drugs

[Ninja Realist]

do you think drugs are good or bad?

[running rock]

all thing are good in small doses. pot helps fight cancer. and in the amazon jungle the natives use coca (cocaine) leaves to halt memory loss

[Risen Hell Fire]

god don't get me started about drugs. my aunt died because of those f#$kin things. smoking does contain drugs right.

[running rock]

correct cigerattes are stupid and have no medicinal uses

[jetfire]

Drugs suck. People who use them are weak, and need to rely on them to make them feel as if their life is better by using them. They need to get all high and be someone they're not. If you need to rely on substances to get you through life, you're not really living life.

[Zero]

In the words of Mr. Mackey:

"Drugs are Bad, Mmmmmmmkay?"

[running rock]

there is a time and place for everything and its college.

[genki sakura]

Drugs are bad, and that's all there is to it.

like they say: "Just say no."

[Ninja Realist]

yes, smoking counts because nicotine is a drug. Btw, please dont attack me, I just started the thread.

[yanyanman2]

(sings) If you dont believe me ask your dad....

They do alot more damage than help. Bad.

[running rock]

please dont bring enimen into this.

[Jay]

Originally posted by running rock
correct cigerattes are stupid and have no medicinal uses


well, they do calm the shakes :GD



Originally posted by jetfire
Drugs suck. People who use them are weak, and need to rely on them to make them feel as if their life is better by using them. They need to get all high and be someone they're not. If you need to rely on substances to get you through life, you're not really living life.

THANK YOU!

/me high 5s jetfire repeatedly


im very, very anti drug (against the illegal ones, anyways), and because of that the last semester of school was utter hell. i could handle people's drinking fine in the fall, but during the spring something changed for me and all of a suddent it was just problem after probelm. drugs caused a seperation between me and my friends, because if you werent into whatever you werent going to be able to hang out. pain in the ass and not worth it. and so much stupid crap came out of people being drunk.




and though i agree that people who need to use drugs of any sort to feel better, i realise i'm a hypocrite for thinking so. i play guitar and listen to music for therapy. when i get angry i turn to my guitar, when i need a friend i put in a cd. that's putting the same reliance into music as others do in drugs, and i find it harder to justify my dislike for one person's 'therapy.' also, i really like fried cheese. lord i love it. but it's so bad for me, and could cause all sorts of heart problems. but i still eat it because 'i dont care if itll give me a heart attack in 20 years, and it's so good!' that's the same thing a drug user might say. 'yeah, it's bad, but it's so gooooood' i hate that. all i can do is suck up my hypocracy and continue the crusade i guess.

[bondingo]

Originally posted by running rock
please dont bring enimen into this.
But he's such a moron :GD

Originally posted by jetfire
Drugs suck. People who use them are weak, and need to rely on them to make them feel as if their life is better by using them. They need to get all high and be someone they're not. If you need to rely on substances to get you through life, you're not really living life.
My thoughts exactly.

[hekikuu]

Originally posted by running rock
correct cigerattes are stupid and have no medicinal uses

I've found them to be good for removing warts. Minimal scarring if done correctly.

[MeAndroo]

drugs caused a seperation between me and my friends, because if you werent into whatever you werent going to be able to hang out. pain in the ass and not worth it. and so much stupid crap came out of people being drunk.

No offense, but those don't sound like real friends...those sound like party friends. I have a number of friends who don't drink, and are still happy to hang out whilst the rest of us alter our behavior using alcohol. Hanging out with friends while they're drinking shouldn't be that much different than when they aren't, at least as people...unless these people are so warped by the alcohol that they truly become a completely different person. If that's the case, I can understand your objection. BTW, my point only relates to alcohol...as other drugs have a more pronounced effect on how tolerable people are to hang out with, at least in my opinion.

Drugs suck. People who use them are weak, and need to rely on them to make them feel as if their life is better by using them. They need to get all high and be someone they're not. If you need to rely on substances to get you through life, you're not really living life.

I agree to a certain extent. There's something to be said for moderation, and sharing a tall pitcher of sangria or a 20 box can be very relaxing. Alcohol has proven to be a great social lubricant more than once...so much so that my Catholic priest holds semesterly wine and cheese nights. Say what you will about not needing alcohol to have fun, but there ARE shy people who will only loosen up with a few glasses of box wine under their belt. I make no effort to defend tobacco, however. I've tried it, and I don't notice any benefit, other than having a lighter wallet to carry around. It also strikes me as a larger source of litter, a more corrupt source of politics (tobacco firms do a lot of lobbying), and one of the more detrimental drugs to people other than the user (2nd hand smoke, kissing a smoker, etc).

