The Gundam SEED Destiny Thread

[Ender]

Ara ra,

And of course they borrowed story elements from the UC series.

Story elements...and mobile suits. The Destroy Gundam was the Psycho Gundam, except with a rocket punch. I shall forever know it as the "Psycho Mazinger Gundam."

Except cooler battles. Impulse vs. Freedom was really cool, but storywise and characterwise, there's only slight improvements.


What upsets me as a long-time follower of the Gundam franchise, why did it take up till episode 36 to unveil the Destiny Gundam? Traditionally, the titular Gundam would have appeared at least 10 episodes prior.

Although I hold off on judging till the very end of the series, but with (assumed) 14-15 episodes left I feel as if Seed Destiny has fallen into the same pacing trap as Seed.

Ep. 36
Destiny is so going to own that Gouf. Gouf's only reason of existence is to get owned by Gundams.

Though Goufs have ultimately lost all the battles they've taken part in (everytime I read that I can't help but laugh), they still manage to hold their own and cause quite a bit of damage before becoming beam-saber bait.

So, Athrun might be able to pull something off...like his own arm! BAM! ^_^

-Prof. Ender

[loner]

/me chokes on his own spit and coughs like an idiot

...nah I will just wait until you watch the episode.

just don't bet any money on Athrun winning ^_-

What really disturbs me is that they have developed Athrun's character all over again, the same way it was done in Seed. In Seed, Athrun followed the wrong guy (his father) and was fighting for the wrong reasons. It took a fight with Kira to clear his mind, and he appeared to be on the 'right way'. Then in Destiny he joined the wrong side AGAIN, this time fooled by Dulindal, and was fighting for the wrong purpose again. And Kira had to fight him again (though that was rather 1-sided) and knock some sense into him. He just made the same mistake again, which shows that all the 'character development' in Seed was for nought. Surely Fukuda can come up with better plots and characters than this.

Recycling UC plot elements is one thing, but reusing plot elements from Seed is another. Surely you can be more original than this.

Or not.

[Shadowmage]

Story elements...and mobile suits. The Destroy Gundam was the Psycho Gundam, except with a rocket punch. I shall forever know it as the "Psycho Mazinger Gundam."
I guess you've found your eyecatch line for your review.


I still say that Shinn should kill Lacus. That will give the Kira/Shinn rivalry a level boost similar to the Jerid/Kamille rivalry. (Classic drama right there... If they get new scriptwriters.)

[‚È‚¾‚êFROST]

Over in Japan they're making a pretty big deal out of this, to the point where its become, from what I can reason, the primary focus of "culture" (for lack of a better word). I can only speculate though, that this is merely a typical reaction to the offspring of such a legendary series like Gundam.

[ShinoMatrix]

*loner chokes on his own spit and coughs like an idiot

...nah I will just wait until you watch the episode.

just don't bet any money on Athrun winning ^_-


Well... I don't know... maybe, deep down inside, Shinn may not have it in him to do someone, which, though tangible the tie is, he has developed at least some attachment to. In my opinion, if Athrun does get the ass end of a deutron beam weapon, it won't be because of Shinn... Legend Gundam is being deployed as well, ain't it?

Plus, as I said previously, I'm going to be royally pissed if Meylin Hawke goes the way of the dodo... :(

Story elements...and mobile suits. The Destroy Gundam was the Psycho Gundam, except with a rocket punch. I shall forever know it as the "Psycho Mazinger Gundam."
I guess you've found your eyecatch line for your review.


I still say that Shinn should kill Lacus. That will give the Kira/Shinn rivalry a level boost similar to the Jerid/Kamille rivalry. (Classic drama right there... If they get new scriptwriters.)


Hehe... Ender is obviously trolling this thread... I thought he quit this ages ago :XD:

[loner]

Shino: There's a reason I put that in a spoiler tag. :P

Yes I know...Bad Loner! Bad Loner!
/me slaps himself with a dirty rag

However, it seems like Athrun and Meyrin won't be following the trail of T-Rex. Of course don't take that as 100% truth, but that's unless the magazine scans lie, or Fukuda had a sudden change of mind. (which when you think about it, happens quite a lot)

[Shadowmage]

Episode 37... The show is definitely moving...
This pretty much screwed any chance Shinn had with Lunamaria... Bye, bye mini-Luna, you were developed as much as any filler character, but your character design made you a fan favorite.

[Itachi Uchiha]

Main Character = Immortal! They have scriptorce on their side... I foresee lots of good action in the future.

[Phix]

I knew Athrun had no chance but I was really hoping he'd do much more damage than just blow up Shinn's rifle. I was kind of expecting him to go into seed mode. Oh well, can't wait until Athrun finally gets a proper mobile suit.

[PerfectDeath]

well it's interesting to see some development on ALL the characters. well exept for kira, but i still like how i'm seeing Shinn develop, he's becoming quite the puppet aint he.

[loner]

Episode 37... The show is definitely moving...
This pretty much screwed any chance Shinn had with Lunamaria... Bye, bye mini-Luna, you were developed as much as any filler character, but your character design made you a fan favorite.


Well, not according to the way things are going. If anything, it drove Luna towards Shinn for some warped reason. Mini-Luna doesn't look like she's snuffed it yet either, since it appears she and Athrun are in the med room together recovering. I don't bet on any more development on her though

New OP and ED, and damn Lacus looks hot/cool in that ninja outfit. Cagalli's got herself a gold bling-bling Gundam as well. Dunno 'bout you, but I thought it looked rather horrid to me.

New OP images: http://dat.2chan.net/18/src/1120905713291.jpg

[Shadowmage]

Well, not according to the way things are going. If anything, it drove Luna towards Shinn for some warped reason. Mini-Luna doesn't look like she's snuffed it yet either, since it appears she and Athrun are in the med room together recovering. I don't bet on any more development on her though

New OP and ED, and damn Lacus looks hot/cool in that ninja outfit. Cagalli's got herself a gold bling-bling Gundam as well. Dunno 'bout you, but I thought it looked rather horrid to me.

New OP images: http://dat.2chan.net/18/src/1120905713291.jpg
I wouldn't be too surprised if Meylin is alive, but in the case she did die, it would kill any chance with Lunamaria... Well, if they do start a relationship... The wedding day would be horrible...
Shinn: I have a secret I want to tell you...
Luna: What
Shinn: Well, I kinda killed your sister
*Cricket noise in the background...

As for the gold Gundam... Meh, that looks like Char's old mobile suit in Zeta... :migrane:

[loner]

As for the gold Gundam... Meh, that looks like Char's old mobile suit in Zeta... :migrane:


:o

I knew I've seen it somewhere. I was blinded by the shiny shit and can only think of Saint Seiya, but you're right!

Oh well, it's kinda expected.

[Itachi Uchiha]

What were they thinking when they decided to use that music for the opening... I want a replacement op for this immediately!

[Shadowmage]

What were they thinking when they decided to use that music for the opening... I want a replacement op for this immediately!
I feel your pain... The music for the openning is mediocre by far, which in the Gundam world, means it sucks. The ending song was pleasant though... (Is it just me or has the music just lost a lot of edge?)

[loner]

Wow, I agree with Itachi and Shadowmage, the OP does suck, and more importantly does not fit the series at all. The ED was See-Saw, so naturally it is good, but I actually expected more, considering Kajiura-san's recent works in Tsubasa have been marvellous to say the least.

Cool battles again the highlight of this episode, but WTF? 5 Destroys just get pwned like that? Wasn't that thing supposed to be the baddest muthaf*cka around? Even Luna is owning them like they are cannon fodders.

I detest the character development and interaction in Destiny. If my memory serves me right, Luna was asking Athrun to be 'harder' towards Shinn and is generally put off by his haughty attitude. Now she's suddenly making out with Shinn and calling Athrun mad? Didn't she spy on him and has the most inside info? And it's not just this, Destiny is full of inconsistent character development. What happened to the sister rivalry between Luna and Mini-Luna? What about Luna's fits of jealousy towards Meer for sleeping with Athrun and her obvious attempt to flirt with him? And is the connection-thingy between Mwu/Klueze/Rey ever going to be explained?

Argh, so many questions is making my head turn. I'll just focus on the pretty fights from now on. Ooooh, shiny, gold Gundam.......

[ShinoMatrix]

Hahaha... shiny indeed...

*sigh*

The new OP was a total let-down... at first... but somehow as it progressed, I actually sort of got more and more comofortable with it... still it still does not have the kick I was looking for, the kick I had grown accustomed to... *sigh*

The ending OP though was tons better. Both because of See Saws music and also, as you said Loner, the image of Ninja Lacus... that was just fsking hot!

