own fraken Beast! it can take on i think anything you can throw at it and also with it's link up to the G.E.U. i think it will kick ass. and that boy who controls the transformer type gundam is really a rookie. kira is more experienced.

[ShinoMatrix]

but i don't think he can dock with a meateor pack or whatever, because they don't have the ship that allows for that... were'd that ship go??


You know what, you are right... where did that ship go? I mean seriously, from SEED, it was obvious that the Archangel sustained way heavier damage when compared to that ship. Hmm... meh... they could always find materials out of space to fix things up good as new... I mean, the reason my friend is not a big fan of the Gundam series' is that how can a gundam fire so many missiles and never run out? :p

[loner]

You mean Eternal, Shino? Well, that is a ZAFT ship, and Lacus stole it in Seed. After the war is over, Lacus went to retreatment with Kira and co., so the ship was probably returned to ZAFT. Although I can't figure out how they could've kept Freedom, since that was stolen from ZAFT too. I guess they just told ZAFT that it's practically bust in Jachin Due, while secretly ask Orb to repair it or something. As for the Meteor units, weren't they destroyed in Jachin Due? Or did I remmeber wrongly?

Oh, has anyone seen the new monstrosity Destroy Gundam that is about to be rolled out? Y'know, the one in the shadow in the intro? That thing makes Freedom looks like an ant. I bet it can have it for a snack.

[Neon]

What dose ZAFT stand for?

[Neo-Hunter]

zodaic alliance someting treaty

[ShinoMatrix]

You mean Eternal, Shino? Well, that is a ZAFT ship, and Lacus stole it in Seed. After the war is over, Lacus went to retreatment with Kira and co., so the ship was probably returned to ZAFT. Although I can't figure out how they could've kept Freedom, since that was stolen from ZAFT too. I guess they just told ZAFT that it's practically bust in Jachin Due, while secretly ask Orb to repair it or something. As for the Meteor units, weren't they destroyed in Jachin Due? Or did I remmeber wrongly?

Oh, has anyone seen the new monstrosity Destroy Gundam that is about to be rolled out? Y'know, the one in the shadow in the intro? That thing makes Freedom looks like an ant. I bet it can have it for a snack.

That's it!

And yes, Kira's Meteor unit was pretty much destroyed in the last battle with Providence, I seriously love that unit mainly because I believed its a straight "hunter killer" of Gundams... comparing Freedom and Providence, I would say Freedom is the powerful samurai style warrior while Providence is more of the ninja...

Athrun's Meteor unit though, last I remember, wan't destroyed... Justice did though, of course.

Wait a minute... I always thought that that Gundam in the background in the intro was Providence. I thought that it was sort of a symbol of the past and what La Re Clueze left as his legacy or something... hmm... interesting... Destroy Gundam... I'd say in terms of names, it's the least creative of them all so far.

[heffer]

Stupid Question - Do you think the meteor units can only be used in space?

[loner]

If the Archangel can go underwater, the Meteor units can be used on Earth. But they will probably cause enormous destruction everywhere, since I doubt Kira or Athrun can prevent all of those freaky rays from hitting places they don't intend to hit.

Shino: Hmm...you raised an interesting point. Can Freedom use Justice's Meteor?

And yep that's a new Gundam. I'd think DestroyER Gundam sounds more right, but Destroy Gundam sounds lol-inducing. I wonder what that thing can do, though probably all it needs to do is to step on the other Gundams.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

Has anyone seen he pictures of the "Destiny" Gundam, Freedom MKII/Kai and the Psycho-Gundam-Sized "Destroy" Gundam?

Seriously crazy stuff.

And TMR's character, Heine, is blatenly Ace Rimmer.
"Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast ;)"
"What a guy!"

[Shadowmage]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that the Meteor units are totally ripped off from Gundam 0083? (But then again Gundam Seed is one of the least original anime series ever created.)

[loner]

Here's the Psycho clone:

http://img240.exs.cx/img240/3212/11115578604840sb.jpg

So I guess Four...er.....Stellar will be piloting this.

[Shadowmage]

Here's the Psycho clone:

http://img240.exs.cx/img240/3212/11115578604840sb.jpg

So I guess Four...er.....Stellar will be piloting this.

If that happens, I forsee the franchise permanently dropping into mediocrity like its predecessor.

[PerfectDeath]

OMG giant gundams now!
this will drop the series if they do this, unless they can make the arival of the mobile suit nice and smooth.

EDIT: and ZAFT stands for
Zodiac
Alliance
Freedom
Treaty

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

The giant gundams aren't that big a deal. If the psycho gundam was fine in its original series... :P

Think of it as a battleship which isn't as vulnerable to Mobile Suits.

I'm making it a rule of thumb to not make any judgements till I see the thing in action.
The Gouf Ignited was a nice design, but didn't seem as good as the old Gouf's

"Zaku to wa!!"

[ShinoMatrix]

Here's the Psycho clone:

http://img240.exs.cx/img240/3212/11115578604840sb.jpg

So I guess Four...er.....Stellar will be piloting this.


Whoa!


The giant gundams aren't that big a deal. If the psycho gundam was fine in its original series... :P

Think of it as a battleship which isn't as vulnerable to Mobile Suits.

I'm making it a rule of thumb to not make any judgements till I see the thing in action.
The Gouf Ignited was a nice design, but didn't seem as good as the old Gouf's

"Zaku to wa!!"


Yeah, true... though a Gundam will be a Gundam in the end, sometimes one can still become impressed, especially if you leave yourself open... Personally it's not the size of Destroy that irks me though, it's more the relative blandness of its design... Hmm... still, its application may change my mind...

[Shadowmage]

Here's the Psycho clone:

http://img240.exs.cx/img240/3212/11115578604840sb.jpg

So I guess Four...er.....Stellar will be piloting this.

Looking at that gundam now, I wan't to buy the high grade model of this...

[ShinoMatrix]

I think it might only be worth it or at least best that when you buy the model of this one that you buy similarly scaled models of the other Gundams... otherwise the size thing won't be so apparent... you'll end up with a black Providence... and in terms of looks I still say Providence kicks butt.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

A white Providence II gundam would look better.
Only, give it 'Nu Gundam'-style funnels instead of Dragoon system.

[Shadowmage]

I think it might only be worth it or at least best that when you buy the model of this one that you buy similarly scaled models of the other Gundams... otherwise the size thing won't be so apparent... you'll end up with a black Providence... and in terms of looks I still say Providence kicks butt.