As for other drugs...well, I've spent large periods of my college career being a moderate p-thead (3-5 times/week). I've been on both ends of the w--d spectrum, from smoking with complete strangers at a party and just making jokes to carefully planning an entire night, watching movies, offering interpretations of art, and discussing politics. Oddly enough, my grades were higher during these periods. I've also tried the nose candy, but it just didn't do it for me. Just because you imbibe or ingest something doesn't mean you have to take it to the extreme. As Jetfire said, some people ARE weak, and lose control of their addictions...I had a friend freshman year become addicted to crystal meth, drop out of school, and run away from her parents. Clearly, college is a time of debauchery and outright recklessness for some, but not everyone loses it. I have since stopped doing anything except for drinking, but look back on my more experimental days with fondness.

and though i agree that people who need to use drugs of any sort to feel better, i realise i'm a hypocrite for thinking so. i play guitar and listen to music for therapy. when i get angry i turn to my guitar, when i need a friend i put in a cd. that's putting the same reliance into music as others do in drugs, and i find it harder to justify my dislike for one person's 'therapy.' also, i really like fried cheese. lord i love it. but it's so bad for me, and could cause all sorts of heart problems. but i still eat it because 'i dont care if itll give me a heart attack in 20 years, and it's so good!' that's the same thing a drug user might say. 'yeah, it's bad, but it's so gooooood' i hate that. all i can do is suck up my hypocracy and continue the crusade i guess.

Well, I'd defend you in this case. While music, both listening and performing, and eating food can release chemicals in your brain to give you a sense of high, the physical repercussions aren't the same as the same obsession with drugs...especially the harder ones. Playing guitar all day won't drain spinal fluid, erode the lining in your nose, or adversely affect your ability to recall memories (you don't LOSE your memory, by the way, you lose your ability to recall them...small but distinct difference). If you were to stop eating cheese, you wouldn't develop chills, headaches, or begin vomiting. You can stop eating fried cheese (but why would you WANT to? It's so good!) if you wanted to...on a whim. Try getting a crackhead to just stop smoking crack. Different ballgame.

[Ritalin]

I have no problem with some drugs. Weed doesn't harm you nearly as much as cigs or alcohal do. I'm gonna get flammed/attacked for this...

But I think certain drugs are better off legal. It'll lessen some types of crime. Hard stuff like coke and meth are better off illegal since those can kill you pretty quickly...

Just think of it this way: Would you prefer a more controlled drug use or out of control drug use (aka, the present)? Humans do a lot of things much, much worse than weed, yet it goes by as a social norm.

Also, your poll doesn't have an "other" option, since I don't have mixed feelings, don't think they are good, and don't think they are bad. :p

[GWS923]

Originally posted by running rock
correct cigerattes are stupid and have no medicinal uses

and cost lots of money.

Originally posted by jetfire
Drugs suck. People who use them are weak, and need to rely on them to make them feel as if their life is better by using them. They need to get all high and be someone they're not. If you need to rely on substances to get you through life, you're not really living life.

Well.. sometimes yeah... and I'm completely opposed to harder drugs like heroine and cocaine... but...

Marijuana is fun. Don't kid yourself. I do not use marijuana often, and certainly not habitually, it's just fun every once in a while because... well you'll just have to experience it for youself. Everything is funny. For no reason at all. Colors get all weird... I do not smoke pot to escape reality or to deal with my problems, I do pot because it's something to do. The only reason pot is illegal and ciggarettes are not (and I do not believe in the legalization of marijuana because of this reason) is because if everyone could get pot and smoke it without consequences, we'd have a lot of people sitting around laughing and doing nothing all day.

I know, I know, the hypocrite alarm just went off, I enjoy weed but I don't think it should be legal. This is because I know I can control myself, and would never smoke myself into a lifeless stupor, but others might.

Alcohol is fine, but you should always keep in mind it's bad for your liver.

Other drugs can really mess you up. I was at work today and it was lunch break, and one of the guys I work with was telling me how his cousin did acid, had an emotional flashback, and almost went insane. That is not healthy.