[Shadowmage]

Regarding the new OP. Our friends at *****Suki forums had fun creating their own versions of the intro... Here are some of the highlights: (Note: I'll throw credit to asw and Gouryuujin)

http://www.hanyou.net/temp/OP4-KiraStyle.avi
http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=28KY2MHWLIW341LNM4EHSMH0VK
(The first is actually pretty good... The second is there because of... its err randomness.)

[Itachi Uchiha]

lol, that first one is good!

This second one is taking forever to download... *waiting* *waiting*

[Shadowmage]

lol, that first one is good!

This second one is taking forever to download... *waiting* *waiting*
You'll hate me for the second one... The music is... Trash... But it evokes a feeling of nostalgia. (And the urge to rip your ears out.)

[Itachi Uchiha]

You'll hate me for the second one... The music is... Trash... But it evokes a feeling of nostalgia. (And the urge to rip your ears out.)
lol, that's as nostolgic as you can get. I actually thought it was a clever thought, but if you watch the animation and listen to the music at the same time it doesn't work. You have to just listen to the music and remember the original...

[Shadowmage]

Phase 39.

I'm getting used to the intro song, even though I think the ending song was better suited to be the intro...

Kira gets a little bling bling on his Gundam as well. (Sounds good on paper, but looks awkward in my opinion.) The action seems to have picked up permanently for the last quarter... Even though it is still financed by re-used cels. Oh, and are those funnels I see?

Oh yeah and more:

Lacus: Kira...
Kira: Lacus...
Lacus: Kira...
Kira: Lacus...
Lacus: Kira...
Kira: Lacus...
Shadowmage: Your friends are dying out there...
*Kira pwns everything...

[PerfectDeath]

yes the openbing is TERIBLE, doesn't fit, gave me the tough of stoping jsut because of the intro song. But then i had to see if they killed lacus in the next episode ^_^

also the ninja suit scenes O_o
but thats why there is the ability to jump through the opening so you just see the begining and the ending.

[Itachi Uchiha]

The music all-around seems to be at a different level than before... They should just use Gundam Seeds music over again. I wouldn't care, considering it would be better than what there doing now.

Strike-Freedom = Total Ownage!

Freedom is my all time favorite mobile suit. I guess Strike-Freedom just couldn’t live up to my high expectations. I liked the regular Freedom more because it just... Well, this Strike-Freedom is to untouchable or invincible... Freedom was pretty invincible too though, wasn’t it? It might just be that Freedom was introduced with much better music than Strike-Freedom.

[ShinoMatrix]

Actually, I reckon the choir music that just burst open when Kira first glanced at Strike Freedom was so on the spot! I had goosebumps all over.

So this is what happens when you don't read spoilers and Gundam specs on the internet. I was satisfyingly surprised to see Strike Freedom in action plain and simply because I wasn't expecting anything at all.

In comparisson, though, I believe at first look, Kira is now in a positionto pwn Shinn once more. Strike Freedom is nuclear as well, right? Is Destiny nuclear, I can't remember. I still don't get what the purpose is of that energy-wing thing on Destiny.

[PerfectDeath]

makes it look pretty and go all blurry and stuff.

bah you guys and your early gundam subers <_<
i get the good suber's instead so i don't get to see the ep till wednsday.

At least you aren't spoiling as much without the spoiler tags. <_<

[ShinoMatrix]

Hahahaha... let's not get into this discussion, or else we might see :roark:and then we're done for...

[PerfectDeath]

well i managed to get this episode early O_O
and i did enjoy the muicis for when the freedom was first shown, did make me feel tingley, but then there was this drastic change that reminds me all to well of the new OP... still hate it i scurry to skip it. <_< but anyway enough complaining about that, the music was good for the strike freedom battle, but it wasn't as good as the freedoms.

Also the strike freedom had a couple of easy to spot re-used cells,.
1: when kira was launching, he said "freedom" not strike freedom, so it was exactly the same as all his other launches in the freedom. Then the all to familiar scene from the OP that shows the strike freedom blasting away was used in this battle... the one they showed dozens of times in the OP they decided to ACUTALY use it in a battle O_o it was a very akward part ~_~

the strike freedom seems like a mix between both the legend and the destiny.

but at least they are answering some FRIGGIN QUESTION.
but their generating more <_<
all in the last few episodes. They are going to do their classical last ep cram.

[ShinoMatrix]

Hahaha... we should all be used to it by now I suppose...

[PerfectDeath]

sadly...

[Itachi Uchiha]

Damn! That opening is really starting to annoy me! It’s driving me insane!

Episode 40 - Zaft attacks Orb, the Golden Will arises...

Grrr! It ended with Cagalli vs Shin. To make things worse, Athruns incapacitated, and Kira is in space.

It would be interesting if Cagalli dies. Then Athrun would have ample reason to go kill Shin. Well, Kira would want him dead to but I want to see Athrun teach Shin a lesson more so.

[loner]

Next episode appears to be a recap. ****.


And Cagalli doesn't die. She gets the smackdown handed to her by Shinn, but gets
saved by....you know who.

Lacus gets in a Gundam! She even has her own custom-made flight suit!

[Sunami 366]

Sadly I haven't watched the whole series, but i loved the first 11 episodes!! meh..... :(


Cheers,

[ShinoMatrix]

As much as we are not allowed to talk about fansubs around here, I just have to say it... that was a thoroughly amusing episode when things go awry from your sources... (damn waste of bandwidth)...

On a partially positive note:

That golden gundam (Akatsuki) wasn't as much of an eye sore as I thought it would be. And it doesn't seem to be just another Strike derviative either, though that might just be because I haven't looked at it more closely.

[PerfectDeath]

what is with the sudden uprise of the invincible sheilds <_< that suddenly deploy... ANYWERE O_o
what is the point of the akatsuki's sheild if it can reflect beams off it's chest >_<

[Shadowmage]

what is with the sudden uprise of the invincible sheilds <_< that suddenly deploy... ANYWERE O_o
what is the point of the akatsuki's sheild if it can reflect beams off it's chest >_<
Maybe Akatsuki doesn't have a nuclear drive so it is used as a last resort.

[PerfectDeath]

i don't even think it has phase armor... or at least it is always on, you don't see it all grey n stuff, jsut gold all the time.

[ShinoMatrix]

Oh but you know, it reflects the sun's rays, and then, you know, it attracts neutrinos that propel the ionized air around it that occur when it fires up the deuteron beam that it has secretly stowed in its overhead compartment... :XD: Seriously though, I'm just pulling your leg :p

Well, really, if you think about logically, in history, when the first person fired a gun and killed the guy with the sword, all of a sudden you have everyone lining up to get a gun. And in terms of believability here, when the new 'ass-kicking' technology arose, the only way to survive is to copy or to be better than it.

[Shadowmage]

i don't even think it has phase armor... or at least it is always on, you don't see it all grey n stuff, jsut gold all the time.
Hmmm... Maybe that is why the Gundam is not much of an eyesore right now.

*Shadowmage imagines...

(Akatsuki faces off with Destiny.)

Shin: Die you hypocrite!

Cagalli: Darn! I need to protect ORB! Phase armor on!

Shin: JESUS F*@#ING CHRIST!! I'M GOING BLIND!!

[Itachi Uchiha]

Episode 41 - AHHHHHHH! A RECAP! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

This episode is not worth watching... The best part was the drawing contest they showed at the end.

:complain: :bcuss1:

:baninated

[Shadowmage]

Episode 41

W00t! They blew any chance of receiving an 80%+ grade from me! Sunrise better pull another Mai Hime if they don't want to drop below 70%... I see no future for this show except for the action scenes.

[loner]

Recap. Recap. WTF RECAP???!!!

Fukuda needs to know something very simple: if you are obviously running out of time and are going to have to rush things, you don't do a fu&(ing recap!

Dufus.

There are tons of plot holes and loose ends waiting to tie up, and I don't even have an idea how this story is going to end. We are down to the last 10 episodes, and I don't see any development from Shinn. This is a crucial time in the series, where every moment must be utilized well to build the tension and atmosphere of the climax, yet you spring a freaking recap and a bunch of Zakus drawn by 11 year-olds on us?

Dufus.

[ShinoMatrix]

Hahaha... I'm not even sure those were 'drawn'... they looked like they were from some sort of colouring book... so maybe 5 year olds could have coloured those in? :p

Comparing it to the other recap episodes (of SEED and Destiny), I would have to say though that this one was one of the better stitched up episode :D

[PerfectDeath]

OMG 11 year olds have taken over the series O_o!!

[Shadowmage]

Ara Ara? (This may be fake... Spoiler disclaimer regardless)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Shadowmage_Shin/6A8F9C2B-D3AC-4E3E-C068-F20F85163AB.jpg

I wonder if Fukuda has the balls to pull this off... Or is the angle of the ornament covering the truth?

[Itachi Uchiha]

I bet that's just Lacus's look alike...