Note, I said "high grade." which refers to the 1/100 scale sized model. I must agree the Providence was awesome, but quite pricy.

[ShinoMatrix]

Pricy... I haven't seen the price tag on it, but I can't imagine it being much more expensive than a high grade Freedom with Meteor model...

I haven't seen one in the market yet but I think an Impulse would be one of the more interesting models that could be out there, I believe... it should be much more interchangeable in appearance... which leads me to believe that there would only be one model for each variant...

I mean, come on, each time it changes weapons configurations, it also changes colour... that'll have to be one fancy ass model if it can do that.

[Shadowmage]

Pricy... I haven't seen the price tag on it, but I can't imagine it being much more expensive than a high grade Freedom with Meteor model...

I haven't seen one in the market yet but I think an Impulse would be one of the more interesting models that could be out there, I believe... it should be much more interchangeable in appearance... which leads me to believe that there would only be one model for each variant...

I mean, come on, each time it changes weapons configurations, it also changes colour... that'll have to be one fancy ass model if it can do that.

They will probably make three seperate models for the Impulse. Either that or interchangable parts like the Zoids models.

[ShinoMatrix]

Heine dying suxors! I thought that he deserved to have had a much longer screen time, especially his Gouf which I thought kicked ass! Grrr.... He was such an easy to like character, and if the aim of the writers of Destiny is to make his death harsher for the viewers then mission accomplished.

[loner]

Well, look how long Miguel lasted. If anything, Heine's lifespan was longer for a TMR character. Of course, if they showed him in more episodes, then I might have cared more. He was likable, but I know next to zelch about who he really is, other than that he is easygoing and his Gouf kicks ass. And his death would have much more impact if they give him more screen time.

[Shadowmage]

Heine dying suxors! I thought that he deserved to have had a much longer screen time, especially his Gouf which I thought kicked ass! Grrr.... He was such an easy to like character, and if the aim of the writers of Destiny is to make his death harsher for the viewers then mission accomplished.

After watching Zeta Gundam, you just stop caring about the underdeveloped characters. You see, the Gundam franchise is something like :samurai:+:lightsabe +:voltron_l

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

Yeah, but thats what we all love about it ^_^

[ShinoMatrix]

Exactly!

Hmm... loner I can see what you mean, but I guess for me I just found that even with that small screen time there was an instant connection that was developed.

Miguel on the other hand felt to me to have deserved death somewhat... Remember, we are seeing the story now from the point of view of the coordinators (sort of) which means that we are suppose to relate to them much more personally. Miguel was the enemy in the beginning, so I felt his death was pretty easy to accept.

But of course, it's not always that way. I found Nicol's death actually quite sad, even though he was an enemy based on the story's point of view. Actually, Nicol's death was in the same level of importance to me as Tolle's death.

No one can beat Mu La Fllaga's death though... (though now that is a bit hazy :p)

[loner]

And if you've seen the new OP, that becomes even more hazy. Neo's unmasked, and well, see for yourself. Cagalli also becomes the first Seed girl to show her undies in the OP, which is just wack.

[PerfectDeath]

well the anime takes place during a war.
it doesn't matter how skilled you are once you are on the battle feild you can die at any moment.
thats one of my pet peves, PEOPLE WHO CAN'T DIE QUICK >_<
it's always the no-bodies who's mobile suits are made of pop cans and the main character's are made of friggin gundanium.
so i quite liked that little twist the anime is comming back... eitehr taht or i'm just in my happy rant mood :D

[Shadowmage]

well the anime takes place during a war.
it doesn't matter how skilled you are once you are on the battle feild you can die at any moment.
thats one of my pet peves, PEOPLE WHO CAN'T DIE QUICK >_<
it's always the no-bodies who's mobile suits are made of pop cans and the main character's are made of friggin gundanium.
so i quite liked that little twist the anime is comming back... eitehr taht or i'm just in my happy rant mood :D

This is true of any show. The main characters are immortal (until the last few episodes) and the side characters are up for butchering.

[ShinoMatrix]

This is true of any show. The main characters are immortal (until the last few episodes) and the side characters are up for butchering.



Hahaha... exactly...!

I could picture it now...

First episode...

Shinn flys off in his Core Splendour and while he is up in the air he is shot down by Stellar as he is interferring with Athrun's battle...

Everybody falls silent...

They look at the wreackage...

Cagalli says, "What the f**k?!!"

The end.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

Enjoy
http://www.geocities.jp/kenkoudaa/page100.html

http://www.geocities.jp/kenkoudaa/page023.html

[heffer]

LOL, those are f*ckin hilarious!

[ShinoMatrix]

Enjoy
http://www.geocities.jp/kenkoudaa/page100.html

http://www.geocities.jp/kenkoudaa/page023.html


Great stuff!!!

:XD

And I just have to add that those were some of the better drawn flashes I've seen recently... but then again I think it's pretty obvious that they were mostly traced from the actual show.

[PerfectDeath]

ahahaha but has anyone else noticed it too?
athran has been piling up the women lately, now in the new OP he's got 4!!! around himself.

but then Kira takes em XD

that was damn funny when i saw that.

[Shadowmage]

ahahaha but has anyone else noticed it too?
athran has been piling up the women lately, now in the new OP he's got 4!!! around himself.

but then Kira takes em XD

that was damn funny when i saw that.

Yup. Don't forget that most of the main characters of Gundam Seed have a bishiesque visage. Despite this fact, his women are nowhere near the numbers of fanboys Laquis Clein (err Mia) has.

[ShinoMatrix]

Oh gosh yeah... I love Lacus!!! :D

I mean... ah crap... seriously I love the real Lacus... Mia, is to me way toooo... perky.

The sexual inuendos of this is I think easily double of what it was in the original SEED in my opinion. Just take episode 25. Pay attention to Stellar at the end when she was lying there motionless on the c0ckpit. Very, ahem... interesting, wouldn't you say :p

[Shadowmage]

Oh gosh yeah... I love Lacus!!! :D

I mean... ah crap... seriously I love the real Lacus... Mia, is to me way toooo... perky.

The sexual inuendos of this is I think easily double of what it was in the original SEED in my opinion. Just take episode 25. Pay attention to Stellar at the end when she was lying there motionless on the c0ckpit. Very, ahem... interesting, wouldn't you say :p

Hmm they seem to have reach beyond the sights of a single female...