I'm not an expert on the actual chemicals in hard drugs, but from what I hear those suck too, and can really destroy your body pretty fast.

[little2krazy]

i hate weed and ppl who buy that crap. All that does is fund the gangsters and drug dealers, and it causes ppl to kill each other. Plus ppl who are high are more likely to get into accidents. I hate ppl who dont take responsibility for their actions, that includes taking drugs which is one of the dumbest shiet sumone can do unless of course it is prescribed. But more than often ppl will abuse drugs, not knowing their capabilities they will harm others. There is no such thing as a responsible drug user, and anyone who uses it and say their a responsible person is a plain fawkin liar.

[GWS923]

Originally posted by little2krazy
i hate weed and ppl who buy that crap. All that does is fund the gangsters and drug dealers, and it causes ppl to kill each other. Plus ppl who are high are more likely to get into accidents. I hate ppl who dont take responsibility for their actions, that includes taking drugs which is one of the dumbest shiet sumone can do unless of course it is prescribed. But more than often ppl will abuse drugs, not knowing their capabilities they will harm others. There is no such thing as a responsible drug user, and anyone who uses it and say their a responsible person is a plain fawkin liar.

I'm actually a very responsible person. You're making a generalization.

Many many many more people do drugs than you realize, and if no one who used drugs was ever responsible, our planet would be out the window.

Drug dealers are not all crazy people with guns who live in the city. A lot of people can get weed from other countries in a peaceful manner. Personally, whenever weed is purchased around me, it's always from other kids in my school, kids who do well in school and are perfectly normal.

Quite typing like a noob.

Your avatar is smoking a cigarette.

[Minnie]

guh, which drugs are you talking about? because midol and antibiotics are good when you really need it. >:B *gets shot* ohz yes, cramps are bad mang.

drugs you get high on when you truly don't need it? they're, er, whack. yeah. either it lowers your inhibitions or it you deteriorate from the inside. there's danger there. :x if you know that, you need no further warning from me. :|

[yanyanman2]

Originally posted by Ritalin
But I think certain drugs are better off legal. It'll lessen some types of crime. Hard stuff like coke and meth are better off illegal since those can kill you pretty quickly...

Just think of it this way: Would you prefer a more controlled drug use or out of control drug use (aka, the present)? Humans do a lot of things much, much worse than weed, yet it goes by as a social norm.

Sure, lets make murder and robbery legal as well! That way, killing people and stealing things would be kept in control. We wouldnt have to worry about prosecuting those pesky robbers and murderers anymore either. Yipee!

*****

p.s. What are your thoughts on the abuse of...wait for it.....
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RITALIN!

Sorry I couldnt resist.:D

[Damian Angel]

Bad

[Ritalin]

Originally posted by yanyanman2
Sure, lets make murder and robbery legal as well! That way, killing people and stealing things would be kept in control. We wouldnt have to worry about prosecuting those pesky robbers and murderers anymore either. Yipee!

You didn't get my point. :\

Weed isn't a chemical addiction, it's a mental addiction. Cigs and alcohol are chemical addictions, those are extremely hard to get off once the addiction sets in. Murders and robberys are part of someones mind-set... you can't control that. With weed (yes, I'm using weed as the primary object because it is the most popular) you can control it. Tax it, put limitations on it, etc. Plenty of other countries have it legalized and there is no fuss about it from them. I blame the BS called D.A.R.E who twists the truths and uses scare tactics... -_-

The only thing I see bad about weed is because society has labeled it as "onoz omg its bad dont touch it lolz dare/etc says so", and it makes some things more difficult. Granted, it can slow someone down (ever see a stoner drive? Hilarious.), but at least it isn't destroying your liver or lungs.

BTW little2krazy, drugs fund the CIA more than gangsters. :p Where else do you think all that captured drugs and money go? It goes back to streets then... ahh.. a never ending cycle.

Ritalin? I've never touched the stuff, in all honesty. XD

[ZalorD]

Originally posted by Ritalin
Weed doesn't harm you nearly as much as cigs or alcohal do.
Well, I do both, spare the alcohol, which comes in only once in a while, so it doesn't really matter. I'm such a good child.