If not - OH, THE HORROR! How could they bring themselves to do that? Cagalli would make a much better sacrifice… Yep, throw the blonde to the wolves.

[loner]

I've seen too much of Cagalli's Strike Rouge Freedom and Athrun in wedding dress to believe that as the truth. Even if it is, it's likely to be Meer.

Still, this seems like a Photoshop hack from a very bored Chinese fan.

[Shadowmage]

I have just "acquired" the full 4th intro and outro songs. I must admit that these songs are a lot better than I gave them credit for:

Wings of Words (intro)- Chemistry has some great male vocalists. I'm sure that most people who have heard a lot of Japanese males sings know that the combined talents of Chemistry is rare. Listening to the overall feel of the song minus the animation blatantly shows that this was not meant to be an action packed intro like those geniuses at Sunrises made it to be. The song is more pastel and the animation should have shown more of the characters instead of the mechs. Furthermore, the song reminds me of a relaxed sunset, so, a laid back background scenery would have been fitting instead of the excess shots of space.

Kimi Wa Boku Ni Niteiru (outro)- See Saw has long been known for its musical talents; I must say that this is a solid song, but unlike the other See Saw songs, it is not really the vocals that shine through... It is the orchastrational music. The vocals were really nice but it uses very little range from the group's lead singer.

[loner]

http://dat.2chan.net/18/src/1123318701514.jpg

While her character is still not developed properly, she has won every fashion contest that exists in C.E. If only she just pilots it herself and own Shinn, instead of letting Athrun's gay ass into it.

OMFGWTFBBQ!!!111 IT's teh mWu~~~

[Itachi Uchiha]

Episode 42 - This episode has reminded me why i'm watching this series! Action, more action, Cagalli bitch slapping Unus, Mwu saying his famous line, and good dialog... Leaves off when the suspense is at its peak though. Damn, I can't wait for the next episode. Shin is finally going get everything that he has had coming for a while. The real question is who do I want to defeat him; Kira or Athrun?

[ShinoMatrix]

Kira!

Hot damn it! I am just sooo a Lacus fanboy...

And yes, definitely action is where this thing really heats up. At least in that regard, when things do pick up, I am very rarely disappointed.

[Shadowmage]

Great! There is going to more fight scenes! It's a shame that every character has failed to develop, but Fuduka is trying to make us forget this through eyecandy... I doubt I'll be disappointed by the coming episodes, but when I look at the series as a whole...

[Itachi Uchiha]

How come Justice didn’t get a refitting like Freedom? Isn’t it supposed to be Eternal Justice and Strike Freedom? If so, how come Justice hasn’t been upgraded? Why is it the same old Justice from before? I’d at least thought they would get rid of the shield, keeping with the trend of all the latest models having those energy shields instead.

Could that third mobile suit they showed in space be the upgraded Justice or is it just Gaia?

[ShinoMatrix]

Oohh... I knew I was missing something... yeah, good spot IU... I felt that there was something I should be expecting but wasn't there when I watched this episode... hmm... I wonder what it means...

Well, again, if you do know what it means, please put it in a spoiler as I am talking retorically here and I do not want to be spoiled :p

[Shadowmage]

Episode 43

SPOILER
OMG! WOOt! Was it Yuna that got crushed? Were we actually supposed to mourn his death? /rant
/SPOILER

The action for the episode is nice, but it is mostly a long string of reused cels. The plot is set up for the climax, and it seems that Mwu is starting to remember the past. (Who didn't expect this to happen?) I hope that the ending doesn't have as many reused cels as this epsiode.

[loner]

Yep weep for his huge ass hair, he's dead. Shitty way to go, not crushed by a falling Gouf. I mean getting owned by one when it is firing at you is one thing, but that is a shitty way to go

[Shadowmage]

Yep weep for his huge ass hair, he's dead. Shitty way to go, not crushed by a falling Gouf. I mean getting owned by one when it is firing at you is one thing, but that is a shitty way to go

At least it is better than getting kicked by a horse... (Read Great Expectations.)
Just like the sucker in this novel, he had a dog's death coming to him.

[ShinoMatrix]

Episode 43

SPOILER
OMG! WOOt! Was it Yuna that got crushed? Were we actually supposed to mourn his death? /rant
/SPOILER

.. and it seems that Mwu is starting to remember the past. (Who didn't expect this to happen?)

I don't know... personally this really makes his original passing in SEED look very watered down. Personally I would have preferred if he stayed dead. That final scene in SEED was one of my favourite scenes of any anime and now it feels that it just has way less meaning because of this. I've harbored the feeling that it really wasn't him, but meh, it's not looking as good as I wanted... time will tell if his return will be worth it.

[PerfectDeath]

oh he'll be back... and when he does it'll be yuna's revenge <_<
WITH CYBORG REPLACEMENTS >_<!!
batteries not included

And maybe Neo is just playing along, the sly dawg's gettin sum captn t'nigh :D
oh... wait... Fuduka... scratch that idea <_< it's a good idea.

too good >_>


And i belive that justice's did get some enhancements... his sheild can project an energy sheild !!O_o
OMG it's like TWO SHEILDS IN ONE o_O!!
thats gotta be mean something.

either that or maybe the rise in japanese living expences made it financhialy difficult for fanboys to purchase too many model kits... so now your gundam seed justice model works for BOTH SEED and SEED destiny.

[loner]

Ep. 44

Mr. Blue Lips got a new toy in space, and BOOM goes 6 PLANTS.

[Shadowmage]

Episode 44

Dear god. Must EVERYONE get a giant weapon of mass destruction.
I mean Char got his rock.
Zechs got his floating ship of doom.
The late Zala had his laser.
And some random dude pwns everyone in the first three minutes of Gundam X...

Yup, I'm sure that Mia (fake Lacus) is going to die. (Banzai random picture that I found!)

[ShinoMatrix]

Yup, I'm sure that Mia (fake Lacus) is going to die. (Banzai random picture that I found!)


YEAY!!!!!!!!!!

That's all that needs to be said, really :D

[loner]

Indeed, it is confirmed by the latest spoilers from the magazines. Meer is 100% sure dead, and it will happen at either 46 or 47

I'm not exactly jumpin with joy at this news like Shino. I thought she had some interesting things working for her. Nevermind, she's gonna die. At least she provided with some much needed humor in middle of all this politicle mumbo-jumbo

[PerfectDeath]

well for some reason the destruction of those plants was supposed tob e all dramatic and unbelivable... but it wasn't, it was kinda cheesy.
You know he came to space to fire something big, you know he was all crazy and WOULD.
so it was no surprise. The question remains... what does the chairmen have planed and will he say "why follow lacsus if they are the reason for that to occur."

But i think that if the chairmen has a big super wepon then this show will get even more predictable.

I am a behavioralist, so i don't belive that your genetic structure choses everything about your futur.
a certain gene doesn't say that in ten years you are going to be doing a certain thiing.

You have to control the person's environment along with giving them the genetic ability to do so.

Read brave new world, it's much more balanced than Durandell's crazy belife.

[Shadowmage]

well for some reason the destruction of those plants was supposed tob e all dramatic and unbelivable... but it wasn't, it was kinda cheesy.

Let me ask you this: When was the last time you saw a Gundam series that lacked genocide.

Personally, I have grown weary of watching random people die. If they want to show mass murder, it is fine, but do it like Eureka 7 or the older Gundams where I actually CARE that people are dying.

[loner]

http://dat.2chan.net/18/src/1125135711958.gif

When did Gundam Seed Destiny turn into a cheap horror zombie flick?

[PerfectDeath]

xD
sadly it was more amusing that horrifying.
LOOKIE! people are flying around.

[Shadowmage]

Episode 45

Wow, I was expecting Djibril to die in the last episode...
A lot of action with a lot of reused cels... (We're never going to get character development are we...)

[PerfectDeath]

i havn't seen that ep yet, but i can gess how it's going.
they are going to have the destroys all in the same formation as before firing at ships in space with water splashes all around their hull.

I know how to re-use cells <_<

Also Durrandle is going to be in the minelerva while their adjecent ships get blown up.
Here's an idea, aim for the big colorful ship that is tearing apart your forces. But wait that would be too tactical Djibril is supposed to be a deranged maniac with lipstick he can't be a smart villan.

Bah how cliche'd that rant was <_<
NUUUU i'm being unoriginal :'(
),=>

[Hunter]

I have 2 questions:

1- What is the best Gundam series (in your openion) ?

2- Do I have to watch Gundam Seed in order to understand, or enjoy, Gundam Seed Destiney ?

Oh yeah, one more small question:

I hear a lot about G gundam that it has something special about it. what is it?

[Basketball Jesus]

I have 2 questions:

1- What is the best Gundam series (in your openion) ?