[PerfectDeath]

ya man she was hot >_<

but i gess when they try to juggle THREE main characters... they gotta have the protaganist with teh harem, the protagonist with teh woman he's trying to defend, and the protagonist who has to fight his love.
but all in one series O_o

[Shadowmage]

ya man she was hot >_<

but i gess when they try to juggle THREE main characters... they gotta have the protaganist with teh harem, the protagonist with teh woman he's trying to defend, and the protagonist who has to fight his love.
but all in one series O_o

Now if Kira gets Mia and Stella, it will be total pwnage.... Then again Gundam SEED Destiny will become the first Gundam with the whole hapless male surrounded by girls anime... That is not good.

[heffer]

ahahaha but has anyone else noticed it too?
athran has been piling up the women lately, now in the new OP he's got 4!!! around himself.

but then Kira takes em XD

that was damn funny when i saw that.
He losses them to Kira because he needs to learn a decent pick up line... Even Shin is picking up Athrans bad habits - (in the flash and the show) - "I have been such an idiot... I will protect you." Come on, how can you pick up girls saying crap like that?

[ShinoMatrix]

Hahaha... I think Kira overused the crying sensitive man angle a bit too much... Nowadays though he is all suited up in this leather get up with belt buckles all over his arm and he is keeping the quiet mysterious profile... man, Lacus is probably getting it good :D

[Shadowmage]

....He used to resemble Amiro from Mobile Suit Gundam... Now he resembles... Heero Yuy... Except he doesn't go around threatening his girlfriend.

[Shadowmage]

....I looked around at ANN.... Am I reading this right? (Look at production budget)
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=883

Holy crap... (Looks through his GS DVDs. The budget doesn't reflect the animation quality)
I can only wonder how much money GSD has.

[ShinoMatrix]

Oh you better believe that they are actually spending more in Destiny than ever before.

I mean, personally I can tell a distinct improvement in terms of animation quality in Destiny than in SEED. Story wise, I'm yet to make a decision if the money invested was worth it.

I can't remember the exact figures or if what I'm about to say is even correct, but roughly speaking, I think this Gundam is costing more than twice the amount that normal anime studios spend on their series anime.

[Shadowmage]

From the figures, I'm seeing (assuming that the Dollar Yen ratio is 1:100) Gundam Seed had $250,000 per episode. Errr.... I believe that Inuyasha only had give or take $30,000 per episode. (And I liked the animation for Inuyasha better.)

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

He losses them to Kira because he needs to learn a decent pick up line... Even Shin is picking up Athrans bad habits - (in the flash and the show) - "I have been such an idiot... I will protect you." Come on, how can you pick up girls saying crap like that?
Who can ever forget Shin's most effective pickup line:
"You're not going to die" :D

Anyways, has anyone else been looking at the latest design pics for the new suits coming up?

[ShinoMatrix]

"I will protect you..." I think that was the rest of that pick up line. Very powerful stuff (sarcasm hinted)...

Oh man... just saw the latest episode... I don't know if I was just too sleepy last night or if it did happen... but did Dullindal have a copy of the schematics to Destroy Gundam just like Neo did? I've suspected a fair way ago that Dullindal could not be trusted.

From the figures, I'm seeing (assuming that the Dollar Yen ratio is 1:100) Gundam Seed had $250,000 per episode. Errr.... I believe that Inuyasha only had give or take $30,000 per episode. (And I liked the animation for Inuyasha better.)


Point proven... I mean, just take a look at the big names in the musical side of things... I'd say that for a lot of the times, that money was well worth it... I just love Nami Tamaki... no to mention my other favourite singer is a seiyuu there (Maaya Sakamoto), oh and crap, how could I forget... Rie Tanaka makes me like Lacus Clyne even more...

[loner]

Now if they only bothered to use the money on better screenwriters, we'd get a lot better pick up lines than just that. But I'm glad at least the music is good. The new OP is not bad, and Rie Fu's ending is wonderful. And well, the animation is better.

And yes, Dulindal knows about Destroy. I hope that if he turns out to be the antagonist, at least he has some logic behind his action, and that they'll reveal it gradually, instead of throwing everything at us in the last few episodes just like Raww's motives.

[Shadowmage]

Knowing Tomino, Dulindal will end up just like Raww. We can only hope that he is developed enough along the way that we can sympathize with him... Kind of like Char who had a great deal of development in his last few moments.

[dark fuma]

I not really here to talk and gsd but to point out one thing. Gundam in space + kaboom = pretty pink smoke.

[ShinoMatrix]

*sigh...

Man... really... I don't think I've ever really flamed anyone... but seriously... wtf was that, dark fuma? That was a pretty crap thing to 'point' out.

I don't know if you really just wanted to be particularly stupid when you posted that but... oh gosh, I don't know... you caught me at a bad mood.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

Knowing Tomino, Dulindal will end up just like Raww. We can only hope that he is developed enough along the way that we can sympathize with him... Kind of like Char who had a great deal of development in his last few moments.
Asuran is basically Char in SEED universe.
I'm watching Gundam Zeta right now and I'll just say that Char's legacy lives on :D

I really need to watch the orginal movies though.

[Shadowmage]

Wow, now the only think Athran needs to do is to fight with Kira while some giant stone heads toward the Earth... Oh wait, they are both bishies...

[Zushio]

WTF, correct me if I'm wrong, but are people thinking that Tomino has anything to do with SEED or Destiny? Tomino hasn't been directly involved with a Gundam since Turn-A.

Frankly, Destiny is terrible, there seems to be between little and no plot and every episode seems to go whine, fanservice, showcase ripped off plot line, end. Having seen a few Gundam series, I can easily say that Destiny is the worst.

Best Gundam = Turn-A Gundam
Worst = Destiny

[Shadowmage]

Nope, he's not doing much for the project; however, his "inspiration" is being used excessively. (hack cough plagerized) The cast of about 10 script writers are trying (and failing) to get into Tomino's mindset and thus borrows (copies) many elements from the previous Gundams. The director is not doing much of a better job. Apparantly, the Gundam franchise has gone downhill since his leave. (With an all time low by Tomino at Wing) Simply put, Gundam Seed Destiny is a huge waste of Bandai's money... Except for the music.... Go and buy the soundtrack as it manages to keep the Gundam franchise from dropping from mediocrity. If you are wondering why I am still watching after this excessive rant, I'll say one thing: cliffhangers... MUST SEE THE NEXT EPISODE....

[Zushio]

(With an all time low by Tomino at Wing)

Tomino had nothing to do with Wing, it was directed by Masashi Ikeda and written by Katsuyuki Sumizawa.

The only Gundam series made by Tomino are

Mobile Suit Gundam
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
Mobile Suit Double Zeta Gundam
Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack
Mobile Suit Gundam F91
Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
∀ Gundam

But I agree, Wing was a low point, but frankly, it is better than Destiny.

[Shadowmage]

He was the original creator... Yes, like you, I blame the director and the script writers for the inferiority of this product. However, I must disagree with you that Destiny is is worse than Wing. (To each his own.)

[loner]

Well, I guess you can say Wing is more original than the Seed franchise. But I still think Seed and Destiny >>> Wing. At least the characters in Seed are more real and interesting, and the battles are more realistic. In Wing, we get some bishie whose personalities are as interesting as blocks of wood, and God-mode Gundams. Plus some of the worst scripted philosophical mumbo-jumbo I've ever heard.

[ShinoMatrix]

Well, I guess I couldn't have put it better than loner or Shadowmage... Destiny might have its downsides, but definitely it's not worse than Wing. Plus the pictures in SEED (and Destiny of course) are much prettier.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

Oddly though, Wing and Seed are more popular with the female audience than the UC stuff.

hmm... I wonder why :cool:

[heffer]

Oddly though, Wing and Seed are more popular with the female audience than the UC stuff.

hmm... I wonder why :cool:
Women are superficial obviously, they like anything thats expensive and looks good. Were we men can look at something cheap and average looking but see the true depth it has.

lol

[loner]

The fun had started. Let the great slaughter begin.

Yes, it's time to forever say goodbye to some of our characters as they make way to make our main characters angsty. First to go:

Blue-haired Phantom Pain kid. Is this supposed to hurt? I barely knew who he was....

The commanding officer of Orb also died.

Edit:

LOL, Freedom >>>>>>> Saviour. Athrun got owned so bad

[Shadowmage]

The fun had started. Let the great slaughter begin.

Yes, it's time to forever say goodbye to some of our characters as they make way to make our main characters angsty. First to go:

Blue-haired Phantom Pain kid. Is this supposed to hurt? I barely knew who he was....

The commanding officer of Orb also died.

Edit:

LOL, Freedom >>>>>>> Saviour. Athrun got owned so bad

Didn't see the episode... Yet...
Don't care about the blue haired kid. Shame they didn't make the Orb guy meet Shinn again... Kira=Amuro... When has Amuro lost against Char in an MS duel?

[ShinoMatrix]

Name of the blue hair kid (ie. pilot of Abyss) is Auel...

And man! Finally we're getting somewhere...

Though admitedly I was beginning to yawn through quite a bit of the action. It was only when The commander of the Orb fleet died and the quick snapshot of Shinn and him were shown that I all of a sudden got shivers down my spine and went all sad all of a suden... That particular event to me had much more impact than what happened to Auel...

I almost screamed to when it came to the scene with Lunamaria... I love her character and seiyuu :p

[loner]

I knew Lunamaria won't die this early, since she is still a main character. Still she got it pretty rough, while Athrun gets completely wasted by Kira. Kira suddenly develops a cruel streak, as he dismembers Saviour. Didn't understand why he had to go that far, but it was pretty cool

[heffer]

Damn, I was so sure I would get to see the Kira vs Shin duel in this episode, but it didn't happen. Still waiting for the almighty duel between kira and shin. Go Kira, Shins got NOTHING on you.

Side note - I'm also waiting for the cat fight between the lacus and fake lacus.

[ShinoMatrix]

HAHAHAHAHA... yeah, catfight!

Yeah, I was actually waiting for Shinn to pull apart Cagalli's pretty ugly Strike Rouge...

Word on the rumourgram is that she goes MIA after an encounter with Shinn... Shinn taking care of Cagalli seems to have more basis than what Kira did to Athrun...

[dark fuma]

*sigh...

Man... really... I don't think I've ever really flamed anyone... but seriously... wtf was that, dark fuma? That was a pretty crap thing to 'point' out.

I don't know if you really just wanted to be particularly stupid when you posted that but... oh gosh, I don't know... you caught me at a bad mood.


While it is odd, right? I know that I should have acted more like a gundam fanboy but it was really bugging the hell out of me. I just want to know if anyone eles noticed.

"Brother, no! *kaboom* ohh, pretty colors."

[loner]

Will it make you feel better if it was purple or something? Does it bother you so much that it is this particular color? If so, then thank god they didn't make a whole rainbow come out after each explosion.

On a more relevant note, yes rumours have been flying around about Cagalli going MIA/dying, but they say that it's going to happen in this episode. There will be a major Shinn vs. Kira battle soon, so there is a possibility this may happen then, since it may be the cause of the battle. However, there have also been other rumours about Cagalli leading an Orb opposition force against Jona. With Rambo back in the OP sequence, I'd say this have a very high possibility of coming true. How all this fit together is anyone's guess.

Anyways, next episode will be the Dulindal self-reflection episode. If done right, this will solve a lot of mysteries surrounding this man, as well as what's behind the curtains of this new war. If done badly, then we are getting another recap. Since this episode can make or break Destiny, I'm sincerely hoping it's the former.

[Shadowmage]

Anyways, next episode will be the Dulindal self-reflection episode. If done right, this will solve a lot of mysteries surrounding this man, as well as what's behind the curtains of this new war. If done badly, then we are getting another recap. Since this episode can make or break Destiny, I'm sincerely hoping it's the former.

Sadly, this scenerio is looking like an impossibility to me. Unless they get a new scriptwriter and director, I'm not getting my hopes up.

Okay, looking back at the new openning and ending who here thinks that Lunamaria and Shinn will eventually get together? ....... Or else she'll become a sister figure, and we can official write Destiny off as a Zeta clone.

[PerfectDeath]

GAh... must get new episodes >_<
falling behind.

but i would hate to see another recap... there was already two... well edited was not one so it "didn't" count... BS!!!! it counted
especialy since it will stick right in the middle of the such a high action packed battle... NEVER DO THAT >_< it completely ruins the feel.

i just finished my tsubasa cronicle post... little worked up.

EDIT: anyway... i'm not sure if shinn and lumari shack up if stellar goes away... you never know, but that might put the series back on track having a change like that... either that or they wanted to crap as many characters and flashy mobile suits in as possible into the OP while showing all of the characters and parts of other OPs...

[ShinoMatrix]

Oohh...

Stellar...

or

Lunamaria...

Now to me that's a tough choice, if we are talking about the one that would suit Shinn more.

I mean, seriously, I see a chemistry between Stellar and Shinn, but Lunamaria is what Shinn needs to create a more stable character... plus I like Lunamaria better...