Zeta Gundam and the original Mobile Suit Gundam rank high in my books as far as series go. For shorter thrills, Gundam 0080 (an OVA) and Char's Counterattack (movie) top my list. I also enjoyed 8th MS Team, at least for the action, which is top notch.


2- Do I have to watch Gundam Seed in order to understand, or enjoy, Gundam Seed Destiney ?

I haven't watched it, but seeing how it's a sequel with many of the same characters returning, I guess some background with the original series would be needed.

Oh yeah, one more small question:

I hear a lot about G gundam that it has something special about it. what is it?


G Gundam adopts a very unconventional plot. There are no massive armies fighting each other (except for the last battle really) but rather duels between individual Gundams. The whole premise of the series is that each nation of Earth has moved up to space with individual Space Colonies for each respective nation. In order to determine who rules the colonies, a fighting tournament occurs every 4 years on Earth with one representative from each nation. The show can get really campy and the pacing was erratic, but it was a respectable series, especially considering how some of the other Alternative Universe series have ended up.

[PerfectDeath]

well to change back to the topic, i have at my fingertips the seed destiny 45.
now i gotta say, it didn't have floating battle ships in space... nope, so that was wrong, but almost everything else was re-used cells...
except for this.
EDIT:
*hmmm it appears to have been switched for hentai adds... basicaly it showed
djibri being vaporized
*
wich may have came from a zombie anime.
it gets tiring realy quick when they all fly out of their ship the same way doing the same twist and sending off weird blue fire... or maybe purple.

But it almost is a joy to see the mobile suite do something new. I get all giddy and stuff cause it looks cool. But then of course they don't defeat eachother no they can't do that, what about those new cool cells they jsut drew, gotta use em in 5 more battles. Then the next five battles are predictable crap.

So seed destiny is good each 5 battles basicaly... maybe each 8 battles.

or 10, depends on if they are introducing new stuff.

[Sunami 366]

I never knew that there was going to be another series coming out... has the 1st season ended already?

[Itachi Uchiha]

ummm there is one season of Destiny. Only 5 more episodes left until the series is over too.

[Sunami 366]

ummm there is one season of Destiny. Only 5 more episodes left until the series is over too.

ooh okie.. kinda got confused ......

[ShinoMatrix]

Confused of Destiny? Or of Gundam SEED in general. Well, just to clarify, Gundam SEED is technically the first season and now the sequel or second season is Gundam SEED Destiny. And yeah, it's about to be over soon :p

I say, as we reach the end, I find there was more emotion in SEED than there is in here. One of the things I'm disapointed on, besides the obvious, is:

Mwu La Flaga coming back to life, or along those lines. It terribly downplayed the sacrifice he made in SEED and right now I don't think he is necesary at all to the story, not to mention we've barely seen a few minutes of him for his revival to make any kind of impact in the story.

One of the good things about it though is Ninja Lacus :D

[Shadowmage]

Episode 46
It seems that there is now a gap in Athrun's harem. This episode was actually pretty good as it showed the more human side of the characters. I still find it odd that Kira and Athrun are willing to pwn people but not people in mobile suits.

[tsiki]

I disliked episode 46. Too much semi-philosophical blabbering from Lacus (as always), and what's with the "hey, lets take every important person on this ship and take them to a place which we know is a trap"? At least the last point wasn't completely ignored by the producers since something did happen, but if I had been the Dungeon Master in that episode, I would've wiped 'em all out for their stupidity.

[Itachi Uchiha]

Episode 46:

This was just an eye catch episode, showing off all the smexy characters.

Athrun shows off his mad shooting skillz too! He really needs more scenes fighting outside of a gundam. It suits him more.

Meer finally dies

[Eikichi]

It's coming to an end... with ANOTHER crappy recap episode coming up. If they want to continue with the CE timeline after this I really hope they don't let Fukuda direct another CE series. He sucks badly. I heard of rumors that there will be no more CE and in 2006 they're coming out with a completely new Gundam series. At first I was thinking they should continue with SEED and just keep ripping off UC timelines but maybe they should just let it die. But really, there's not much left to do with Gundam stories unless they make a series that's as original as G Gundam. Turn A was kind of original but it still had a war between Earth and Space (technically the Moon race.)

[Shadowmage]

It's coming to an end... with ANOTHER crappy recap episode coming up.
...You mean episode 47? I thought that that episode was just going to develop Meer as a character. (With some recaps)

Anways more grief over episode 46.

I found it odd that after Meer got shot everybody immediately looked sad and Athrun started bawling. I mean normally wouldn't you try to cover the wound and get the person to a hospital. Then again, she could have been shot in a vital organ, but considering she had enough energy to speak, it might have just been a severe flesh wound.

[Eikichi]

...You mean episode 47? I thought that that episode was just going to develop Meer as a character. (With some recaps)

Still a recap and from the episode previews looked like recaps of Meer throughout earlier episodes of the show. Still crap in my book. There's been way too much of that crap in this series. More than SEED I think.

[loner]

...You mean episode 47? I thought that that episode was just going to develop Meer as a character. (With some recaps)

Still a recap and from the episode previews looked like recaps of Meer throughout earlier episodes of the show. Still crap in my book. There's been way too much of that crap in this series. More than SEED I think.


Sigh. That's how Seed/Destiny developes characters. With recaps. Although hopefully it will not be a whole episode about Meer. It's not a recap thing, it's the fact that there's ONLY 4 EPIDODES left. Meer's one of the better characters of this show (though still a bit cliched), but really, she's a side character. There are issues like Chairman Dulindal's plans and toys to deal with, nevermind that we STILL don't know how the hell Mwu became Neo. And there's only a little thing called 'conclusion' to deal with. And of course, all this character development probably should've been used on Shinn, Lunamaria and Rey, who if I'm not mistaken, were supposed to be the main characters (else I have no idea what they are doing standing next to Athrun in the first 2 op).

[Eikichi]

Sigh. That's how Seed/Destiny developes characters. With recaps. Although hopefully it will not be a whole episode about Meer. It's not a recap thing, it's the fact that there's ONLY 4 EPIDODES left. Meer's one of the better characters of this show (though still a bit cliched), but really, she's a side character. There are issues like Chairman Dulindal's plans and toys to deal with, nevermind that we STILL don't know how the hell Mwu became Neo. And there's only a little thing called 'conclusion' to deal with. And of course, all this character development probably should've been used on Shinn, Lunamaria and Rey, who if I'm not mistaken, were supposed to be the main characters (else I have no idea what they are doing standing next to Athrun in the first 2 op).

That's director Fukuda Mitsuo's great directing for ya.

[PerfectDeath]

well it looks like the hole episode will show meer's life as if she was such a great character. They didn't do a good enough job developing her as they could have.
1: more screen time.
2: more EVERYTHING!!

but hey, she is a better character than most of the others.

And Luna's gotten kinda... sour.
we shall see if it is a good sour, or a bitter sour. If that can be... with acids and bases... make it kinda salty

[Itachi Uchiha]

pffft! Who cares about Meer at the moment? There’re only 4 episodes left and they are going to waste one on Meer's life? Gah!!! This is really starting to annoy me. If they wanted to develop her character, they should have done it ages ago.

Why do you guys even want her character developed? She has as much depth as a stick figure... not that the other characters (other than ray) are developed any better. However, she isn't a main character and it's not going to hurt the plot if they don't flesh out her character. Unlike many other characters...

This late in the game I want to see drama, action, and a resolution of some kind. The only character interaction/dialog I want to see now is romance! When you go off to fight a battle (as laughable as the notion of Kira or Athrun dieing is) you always have to confess your undying love to that special some. They set up Luna's sister in the perfect position to topple Cagali and steal Athrun for herself too.

I’ve already lost all hope for this anime. I don’t care about the plot, the characters, or even the stupid OP right now. All I want is to gorge my self on PURE KIRA/ATHRUN OWNAGE! After that, my sever disappointment in this show will be somewhat subdued, hopefully.

:fighting:

[PerfectDeath]

ya i was quite ticked off when i saw the next episode preveiw showing meer.
I have no idea how they will end this unless they suddenly go on a rampage killing everyone off and take down durandle... if they DO that!

your dissapointment is shared. We want action!

[Shadowmage]

Come to think of it, Lacus should have died. If she were dead, we would get a good deal of anger from Kira followed some kickass fight scenes.

[Itachi Uchiha]

Episode 47 - ARRRRRG!!!!!!!! Recap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I especially despised the 5 minute Meer music video. The honorable and all encompassing funeral service they gave her was blown out of proportion. Nobody on that ship knew her or really cared about her. In a time of war they should have just shot her out into space in a coffin.