Only danger of getting close with Shinn is that they risk being a Flleya, in that one or the other may end up being the one that dies... At this point, I'm not sure which of the two deserve to die...

[dark fuma]

Will it make you feel better if it was purple or something? Does it bother you so much that it is this particular color? If so, then thank god they didn't make a whole rainbow come out after each explosion.

No, I just want to understand why they exploded into a "pink cloud of death" insted of the normal fireball. I want stop asking till I get answers, damn it! Plus if it went into a rainbow of colors think my mind would exploded other into a rainbow of colors. I know its a weird thing to get upset about but I can't stand it and think the other thing is that no one has really notice, why!? I say the moment there is a pink cloud in space we need to ask why.

[loner]

I've heard about some other, more specific explanations, but I'll just give you this one: because they like it. The producers think pink explosions look good, so there are pink explosions. Think pink clouds in space is illogical? How about natural green, purple or pink hair? If there are real pink clouds in space in real life, then you should ask questions. But this is the Gundam universe, and things work according to what the producers prefer. This is their world, and they can make pigs do somersaults in the sky if they want to.

[heffer]

I've heard about some other, more specific explanations, but I'll just give you this one: because they like it. The producers think pink explosions look good, so there are pink explosions. Think pink clouds in space is illogical? How about natural green, purple or pink hair? If there are real pink clouds in space in real life, then you should ask questions. But this is the Gundam universe, and things work according to what the producers prefer. This is their world, and they can make pigs do somersaults in the sky if they want to.
Just to say this, most gaseous bodies in space are yellow or pink.

[dark fuma]

I've heard about some other, more specific explanations, but I'll just give you this one: because they like it. The producers think pink explosions look good, so there are pink explosions. Think pink clouds in space is illogical? How about natural green, purple or pink hair? If there are real pink clouds in space in real life, then you should ask questions. But this is the Gundam universe, and things work according to what the producers prefer. This is their world, and they can make pigs do somersaults in the sky if they want to.


Okay, I except your answer and will let my question die now. Thankyou.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

I knew Lunamaria won't die this early, since she is still a main character. Still she got it pretty rough, while Athrun gets completely wasted by Kira. Kira suddenly develops a cruel streak, as he dismembers Saviour. Didn't understand why he had to go that far, but it was pretty cool
Kira is very well aquainted with Asuran's self-destruct habit. He probably crippled him so he wouldn't get any bright ideas. He can still do it if he's quick though.

[PerfectDeath]

yeay ^_^ watched the episode
and i say that they must be trying to give this anime the mai-hime smack :P
because sereously they are now killing off people and drasticaly harming others along with mentaly damaging them...

I Like ^_^

[Shadowmage]

yeay ^_^ watched the episode
and i say that they must be trying to give this anime the mai-hime smack :P
because sereously they are now killing off people and drasticaly harming others along with mentaly damaging them...

I Like ^_^

Now as long as this episode doesn't remain the only great episode in the series we can start comparing it to Mai-Hime.

[ShinoMatrix]

Kira is very well aquainted with Asuran's self-destruct habit. He probably crippled him so he wouldn't get any bright ideas. He can still do it if he's quick though.


Eh eh eh... this is so true, yet I didn't notice it till you pointed it out now :p

Still, it doesn't answer Kira's increase in agression... I didn't think Athrun was anywhere near that direction at that point in the story...

[heffer]

Eh eh eh... this is so true, yet I didn't notice it till you pointed it out now :p

Still, it doesn't answer Kira's increase in agression... I didn't think Athrun was anywhere near that direction at that point in the story...
Kira has to be agressive though. He knows, if he gets shot down, it will be bye bye Archangel. Also, Athrun is a capabable piliot, that could hurt him, better to put him out of the game quick and not let him get in any punches.

[loner]

yeay ^_^ watched the episode
and i say that they must be trying to give this anime the mai-hime smack :P
because sereously they are now killing off people and drasticaly harming others along with mentaly damaging them...

I Like ^_^


Nah, killing people left and right is actually a trademark Gundam plot device. We are supposed to see a lot of killing in these episodes. Remember what Tomino was infamous for in Gundam Z? And since Destiny is, um, using Z as a reference, of course there will be characters dying and others going through hell.

Plus the two that actually died are only secondary characters, and I don't see how they will affect the main characters too much. The orb commander's death at the hands of Shinn may be a future cause of more angst from Shinn, but that's it.

[Zushio]

yeay ^_^ watched the episode
and i say that they must be trying to give this anime the mai-hime smack :P
because sereously they are now killing off people and drasticaly harming others along with mentaly damaging them...

I Like ^_^

Yeah, see, thats a Gundam thing, or more specifially a Tominio thing. There is a reason why his nickname is (or rather was, he's mellowed) "Kill 'Em All Tominio"

Hell, Zeta Gundam he polishes off a tonne of people, and if you ever see Aura Battler Dunbine he:

seriously kills off all but one named character, a tonne of non-named, and many other assorted life forms. Seriously, like 80 people get offed.

Or better yet, Space Runaway Ideon, while the series ends before its planned ending, the second movie went on to finish of what Tomino had in mind, mainly:

using the power of the Ideon to blow up the whole damned universe. Seriously, wiped out existence in that one he did. But not before killing off most of the main cast in horribly violent ways, including incredibly graphic execution style deaths of small children, decapitaitons, murder of pregnant women, and lots of planets exploding.
Also, Ideon is considered one of the primary influences for everyone perenial overhyped fav, Evangelion.


And don't misunderstand what I've written as saying Tomino has any involvement with Destiny.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

Well, it has to be said the Kira is showing his Heero Yui side right now (as opposed to his usual Amurao Ray).
Basically he's like this:
http://www.geocities.jp/kenkoudaa/page096.html

Asuran is loosing his angst-magic powers:
http://www.geocities.jp/kenkoudaa/page100.html

I love these flashes, they come from here:
http://www.geocities.jp/kenkoudaa/page023.html

[ShinoMatrix]

I love these flashes, they come from here:
http://www.geocities.jp/kenkoudaa/page023.html


Hahahaha... I was gonna say... and there's quite a fair few of them too...

Oh man, I'm running out of things to say... why can't the next episode come out now!!!1! :D

[PerfectDeath]

well i have not watched any of teh gundam series befor wing came out... so yes i have not seen teh best... i've been watching the worst
so i do not know about him killing off everyone so thanks for spoiling *leerz*
meh :P it is all good i'll go prattle my brother to dowload zeta and the others.

but if you think about it this anime takes place during a war, so you can die in a split second... ever watch saving private ryan?
the first scene shows exactly what i mean.
warsa are like that but i've noticed that most anime move away from that reality, i'd really like to watch one that shows that frailty.