~bub-bye~
:dogrun:

[Shadowmage]

Episode 47

lol. This one was worse than the recap on X tv. I do appreciate the effort to develop Meer, but she's dead! I take no friggin stock in dead people! And we only have 3 more episodes! :bcuss1:

[loner]

Episode 47

Ok what's that face the late TIF always make? D:<? Yeah I think that's it.

D:<

...or something like that...

I'm sorry, but I can't help but feel that the 'Meer eulogy' part was like the part in American Idol when someone's voted off. They'd show a whole bunch of clips of that someone, how he 'tries his best' to be a star/realize his dream/whatever the shit, then sings for the last time. If this is an American Idol parody show, where they add another segment to the show where they kill the loser, then it may be somewhat entertaining and satisfying. Unfortunately, this has nothing to do with American Idol. This is Gundam Seed Destiny, there's a friggin' war going on, the chairman is about to become Hitler and aim that wicked cannon at the earth to blow into dust, and our Justice League is crying over some silly girl who's nothing more than a secondary character?

D:<

There's only 3 episodes left to cover the last battle, the conclusion, Mwu's miraculous survival and transformation into Neo, who the **** Rey is and what's his connection with Klueze/Dulindal, Talia and Dulindal's relationship and why they were ****ing in ep. 6 (I think), Athrun's harem problems (admittedly one down now), Shinn's character development, and the fate of the entire galaxy. And they spent most of the episode on a dead girl and how cute she looked in various stages of (un)dress. *sigh Necro-freaks...

D:<

Sorry to sound like some cynical C.E. basher again, but it's hard not to feel frustrated. Very valuable time towardst the end of the series is wasted to sell half-naked models of Meer so the ecchi fanboys can satisfy their lust. If Fukuda wants to do this kind of shit, make your own show, but don't mess with Gundam.

And lastly, D:<

...please don't sue me TIF. We can settle this outside the court.

Edit: Oh it's D=<. Heh, mine's better. Nevermind, I owe you nothing, TIF :vampv:

[ShinoMatrix]

HAHAHAHA... D=< indeed...

*sigh*

I could say it could be worse... and it'll probably end up that way... *sigh* I'm just looking for the action now... Hail Il Palazzo, I mean, Dullindal! :XD:

[PerfectDeath]

u know... i havn't came up with anything witty to say, but talk about how i can't think up anything.
This show seems to have drawn out my ability to make fun of it anymore because it goes against my comedie ethics to use someone else's material or something i've already said... you win today fuduka <_<

but i shall return :ninja:

[Fayt Liengod]

I have half the series and have wathced a little bit, what I have seen is great.
I also have two mangas and an athrun and shin plushie

[Itachi Uchiha]

Episode 48 -

Due to the long recap at the begining and the bad OP I skipped the first 5 minutes.

This is Reys episode, but it doesn't really reveal anything that you couldn't have guessed already. It helps flesh out his character a bit and you finally find out why clones take those pillz too.

Big gun gets fired again; the end of the world is in sight. GO JUSTICE AND FREEDOM! SAVE THE DAY!

The episode ends without any action, which disappointed me, but this episode is at least better than Meers funeral episode. Still, the episode was stretched and pulled to fit into the 20 minute time slot. There should have been more to it.

[PerfectDeath]

yes, they should have gotten ride of the meer episode and shortened this episode and have them attack the requium so he can't blast ORB with it rather than kamikazi the entire ZAFT force to try and get dullandul...
when crazy men arise with a large moon lazer SUMMON FORTH MASSIVE AMMOUNTS OF SHIPS... please don't ask were they came from... we don't know either.

[Shadowmage]

Episode 48

This reminds of the Brave New World. I personally think that Fukuda has just turned Dullandal into a cliched idealist, but anyone can disagree. Out of all honesty, I was pretty shocked at Lacus's response. I do understand the whole concept of dreams, but I thought she would find the more longterm flaws within this faux utopian society. Well then again, this being a Gundam show everything is resolved with guns and dead bodies. I can't wait for the eyecandy in the last episode!

EDIT

W00t! I'm 2 for 2! I called the Rei/clone and LunaXShin!

[PerfectDeath]

yes dullandal has been reading brave new world.

But he fails on many levels <_<
don't get me started on that, ima behavioralist, skinner's theories were connected with huxley's book.

All that there is right now is some genetic ID system that "says" wich job you are most genetically fit for.
wich i say is crap as well, he's not even close to brave new world's methods. He's all genes rather than conditioning.

But i see why they are going against the chairmen, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Shadowmage]

But i see why they are going against the chairmen, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The ironic thing is, they fail to mention this. They go on a tagent about some crappy idealism stating how free will is important. (While the notion itself is not bad, I had a sudden deja vous of Gundam Wing)

[Kaito Fujiwara]

same here, I fear for the worst.

[Shadowmage]

Episode 49

It seems that they are starting the colossal finale. I doubt the body count will include more than 20% of the characters (*Cough Rey, Dullandial). I can't wait for the eyecandy fest next episode. Considering that this series went to hell a while ago, I don't really feel much now that the series is drawing to a close. I just hope they won't use too many reused cels... Especially considering that the previews are using a lot.

[Kaito Fujiwara]

I get the feeling they will.

[Itachi Uchiha]

Episode 49 - Crap!

They used almost the exact same ending as seed with slightly different characters, situation, and ships... Lots of action but nothing to thrilling.

At least the last episode will have the Athrun vs Shin and Kira vs Rey showdown that I have been waiting for.


~bub-bye~
:dogrun:

[ShinoMatrix]

Finally got around to watching this episode...

When that positron beam doing the exact same thing scene happened here, automatically I found myself saying, "not again..." but they *tried* to make it different... it got me excited for about a second, but not too thrilling in my opinion...

Why do I get the feeling we are going to be seeing a 3rd part to this series..? Must be the rumour I've been hearing... gah.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

The more I think about it, more dissapointing the end of GSD is becoming. Normally the last 10 eps of any Gundam show are the highlight that drags the show up a level to excellence. In the case of GSD, the show has been of a much better standard of the average Gundam tv show but the last few episodes have dragged the entire series down to the depths of mediocrity.
This has come from far too many recap episodes that waste precious time. Also, there's been alot of reused animation that has been annoying considering the boasted production values.

The other dissapointment has been the waste of potential devlopments. For example, things like that Shin-kira rivalry could have been interesting but instead has turned into a shallow fanboy showdown of the DBZ kind.
The fact that nobody even batted an eyelid when Mwu-two returned is perplexing to say the least.

[Shadowmage]

The fact that nobody even batted an eyelid when Mwu-two returned is perplexing to say the least.
You know, this means that the crew of Arcangel never did try to recover Mu's body.

Maria: *Wah!
Kira: He was a great man... *Sob* Fllay
Lacus: *-_-
Cagalli: Wah! Athrun! Mwu.. Mwu has...
Athrun: *Bishi lights* Cagalli, I will protect you!
Kira: He truly was a great man.
Athrun: Yeah...
Mwu floats by the Arcangel
Mwu: Err... Help?
The Arcangel rams little Mwu breaking every bone his body... and giving him a severe concussion.
Kira: We should make a memorial for him back at Orb
Cagalli: Yeah...
Mwu: X_X

[Ren Saruwatari]

(late post, sorry)

Based on what you've seen so far, what rating would you give it out of ten?

also, would you recommend this to a friend?

[Itachi Uchiha]

Shadow - That was hilarious.

Ren - (6/10) The beginning was good but it slowly deteriates from that until it becomes absolute crap in the end. The music wasn't up to the gundam standards or the ending. A lot of reused cells to, but that didn't really bother me to much... I wouldn't recommend this personally.

[Shadowmage]

(late post, sorry)

Based on what you've seen so far, what rating would you give it out of ten?

also, would you recommend this to a friend?
I'll hold my opinion until the last episode (my grade for Chrono Crusade jumped a good 10% due to the last episode).
As of now, I'll give it a 6.2/10. It is a mediocre series with the music as the only redeeming factor... It's a real shame especially since I thought the show had some potential.

Itachi- Thanks :)

[ShinoMatrix]

Yeah, 6 would be a good number, but I'll go with 7/10 for now, just because of the fanboy in me... *sigh* I don't see how the final episode is going to boost this up from the grave it dug itself in.

[Shadowmage]

Episode 50

As Ender would put it, watch this episode with the largest screen you can find. This episode oozes with eyecandy... Even though there are a lot of re-used cels. The final confrontation seemed phony and the conclusion Shinn was given was very weak. I must admit that I started caring for the characters, but the character development so far has been non-existant, so a lot of the emotion was deadened. It is overall a fitting conclusion, but I'm still wondering why Shinn got no development... And WTF happened to the Athrun harem?

PS It seems that Lacus truly is a SEED...*hack Newtype (Or she is a secret decendent of the Byakugan.)
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Shadowmage_Shin/lacus.jpg

... WAIT A SECOND! THEY LEFT A CHANCE FOR A SEQUEL... *long pause
[D@rth\/@dor]NOOOOOOOO!

[Ren Saruwatari]

Shadowmage, Now that you've seen the finale, has your rating changed at all?

BTW that byakugan joke was pretty good as well as the darth vader one.

[Shadowmage]

Shadowmage, Now that you've seen the finale, has your rating changed at all?

BTW that byakugan joke was pretty good as well as the darth vader one.
My opinion remains the same. I will write a review, but I'll wait until the professor contest is over.

[ShinoMatrix]

Hehehe... I was planning on using this for the prof contest actually... it's barely above mediocre for me at this point and I know enough about it :p

Which is in damn 5 days time, crud!

[Shadowmage]

Hehehe... I was planning on using this for the prof contest actually... it's barely above mediocre for me at this point and I know enough about it :p

Which is in damn 5 days time, crud!
I already have a review for GSD. :)

But then again I sent my application a while ago so I'm screwed... X_X

[Itachi Uchiha]

The professor job is to hard... or actually time consuming.

Episode 50 - Predictable and unemotional. Lots of action though... My rating of GSD is droping to 5.5 after the last episode too.


~bub-bye~
:dogrun:

[loner]

I'm sorry, but that was even worse than Gundam Seed's ending. A total disaster. It...just...doesn't...make...much...sense...

Well it kinda did, but it came out of nowhere. I mean, if the Talia, Gilly and Rey's relationship were developed better, then maybe it all will make sense. But now it just doesn't work. There's almost no development to this ending. Seed had a slaughter fest in the end that although rushed to the extreme, you still can kinda see it coming and see some connections with what went on before (however weak that connection is). This is a failed attempt at a plot twist, something that came out of nowhere. This series started with more promise than Seed, yet just keep on digging its own grave until it gets firmly buried in piles of BS.

And Shinn? Pfft, who cares about Shinn? So what if he's the 'main character'. As for Athrun's harem? That was nothing more than a ploy to sell more sex toys of the Hawke sisters. Seriously, you were suppose to pay as much attention to all the hints of Luna/Meyrin's crush on Athrun and their sister-rivalry for his affection as Luna's black kuma panties. In fact, loads of things shown in earlier episodes were never explained or developed. They were just...there. You weren't suppose to remember them. You are suppose to shut down your brain and watch big Gundams kill/rape each other, and listen to TMR sing his encore while his characters get shagged.

I'll probably be able to calm down and reflect on this series more fairly and calmly after a while. As of now, however, I'm extremely pissed that they somehow managed to botch this worse than Seed. I'm giving this a 2.5 out of 10. The only saving grace are the somewhat cool (though meaningless) fights, and the music, and even its quality went down somewhat towards the end. Yeah, 1 for fights, 1.5 for music. The rest of the shit aren't worth mentioning.

[Itachi Uchiha]

The secret to enjoying GSD is by not watching the episodes after impulse destroys freedom.

[Shadowmage]

The secret to enjoying GSD is by not watching the episodes after impulse destroys freedom.
Nah! They should have ended it when Shinn "killed" Meylin. The fight scene was quite sweet despite its short length. (It is the only fight scene featuring Destiny without no reused cels) Besides the emotional effect was probably as high as the series got save episode 28.

[ShinoMatrix]

They should have ended it in SEED when Mwu died.

The moment they brought him back to life in Destiny I reckon was when it really started to unravel for me.

[PerfectDeath]

okay i'm late and loner beat me to the bitching post <_<
but i'll come up with something to say, because THERE'S LTOS TO SAY!!

this last episode was something i wasn't looking forward to aside from possible a new anime taking over.
I was awoke one morning by my6 brother who was watching this episode, he was laughing is excitment because athrun and kira were woopin everyhting that came neer them. He tell's me that you don't mess with vetrens.
well iw as like, "or maybe the director ran out of time so he's like GOD MODE ACTIVATE!!!"
and don't forget those reused cels add +5 to their godlyness.
Sereously i still am sick and tired of seeing whoever that drama queen, was the one who got the 4th to last episode for herself, showing her STUPID TWIRLY DEATH LIKE 3!!! TIMES!!!
NARRRR!!!! (weird frustrating sound)

not to mention someone posted about a sequel... what sequal... after watching this i could care less if suddenly the boogie man came and began to engulf the world in flames... usualy at the end of an episode my imagination starts to think up little stories about what could happen next... WELL, i don't have that little voice comming up with sequal ideas <_< nooo, it's comming up with ideas for an AA post that i keep forgeting so now i'm just rambling >_<

begining RULED but the ending sucked... there was no eye candy so put that big screen TV away unless you want to be overwhelmed by it's overwhelming letdown aura thinggy of doom and stuff >_<

and i'll have to agree about the first battle with the destiny... that's why i always look forwards to the first appearence of a new gundam... it's so fresh and new, but after the second ep of it's battles, it's already lost it's effect.
wich is why this is a poor gundam series and i have only seen Gundam Wing, Gundam Seed, gundam seed destiny, and 08th MS Team.

Just be glad i have not seen Zeta or this would be worse <_<

[Shadowmage]

not to mention someone posted about a sequel... what sequal... after watching this i could care less if suddenly the boogie man came and began to engulf the world in flames... usualy at the end of an episode my imagination starts to think up little stories about what could happen next... WELL, i don't have that little voice comming up with sequal ideas <_< nooo, it's comming up with ideas for an AA post that i keep forgeting so now i'm just rambling >_<
It was I who posted the blasphemous post!

Actually, I believe they are planning some type of short OVA sequel to tie up loose ends. I honestly glad that they are doing this since the tv series ending sucked. They should have killed Lacus or something (or Kira) just to make it somewhat memoriable... What? GAINAX killed Rei several times and her nekid model sold quite well.

Shinomatrix: Indeed. Neo should have been Ra or another *hack Sephiroth* clone.

EDIT
Come to think of it, I just realized that Shinn is actually not a main character, but a side character along with Luna and everybody on Minerva. This is actually Gundam SEED 2: Kira pwns Everything... Again! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!

[loner]

Correction:

Gundam Seed 2: Kira doesn't cry like a hyena anymore, he just pwns. Period. Watch the pretty Gundams pwn. Pwn. p.s. We have gold shiny and big ass Gundams now! Buy our products!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

I think that would have been a very descriptive title for this series, and sums up the 50 episodes perfectly.

[Natsuke Takeda]

Unacceptable.

This is NOT THE KIRA SHOW.

Fukuda just made this show a complete waste of time. Shinn was pronounced the main character yet it was Kira holding the gun at Dullindal. That really sucked, and that one plot twist with Rey and the the seperated couple was too manufactured, and not to mention, not very surprising. I kinda knew for some reason.

This is NOT THE KIRA SHOW.

Athrun. After all they did for Athrun he takes a side-seat in the final episode. What a complete waste of someone I rooted for

This is NOT THE KIRA SHOW!

Very disappointing. Too many holes left open. It really bites. Period.

DAMMIT IT'S NOT THE DAMN KIRA SHOW.

It's Gundam Seed DESTINY! AS IN SHINN + DESTINY = HIS DAMN SHOW! And they didn't do a thing for him. Fukuda messed up.. Badly.

***SPECIAL NOTE***

Seems there's a fake rumor of another G-SEED series, called G-SEED Eternity, which, if you read the description, is completely fake and COMPLETELY ridiculous.

[PerfectDeath]

it would probably be called gundam SEED eternal wich has Kira in his freedom pwning everything with lacus sayin "kira"

But what i don't like is how they did the stupid teary thing at the end. It wasn't good in SEED, though it still had emotion, but in SEED-D it was just O_o

WUSSIE u got pwned by the dude who your girl shagged <_<
And there he is sobbing in her lap instead of giving her four across the face like he was about to do a while ago <_<

that would have been a good twist.

But they woosed out, Shinn simply woosed out on us so he lost his seat as the main character.

EDIT:
WOOSIE!!! >_<

[ShinoMatrix]

My one wish for this series was that at least by the end of it all, Shinn would redeem himself... he would show the true makings of a hero by rising above the challenges he's had both with his lost and with his own self.

It didn't happen... I kept up the hope till the last minute... I've discussed this in many a forums, in that (before Destiny ended), I defended Shinn against many who just said he was an irritable character who just wanted to do things for show... I always said, he's the most real character because he's going to save the day...

bloody hell...

[PerfectDeath]

ya shinn is a dissapointment.

[ShinoMatrix]

Yeah, I think I'll end my words regarding Destiny here now... Just wait for my review of it instead and that'll be the end of that... now... to make room in my hdd... delete button here I come.