[loner]

Well you have seen Seed right? And Seed have this same thing as well.

At about the same time as this episode, Nicol gets totaled by Kira. Few episodes later, Tolle gets beheaded, and Athrun and Kira had their little infamous death match. Those were IMO Seed's best episodes. Things then went downhill from there....

And well, I don't think we spoiled anything concerning Zeta. We just warned you that a lot of people will die, which ANY person should know before they go anywhere near Zeta. We didn't really name any names.

[Shadowmage]

well i have not watched any of teh gundam series befor wing came out... so yes i have not seen teh best... i've been watching the worst
so i do not know about him killing off everyone so thanks for spoiling *leerz*
meh :P it is all good i'll go prattle my brother to dowload zeta and the others.

but if you think about it this anime takes place during a war, so you can die in a split second... ever watch saving private ryan?
the first scene shows exactly what i mean.
warsa are like that but i've noticed that most anime move away from that reality, i'd really like to watch one that shows that frailty.

Err.... Watch Elfen Lied and you'll be permanently numb to underdevloped character's deaths. I must admit that I felt something when the Orb leader died, showing that Bandai did a good job portraying the character. (Additional praise for Bandai for the well placed dramtic irony.)

[PerfectDeath]

well i did realise that this big battle scene they put in the middle is about the same as the one from seed... coincidence?? probably not.

but man... finding old licenced anime is hard >_<
not just annoying... but hard, for google cannot help me :'(
the world is ending... i feel my own dramatic conclusion comming...

but i do hope that they keep up the same style rather than go all seed style were Shinn will get new moblie suit after fighting kira because Mr. corrupt chairman will want kira dead so Shin goes around all godly and Destroy does the same... battles, weird seed action etc.

but this show does have some positives hopefully because i think seed was an introduction to build up the questions for destiny because we still do not know what a seed is and pretty much all of the questions from the first are brought over to the sequil.

[ShinoMatrix]

Well, I'm as optimistic as you in this regard, PerfectDeath.

I know that there were a lot of disappointments that came out of SEED, but to me it still ranks in my top 10 any day of the week and twice on Sundays. With Destiny, I see that they've made things prettier and crispier with the animation, the story (without prior knowledge of its predecesor it's supposedly ripping off from) is presenting itself rather well, but as again, a fair few questions still need answering which should probably not be rushed or left for a third SEED...

As it stands, to me at least, Destiny at this point can end up being horribly bad or absolutely good. I don't think mediocrity is where it's heading for... one way or the other the opinion on this will probably be in the extreme ends of the scale.

[PerfectDeath]

i am a scepticist... but i have been very shallow with most of the anime i have lately been reveiwing, but seed was pretty good when you look at it the way i first did, not in the shadows of the first gundams, same with the begining of seed destiny, but then i've gotten into my sceptical mood.

so maybe i'm just asking a little too much :?
either way all we can do is wait, or tear apart all that the anime has shown us.
inno... sleepy, bed time.

[ShinoMatrix]

Hmm... is recap episode the term to use for that last episode?

I don't think so... it was a flashback episode... and I guess if you were unfamiliar with the original SEED, then it has done its job well... but of course most of us here are going to start complaining so let me be the first to say what I think :p

No action or real progression happened in this episode but more importantly, I believed plotwise it actually even went backwards because it opened up more questions than it answered...

What the freaking hell is the connection with Dullindal and Clueze?

I have to admit though, that little bit (and I mean little) of the story was quite interesting, but I so hope they do not disappoint in answering it. I love this line in particular: "A path that is not chosen is like a path that never existed before."

I'm only hoping the answer to it is not in this philosophical stand that they love taking in Gundam, but in a more "this guy did it and that guy killed and cloned that guy" kind of explanation.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

What the freaking hell is the connection with Dullindal and Clueze?


Dullindal IS Krueze, he just died his hair. Hell, if Mwu can do it, so can he ;)

[ShinoMatrix]

Dullindal IS Krueze, he just died his hair. Hell, if Mwu can do it, so can he ;)


Or twins :p

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

Or twins :p

Dullindal: No Mwu, I am your father :D

[Shadowmage]

Dullindal: No Mwu, I am your father :D
Dullindal: No Mwu, I am your father('s Asian brother) :D

[ShinoMatrix]

Hahahaha... seriously, was there a need to put in spoiler any of the post above :p

[loner]

You never know, that may come true in the future. XD

Ok a huge rumour has been spreading about Destroy. Stellar is confirmed to be the pilot of Destroy, yet apparently that monstrosity will only las for 2/3 episodes, before it gets totalled by Freedom (who else?). And....(don't read on if you really don't want to get spoiled)....






Stellar dies.

[ShinoMatrix]

Ah geez... I guess it was my fault, since you not only put your latest input from the rumourgram in spoiler tags, you also explicitly said there was going to be a big spoiler in there...

But dude... if what you say does happen... Oh man... dude... I don't know if I can handle it :p

[loner]

Sorry, sorry. I guess we need multiple spoiler tags for these kind of things eh? And since it's on Gunota and the magazines, well, I won't say it definitely will happen, but the chances are rather big.

And StellarXShinn was starting to look a bit promising. If they...um...do THAT this soon, well, unless they go back to touch up on Stellar's character a bit more in the future, I won't be happy. And unfortunately, this will invite comparison with Zeta.

All that deal with Destroy, and it gets YAMATOWNED almost immediately. Feels a bit like an anticlimax...

[heffer]

It would bring rise to shin being kira's rival though... By the way Kira needs a rival bad and Athran just doesn't seem up to the role anymore.

Still waiting for the future battle between kira and shin. Still waiting...

[Shadowmage]

Ah geez... I guess it was my fault, since you not only put your latest input from the rumourgram in spoiler tags, you also explicitly said there was going to be a big spoiler in there...

But dude... if what you say does happen... Oh man... dude... I don't know if I can handle it :p

Recall my Lunimaria theory... :devil (Yes, I am evil.)

Chances say that Stellar will die by a)Shinn b)Kira.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

I've been watching Zeta Gundam alongside this right now and some of the similarities are pretty cool. It makes things ominous for Stellar's future though.
Extended Stellar = Cyber-Newtype Rosamia?