[PerfectDeath]

*gets ready to wave GSD farewell*

*sees new FMP TSR episodes*
*watches FMP TSR*

[Datsun]

Well, I've probably missed the boat as far as this thread goes, but here goes...

My one wish for this series was that at least by the end of it all, Shinn would redeem himself... he would show the true makings of a hero by rising above the challenges he's had both with his lost and with his own self.

It didn't happen... I kept up the hope till the last minute... I've discussed this in many a forums, in that (before Destiny ended), I defended Shinn against many who just said he was an irritable character who just wanted to do things for show... I always said, he's the most real character because he's going to save the day...

bloody hell...

You know, I myself thought that the creators would have had bigger things in store for Shinn. Truth be told toward the 3rd quarter of the show, Shinn may well have been one of the best, most interesting characters in anime. He was just portrayed in such a bad light for the main character of the show that it seemed like he was being set up for a massive fall Shakespearean/Greek mythology style. He was just such a hypocrite of the worst kind that to me, he would possibly have made one of the greatest fallen heroes ever.

But we all know how it ended, so yeah, bloody hell indeed. Bloody hell.

[Shadowmage]

It's seems that we will have to say hello to this series again.

There is going to be 40 minute broadcast airing on Christmas which will tie the loose ends. Considering that the producers are the same, I don't expect much, but there should be a more resolute conclusion with this finale.

This "sequel" will be called Mobile Suit Gundam Seed Destiny Final Plus: The Chosen Future (OAV) (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5965)

[ShinoMatrix]

40 minutes to wrap up the loose ends?

I'm not terribly feeling optimistic about this...

[Itachi Uchiha]

I bet all that is going to happen is -

Kira + Lacus get married.
Athrun + Cagalli get married.
Shin + Luna watch as a couple.
The world is at peace once again...

[Shadowmage]

I bet all that is going to happen is -

Kira + Lacus get married.
Athrun + Cagalli get married.
Shin + Luna watch as a couple.
The world is at peace once again...
Or... They can go Gundam Wing Enless Waltz and show that Kira can pwn more Zak... Goufs...

[PerfectDeath]

or they "kill" Mwu off again.

They probably forgot to do that :P
Oh and they also redesign all of the gundams, except for athruns, and start marketing the new models.

And it will turn out that Durranel had a child who was raised by LOGOS to take over the world. And Kira fights Shinn in the earth's atmosphere while some chick sneaks into a plant (which has prisoner civilians) and she throws in a knock out gas grenade. One of the guards passes out while another comes up saying, "What's this smoke?!"*passes out. And the other dumb ass guards pass out.
Anyway, kira pwns some more and the others all unite and they pwn some more. Then the white house, know occupied by durranel jr., goes into a secret underground base with a couple dozen guard doors. Then Kira pwns all of the doors and pwns the old guy manipulating everything. Oh and they take Lacus hostige too.
Did i miss anything?

Oh if you havn't seen gundam wing endless walts... don't read this... thought he "what's this smpke" part is funny :D

[Shadowmage]

Oh Giddy! We have another Gundam SEED sequel! (Check ANN)

We can see Kira pwn more Goufs for another 50 episodes!

I'm banking that Fukuda will be directing again considering that the last Gundam SEED Destiny volume sold over ten million units.

I wonder if the third time will be the charm... Although I'm not crossing fingers.

[loner]

I've gave up on this franchise. I used to be rather enthusiastic checking for the news and updates. Now I don't care any more. I only found out after seeing it on ANN.

Seed is now Sunrise and Fukuda's cash cow. It doesn't matter what shitty plot they throw out and how much reused plotlines and cels they use anymore. Fanboys will just gawk at the big Gundams killing each other, and fangirls will oggle at Kira and Athrun and desperately chasing episode so that ZOMG CANON KXL/AXC will not be touched. It's getting idiotic to the point I want to rip out my brain and burst every single one of my brain cells.

**** Seed. **** Fukuda. I'm getting my Zeta movies.

[PerfectDeath]

I think they are copying the UC story line... even though i've only seen the 08th MS series :D i can gess that much.

They still havn't made a movie yet.
I gess that's saved for last.

[ShinoMatrix]

A chance to redeem themselves? Well, I don't even think they realise they've done a wrong. But meh, if nothing else, it's just one to add to my weekly schedule of stuff to watch, but I'm just about jaded by all of this by now.

Anyway, Zeta movies ftw! :D

[HunterD]

The 40 minute ep is trash, just like the whole series. The ep has yet another series recap at the start, all of the last episode with the crappy reused animation but with new BG music(I think), and the extra 10 minutes of new footage that serves as a transition in to the next mediocore Seed series.

I am hoping that the next series is at least decent. GSD was complete crap IMO and GS was only slightly better than GSD. We can only hope that the producers don't find a way to recycle animation again. My eyes tried to roll into the back of my skull while watching this so called sepcial.

[Datsun]

The 40 minute ep is trash, just like the whole series. The ep has yet another series recap at the start, all of the last episode with the crappy reused animation but with new BG music(I think), and the extra 10 minutes of new footage that serves as a transition in to the next mediocore Seed series.

I am hoping that the next series is at least decent. GSD was complete crap IMO and GS was only slightly better than GSD. We can only hope that the producers don't find a way to recycle animation again. My eyes tried to roll into the back of my skull while watching this so called sepcial.

Damn. You ruined any hopes I had for redemption for this particular season.

I'm not a big Gundam fan or anything, but like almost everyone watching SEED, we all had high hopes of this one becoming something worth while about mid way through, but were so seriously let down.

It seems like the writers just don't know how to make a finale to the story, that is both original and good as well. If they could make the series with like the half of Seed and just put a good ending on it, then I'd be happy, but what are the chances of that happening?

[PerfectDeath]

how many times did they replay the entime GS story @_@
cause they have been getting damn good at replaying the same show, only slightly different, with different religious meanings, and all in 5 to 30 min... impressive :D

[Shadowmage]

how many times did they replay the entime GS story @_@
cause they have been getting damn good at replaying the same show, only slightly different, with different religious meanings, and all in 5 to 30 min... impressive :D
Wha?

Last time I recall, religion plays virtually no role in any gundam series (save a few archaic religions [more like cults] from Gundam ZZ and Turn A Gundam).

[PerfectDeath]

well that 40 min thinggy started going on about the garden of eden right at the begining... so it holds no role... but they added it.

[Shadowmage]

well that 40 min thinggy started going on about the garden of eden right at the begining... so it holds no role... but they added it.
Ah more reasons not to watch it...

[PerfectDeath]

It's the same ol recap, only they have with Rau le cruse ranting about humanity but with biblical references :D

maybe he should run in an election :P

I have seen too many games/movies/anime/cartoons/Roll Plays all rant about humanity sucking mooseballs. The topic is very anoying and overused... i gess in the end, i'm looking for something to post :D

[HunterD]

It's the same ol recap, only they have with Rau le cruse ranting about humanity but with biblical references :D

maybe he should run in an election :P

I have seen too many games/movies/anime/cartoons/Roll Plays all rant about humanity sucking mooseballs. The topic is very anoying and overused... i gess in the end, i'm looking for something to post :D
The creators of this show are shameless. They have used every Eyecatching anime plot device to attract viewers. I never thought I would see a gundam series use the gold ole religion speech. I don't even remember wing doing it.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

In the end, the show still failed. You could barely notice the changes.
Plus, why did they bother having Asuran going into Messiah only to have no actual effect on the way the story unfolds?
It is still the same dissapointing ending.

[PerfectDeath]

but it worked for the movie Face off :P
Having 3 people with guns aimed at Kira was unfair so kira needed athrun to back him up :P

[Shadowmage]

In the end, the show still failed. You could barely notice the changes.
Plus, why did they bother having Asuran going into Messiah only to have no actual effect on the way the story unfolds?
As Gundam Wing proved, fiv... two bishounen are better than one.

[Natsuke Takeda]

Yes... This episode succeeded.

I don't mean in terms of actually doing something POSITIVE for the fallen storyline, but the motives behind it succeeded. Cause let's all be honest, the minute you heard there was going to be a 40-minute "additional" (psshaw) episode, it sparked your interest, JUST for a BIT. For one moment, you were curious to see just what they made.

And although what you got was utter crapola, the fact that some of you watched it was the main reason this episode was created, to lure you back in just for that second, just for them to let you guys know that "You hate this crap, but you still watched this crap, now didn't cha? We got you riiiiiiight where we want cha, and no matter what you do, no matter how much of a piece of crap it is, some of you people are still gonna watch it, because you're an otaku, and you can't help yourself. Even if you strapped yourself to a steel chair that was bolted to the floor, your curiosity as an anime otaku is so high you'll probably find yourself reaching for a pencil to use on your mouth to type out a download. Face it, you can't stop yourself, and we know it."

Fukuda still got the last laugh.

But let's be honest, this show wasn't really for us, now was it? Let's not forget that this anime is licensed, so the newbie otakus will eat it up and not really know the difference. And if they hate it, it's probably because they were Gundam Wing fans who STILL happen to be finding that $150 import 12-inch Wing Zero that's probably bootleg anyways.

I'm not bashing Fukuda, and I'm certainly not bashing the Gundam Franchise (ok maybe a little, more on Fukuda AND his wife, who I heard was helping with this stuff but fell under fanbase pressure). I'm a big fan of gundam, and I hate to admit it, but I'm definitely gonna watch the next gundam seed series. Why? Because I can't help it, and if you think about it, most of us can't help it, either.

Case in point, we already knew WHY this anime was created, but I'm just tellin ya that even if we knew why, we still watch it.

[HunterD]

Yes... This episode succeeded.

I don't mean in terms of actually doing something POSITIVE for the fallen storyline, but the motives behind it succeeded. Cause let's all be honest, the minute you heard there was going to be a 40-minute "additional" (psshaw) episode, it sparked your interest, JUST for a BIT. For one moment, you were curious to see just what they made.

And although what you got was utter crapola, the fact that some of you watched it was the main reason this episode was created, to lure you back in just for that second, just for them to let you guys know that "You hate this crap, but you still watched this crap, now didn't cha? We got you riiiiiiight where we want cha, and no matter what you do, no matter how much of a piece of crap it is, some of you people are still gonna watch it, because you're an otaku, and you can't help yourself. Even if you strapped yourself to a steel chair that was bolted to the floor, your curiosity as an anime otaku is so high you'll probably find yourself reaching for a pencil to use on your mouth to type out a download. Face it, you can't stop yourself, and we know it."

Fukuda still got the last laugh.

But let's be honest, this show wasn't really for us, now was it? Let's not forget that this anime is licensed, so the newbie otakus will eat it up and not really know the difference. And if they hate it, it's probably because they were Gundam Wing fans who STILL happen to be finding that $150 import 12-inch Wing Zero that's probably bootleg anyways.

I'm not bashing Fukuda, and I'm certainly not bashing the Gundam Franchise (ok maybe a little, more on Fukuda AND his wife, who I heard was helping with this stuff but fell under fanbase pressure). I'm a big fan of gundam, and I hate to admit it, but I'm definitely gonna watch the next gundam seed series. Why? Because I can't help it, and if you think about it, most of us can't help it, either.

Case in point, we already knew WHY this anime was created, but I'm just tellin ya that even if we knew why, we still watch it.

Quiet! You're making too much sense!:bcuss1:

Yes, I will watch the next seed series and I will also buy GSD when it is released in the US.

[loner]

I did not watch it. And I'll do my best to avoid the next version. It's not hard really. You just keep telling yourself you need to finish reading those 100 pgs of the Republic of Plato. And you know what, the Republic is much more entertaining than Gundam Seed Destiny.

[HunterD]

I did not watch it. And I'll do my best to avoid the next version. It's not hard really. You just keep telling yourself you need to finish reading those 100 pgs of the Republic of Plato. And you know what, the Republic is much more entertaining than Gundam Seed Destiny.
Sounds easy but as Natsuke said Gundam fans, like myself, will watch the next series, hoping that it is at least decent.

First ten eps of this series were so good. After that the series started to go downhill little by little. Things that seemed to have an impact on a character in one episode seemed to be all but forgotten and events (like Hiene's death and Shinn and Luna's relationship) were interpreted and handled badly.

[ShinoMatrix]

Meh... I haven't watched it either and I don't see myself doing so anytime soon.

Damn waste of bandwidth.

[PerfectDeath]

i watched it cause my brother downloaded it. He will probably download the next one too. But at least i got him downloading Gundam Zeta... but i won't tell you were <_< i already got lazer sights on me just from saying "download" and "zeta" in the same sentance.

I would have never gotten into anime if my brother didn't download it :P and i can always push college of a hobby in front of anime. I'm not that huge of a Gundam fan since i've only seen Wing, Seed, Seed D, and 08th.

But still, the next gundam series will come over to North America eventualy... then i'll be forced to hermit myself -_- and avoid YTV <_< Inuasha will end befor then :D

[tsiki]

I have to agree with the majority, it started out good but when the 51 episodes had passed, I was left feeling pretty stupid. There was almost zero real character development after the 1st half (Athrun coming back to Kira's side doesn't count, it's not like we didn't see it coming).

I kept hoping for some major twist and that they would steer the anime off the track of predictability, but it was like watching a rolex tick... sure it looks nice, but there isn't going to be a shock twist. At least Shinn could've went down with style and taken someone important with him, but now I felt like this was one big 51-episode filler anime.

On the positive side, I think Kira got displayed in a bit more realistic light. And he didn't cry!

Aanyway, I'll be looking forward to the next series, but only because I really liked Gundam SEED.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

At the moment I'd say that Destiny had potential to be a superb Gundam series but ended up not fulfilling itself. Gundam Wing is better (although Wing is better than people give credit for).
Zeta is still the daddy of Gundam series' I've seen sofar. It's going to be nice seeing it reanimated in the new films.

[loner]

On the positive side, I think Kira got displayed in a bit more realistic light. And he didn't cry!


No, I actually think his crybaby self in Gundam Seed is much more realistic than the "perfect hero"-like personna in Destiny. It is conceivable for a rich, prep boy like Kira to become scared and cried a lot, and emotional unstable when suddenly thrown into a war and forced to kill loads of people. It is NOT conceivable for him to suddenly turn into some kind of genius leader who is oh so calm and cool after running a nursery/orphanage and staring at the sea for 2 years. There was no development in between as well.

[HunterD]

This show had no character development at all. The creators of this show developed Athrun down the same path as the first series and I don't understand how shin joins up with Lacus's group at the end. And lets not forget how they ruined Rey. The guy was behind Gil 100%. Kira says somthing to him during the final ep and boom, his whole mindset changes. Way to have faith in the ideals and the person you have been following for years pal.:migrane: The characters in this show go beyond wishy-washy, beyond stupidity. From now on I will call any character that reaches this level of retardation a "seeder."

[PerfectDeath]

a character that shows a variety of emotions is called a dinamic character, a character that has only one kind of emotion is considered a flat character.
SEED was better because at least it killed someone off making characters more dinamic... i don't care if he was revived in the next series... that's the next series' fault.
Destiny had some better parts in it, Shinn was a dinamic character, but but Shinn kept the same mindset and became kinda flat because the point of interest was set on kira and the SEED characters.

Natsuke Takeda was probably right, this series was not made to tell a cool story and entertain us. It was meant to milk us of out wallets. The reason the first half of destiny was cool was because there was new cells being added. The second half consists almost entierly of re-used cells. This saved money so SEED D could earn more money. Anyway it is the morning, i'm cranky, so i'll finish this up.

[ShinoMatrix]

But there was an even bigger budget in the creation of this show, which makes you wonder why all the need for the re-used cels.

[PerfectDeath]

maybe the VAs charged more :P

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

But there was an even bigger budget in the creation of this show, which makes you wonder why all the need for the re-used cels.
Probably bringing Mwu back from the dead and giving him his Bling-Dam

[Shadowmage]

a character that shows a variety of emotions is called a dinamic character, a character that has only one kind of emotion is considered a flat character.
SEED was better because at least it killed someone off making characters more dinamic... i don't care if he was revived in the next series... that's the next series' fault.
Destiny had some better parts in it, Shinn was a dinamic character, but but Shinn kept the same mindset and became kinda flat because the point of interest was set on kira and the SEED characters.



I think you mean dynamic character. Yes, the characters from GSD are not static, but all the "development" the characters undergo are artificial. It's like Love Hina; the characters are dynamic, but the change is utterly forced.

[Shadowmage]

No, I don't have new information on the third season, but a recent OVA has piqued my attention.

Gundam SEED CE 73 Stargazer is probably the only product of the Seed franchise that resembles the original UC shows. Unlike its progenitor, it has a touch of realism that really adds grit and emotion to the show. Since it is an OVA, chances say that it will take years for this to finish, but I'll keep my eye on this one.

[Shadowmage]

Time to bring back (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6565) this dead horse.

[Kavik Ryx]

Well the thing has been in development hell since GSD ended, but finally entered production a couple of months ago.

[PsychoSaiya-jin]

I'm confused as to what this is. Haven't we already had the Special Edition movies?

[Kavik Ryx]

I'm confused as to what this is. Haven't we already had the Special Edition movies?

We have. This is a real theatrical movie that takes place after GSD. Not that I can say I'm that happy since Fukada and especially Morisawa are helming it. I'm actually a little surprised that no one else has seemed to have heard of it.