It would bring rise to shin being kira's rival though... By the way Kira needs a rival bad and Athran just doesn't seem up to the role anymore.

Still waiting for the future battle between kira and shin. Still waiting...
Asuran just needs a little time to refill his Angst-o-meter. His Pimp'n powers must've left him spent.

Still, we can always look forward to the movie: 'Asuran's Counterstrike' :cool:

[Shadowmage]

Asuran just needs a little time to refill his Angst-o-meter. His Pimp'n powers must've left him spent.

Still, we can always look forward to the movie: 'Asuran's Counterstrike' :cool:

lol. We just need a convenient way to get rid of Cagali... (Forsees Cagali's Gundam being shot down. Yes, Kira and Shinn will fight. Just before Kira deals the finishing blow, Cagali's Gundam shall get in the way and *Kaboom*. Kira will be POed. Athrun will go insane and go into hiding until the movie.)

[ShinoMatrix]

Hahahahaha! Ah, yes 'Athrun's Counterstrike'... I almost dare them to go that far...

Can anyone even remember the last time that Athrun ever went on SEED mode (in Destiny I mean)? Well, as far as I remember, the last time he had a major skirmish (not counting when he got pwn by Kira) was during the fall of Junius 7... I can't remember if he went on SEED mode then, but I doubt it...

[loner]

I've been watching Zeta Gundam alongside this right now and some of the similarities are pretty cool. It makes things ominous for Stellar's future though.
Extended Stellar = Cyber-Newtype Rosamia?

It would bring rise to shin being kira's rival though... By the way Kira needs a rival bad and Athran just doesn't seem up to the role anymore.

Still waiting for the future battle between kira and shin. Still waiting...
Asuran just needs a little time to refill his Angst-o-meter. His Pimp'n powers must've left him spent.

Still, we can always look forward to the movie: 'Asuran's Counterstrike' :cool:


I'd say Stellar's character is more like Four. Made for the purpose of making the main characters angst. Though she could be a combination of Four and Rosamia.

After all, Psyco = Destroy.

lol Asuran's Counterstrike. Does that mean he will get a mask as well?

[Shadowmage]

lol Asuran's Counterstrike. Does that mean he will get a mask as well?

Yup, as soon as Kira gets curly hair. (Enter Afro Gundam.)

[Kaioshin_Sama]

Nah, killing people left and right is actually a trademark Gundam plot device. We are supposed to see a lot of killing in these episodes. Remember what Tomino was infamous for in Gundam Z? And since Destiny is, um, using Z as a reference, of course there will be characters dying and others going through hell.

Plus the two that actually died are only secondary characters, and I don't see how they will affect the main characters too much. The orb commander's death at the hands of Shinn may be a future cause of more angst from Shinn, but that's it.

One character is introduced only to die the next episode without any development, and another was there for most of the series so far, and yet we knew nothing about him. I find myself wondering if Fukuda has the guts to kill of an important character like Tomino does, since that is when we can see the characters develop and evolve as a result of that death. However, all Fukuda seems to care about is ratings and selling those all important model kits, so I don't see anyone like Kira, Athrun or Shinn dying.

[ShinoMatrix]

I don't know... I think the commander wasn't just a character that was introduced from the previous episode to die, so to speak. He definitely had enough screen time and at least some familiarity in him that when he finally did die, it meant something... that episode truly was on the emotional side, whoever died.

[loner]

Nah, killing people left and right is actually a trademark Gundam plot device. We are supposed to see a lot of killing in these episodes. Remember what Tomino was infamous for in Gundam Z? And since Destiny is, um, using Z as a reference, of course there will be characters dying and others going through hell.

Plus the two that actually died are only secondary characters, and I don't see how they will affect the main characters too much. The orb commander's death at the hands of Shinn may be a future cause of more angst from Shinn, but that's it.

One character is introduced only to die the next episode without any development, and another was there for most of the series so far, and yet we knew nothing about him. I find myself wondering if Fukuda has the guts to kill of an important character like Tomino does, since that is when we can see the characters develop and evolve as a result of that death. However, all Fukuda seems to care about is ratings and selling those all important model kits, so I don't see anyone like Kira, Athrun or Shinn dying.


And that's why I think Seed Destiny is so far secondary to Zeta in every aspect. Fukuda is trying to recreate Zeta, yet he is showing he is lacking compared with Tomino. Though the Orb commander's death was not done badly, you have to say. There was some emotional impact, but unfortunately he's not that important.

But if the latest rumour comes true, then a main character will die, and the death will resemble another death in Zeta very closely.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

I'd say Stellar's character is more like Four. Made for the purpose of making the main characters angst. Though she could be a combination of Four and Rosamia.

After all, Psyco = Destroy.

lol Asuran's Counterstrike. Does that mean he will get a mask as well?
Well he already had the Sunglasses and alias.
lol "Alex Dennon" I don't know how he expected to keep that up without keeping the glasses for more than one ep :P

[PerfectDeath]

well one thing thats for sure, it doesn't seem to be going along with seed, but maybe they will at least explain teh hole "seed" thing and go deeper into kira's origins, the flashback episode did open some doors to explain some of this... eitehr that or we wait till the next sequil.

i wouldn't mind seeing Athrun going psyco.
but hey we know were the eternal is hiding ^_^

[ShinoMatrix]

but hey we know were the eternal is hiding ^_^

Not really... all I could tell is that it is near some rocks. :p

On a similar topic, would anyone care to suggest where the last of three ships is? Arcangel is underwater, Eternal is hiding on some rocks... Where's the Kusonagi? (I think that's the name of the ship)

[loner]

Well, we see Rambo in the third OP. Chances are Kusanagi is with him, hiding somewhere in Orb. We may very well see him and the ship when Cagalli decides to get her act together.

[PerfectDeath]

maybe... but hopefuly the poop hits the fan... it didn't really do anything chaotic yet, just slightely dramatic or emotional.

[Shadowmage]

maybe... but hopefuly the poop hits the fan... it didn't really do anything chaotic yet, just slightely dramatic or emotional.

I wouldn't mind some "good" action scenes either. Let me be frank, the Non-Tomino Gundams are known for its a) music b) action. Gundam Seed Destiny had some nice scenes, but they are nowhere near the level of Gundam Wing Endless Waltz. (Which is sad as this came about a decade later)

[ShinoMatrix]

Interesting little episode we had...

Though I can't help but keep thinking back to a scene in SEED where Kira gives back Lacus to Athrun... I reckon though that this one was somewhat more rushed, and yet was a little more powerfully made in terms of emotion because Shinn has really taken a liking to Stellar...

[Shadowmage]

Interesting little episode we had...

Though I can't help but keep thinking back to a scene in SEED where Kira gives back Lacus to Athrun... I reckon though that this one was somewhat more rushed, and yet was a little more powerfully made in terms of emotion because Shinn has really taken a liking to Stellar...
This sets up the theory that Kira would destory Destroy...
Personally, I think Shinn having to shoot Stellar would be more powerful. (But then again it would be too "Zeta"ish. Shinn would really mature as a character though...)

[heffer]

This sets up the theory that Kira would destory Destroy...
Personally, I think Shinn having to shoot Stellar would be more powerful. (But then again it would be too "Zeta"ish. Shinn would really mature as a character though...)
I can't see shin killing her though... He made a promise after all. I doubt he will break it.

It does set up the whole Shin fighting Kira to stop Kira from fighting Stellar. After getting his as kicked by Kira, he helplessly watches Stellar get killed. After this two different things could happen. 1) He cries, cries some more, and sulks in his room afterwards. 2) Goes into seed mood, attacks Kira, action packed fight ensues…

[Shadowmage]

I can't see shin killing her though... He made a promise after all. I doubt he will break it.

It does set up the whole Shin fighting Kira to stop Kira from fighting Stellar. After getting his as kicked by Kira, he helplessly watches Stellar get killed. After this two different things could happen. 1) He cries, cries some more, and sulks in his room afterwards. 2) Goes into seed mood, attacks Kira, action packed fight ensues…
I wonder what will happen if Shinn kills Lacus for revenge... This will make for great drama, but are they willing to do such a bold move?

[loner]

Heh, that would be interesting ne? But then Fukuda will be rampaged and decapitated by the mob of Lacus' fans. He is trying to be Tomino, but he lacks Tomino's guts when it comes to killing his characters.

I wonder when the new Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice will show up. Actually, I am more interested in how Freedom gets totaled, when supposedly even Destroy can't deal with it.

[ShinoMatrix]

Gah!

I will be there on Fukuda's doorsteps with pitchforks and all, joining the angry mob demanding for blood to be shed if Lacus ever gets killed off :D

The next chain of events seem formulaic but definitely can lead to a choice of different directions...

[Shadowmage]

Gah!

I will be there on Fukuda's doorsteps with pitchforks and all, joining the angry mob demanding for blood to be shed if Lacus ever gets killed off :D

The next chain of events seem formulaic but definitely can lead to a choice of different directions...
Geez, no wonder Fukuda can't be bold. He doesn't want to have large target on his back like Anno Hideaki. (Ironically, fans can only sulk when Lacus dies if Tomino kills her... Popularity is everything.)

[ShinoMatrix]

Hehe... of course popularity is everything :p

I am all for my favourite heroines and there are two characters that I feel I will raise hell for if they are ever killed off... Lunamaria and Lacus... screw Cagalli, let Stellar die... as long as those two survive, I'm ok :D I already had a hard time seeing Lunamaria, not only attacked but actually pommelled by missile after missile... She is so awesome to have survived that... :D

[Shadowmage]

I am all for my favourite heroines and there are two characters that I feel I will raise hell for if they are ever killed off... Lunamaria and Lacus... screw Cagalli, let Stellar die... as long as those two survive, I'm ok :D I already had a hard time seeing Lunamaria, not only attacked but actually pommelled by missile after missile... She is so awesome to have survived that... :D
The funny thing about Lunamaria is that she hasn't got a scar on her. (Geez, everybody needs to be pretty...)
Kill off everybody, but Lacus... I'd be fine. She is the only character that did not irk me at all. (You become cold hearted after what Shinchiro Watanabe does to you *sniff poor Spike)

[loner]

Actually, Lacus seemed almost surreal to me in Seed. She had great potential, but never really met it in Seed, since she didn't get enough screen time. I'd much rather see her more than Fllay flirting with Klueze, thank you. Well, I'm glad they're continuing to put some focus on her in Destiny, but her character is still rather unnatural. So if Fukuda kills her off now I'd be royally pissed too, cause she is his best character.

Hmm, Kira has not cried once in Destiny, but Cagalli cries in every episode she shows up. And while I think Shinn is a self-centered, arrogant little bastard, I cheered him on when he dissed Athrun for angsting in a dark corner/a dark room/wherever.

[heffer]

-Kira has killed too many people to cry over killing them any more.
-Shin needs to be taught a lesson, god do I find him to be a conceited brat!
-Athran needs to pull it together, his whole woe is me thing is getting old.

Things i’m waiting to see -
Shin vs Kira battle
Fake Lacus vs Real Lacus

What do you think Athran would do if Cagalli died? What would Kira do?

Yep, I think it would be a good plot devise to kill of all the blondes! You know what a shower scene of Cagalli means she is going to die. Maybe not but in Zeta any female character about to die tends to get a shower or bath scene.

[loner]

Lol but in Seed/Destiny, every character had a shower/bath scene. In seed, Kira had one, Athrun had one, Milly had one, and I think Cagalli had two. O_o And in Destiny, Cagalli and Lacus shared a bath while Kira was peeking in another pond, Athrun had yet another one, Luna had one and the latest is Talia having one. So yeah, shower scenes in CE doesn't seem to be harbingers like in UC, but rather just pure fun fanservice. :D

[Shadowmage]

-Kira has killed too many people to cry over killing them any more.
-Shin needs to be taught a lesson, god do I find him to be a conceited brat!
-Athran needs to pull it together, his whole woe is me thing is getting old.

Things i’m waiting to see -
Shin vs Kira battle
Fake Lacus vs Real Lacus

What do you think Athran would do if Cagalli died? What would Kira do?

Yep, I think it would be a good plot devise to kill of all the blondes! You know what a shower scene of Cagalli means she is going to die. Maybe not but in Zeta any female character about to die tends to get a shower or bath scene.
Actually, I thought almost all the girls in Zeta had a shower scene... (If not all.)

If Cagalli died, Athrun's Counterattack ahoy!

[PerfectDeath]

well should that ever happen... i'll be waiting at my computer to see the next episose ^_^
even if lacis is killed off, tha'd be the bomb... i find lacis to be quite weird...she showed no development in seed for that sudden maturation... it was quite weird and didn't make sense... unless she was always like that just put on a happy face... then there was no development... at least now she is having development.

[Shadowmage]

well should that ever happen... i'll be waiting at my computer to see the next episose ^_^
even if lacis