[Shadowman20xx]

Depends what type of drugs you're talking about. Things like Marijuana,cocaine, cigarettes, etc. are bad, but the word drugs includes medicine too. Pain killers are neccessary for major operations and just basic OTC drugs like tylenol are helpful.

[Charmplus]

Originally posted by Ritalin
The only thing I see bad about weed is because society has labeled it as "onoz omg its bad dont touch it lolz dare/etc says so", and it makes some things more difficult. Granted, it can slow someone down (ever see a stoner drive? Hilarious.), but at least it isn't destroying your liver or lungs.

Anyone else notice the prevalent stereotypical reasons that other people use to target specific drugs and the people who use them? Products of the War on Drugs (tm). Compliments of Ronald Reagan.

"lowers your inhibitions or it you deteriorate from the inside."
- Scarlet Fire

"All that does is fund the gangsters and drug dealers, and it causes ppl to kill each other. [...] more than often ppl will abuse drugs, not knowing their capabilities they will harm others. There is no such thing as a responsible drug user, and anyone who uses it and say their a responsible person is a plain fawkin liar."
- little2krazy

"Drugs are bad, and that's all there is to it."
- genki sakura

"People who use them are weak, and need to rely on them to make them feel as if their life is better by using them. They need to get all high and be someone they're not. If you need to rely on substances to get you through life, you're not really living life."
- jetfire


Now, where are the facts?

Marijuana:
http://www.marijuana.com/myths.php3

Cocaine: (actually comes from a plant)
http://cocaine.org/
(don't forget to read the pages that the links connect to from the listed numbers on the bottom of that page)

Ecstasy/MDMA:
http://www.ecstasy.org/

Fact is, some drugs are actually poisons as well, and can kill you in hours (alcohol) or over long period of time (nicotine). Some drugs affect your consciousness (marijuana), and others make you stronger (steroids -- is actually made inside your own body naturally). What it comes down to in the end, however, are your own personal beliefs, and the morals that guide you. However, when people blindly label certain drugs (or group them all up) as dangerous without aforementioned knowledge then they're just spouting ignorance.

[yanyanman2]

Originally posted by Ritalin
The only thing I see bad about weed is because society has labeled it as "onoz omg its bad dont touch it lolz dare/etc says so", and it makes some things more difficult. Granted, it can slow someone down (ever see a stoner drive? Hilarious.), but at least it isn't destroying your liver or lungs.
No, I've never seen a stoner drive, and I never want to. I wouldnt find it hilarious at all if I was in the same car.
Making it legal would only increase accesibility. I wouldnt want to drive on streets filled with people who were up on weed.

[genki sakura]

Originally posted by Charmplus
Fact is, some drugs are actually poisons as well, and can kill you in hours (alcohol) or over long period of time (nicotine). Some drugs affect your consciousness (marijuana), and others make you stronger (steroids -- is actually made inside your own body naturally). What it comes down to in the end, however, are your own personal beliefs, and the morals that guide you. However, when people blindly label certain drugs (or group them all up) as dangerous without aforementioned knowledge then they're just spouting ignorance.

look,most drugs are bad, and that's what I based it on by looking at it as a broad topic , that and what I've been taught all my life. There are medicinal drugs, but even those can be abused and is that any better than using illegal drugs? And besides, did I say 'all'?

[MeAndroo]

However, when people blindly label certain drugs (or group them all up) as dangerous without aforementioned knowledge then they're just spouting ignorance

Damn Charmplus...beat me to it.

I have to agree with Ritalin on the matter of legaizing marijuana, or at least decriminilizing it. Decriminilization is simply fining people instead of incarcerating them for possession. Aside from the fact that tobacco and alcohol are similarly detrimental in the long and short run to mental and physical health, there are a number of disturbing statistics regarding the drug war. These come from an article entitled, "An End to Marijuana Prohibition," by Ethan A Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance...the article is in "National Review," a CONSERVATIVE magazine.
http://www.drugpolicy.org/docUploads/nadelmann_marijuana_article.pdf
Al Gore, John Kerry, Bill Bradley, Clinton have all admitted to smoking pot. Dubya doesn't deny it...though I hesitate to use him as an example, I can't leave him out. Are these people all "weak" and "not really living life?"

"Police make about 700,000 arrests per year for marijuana offenses. That's roughly the same number as are arrested for cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, ecstacy, and all other illicit drugs combined. Roughly 600,000, or 87%...are for nothing more than possession of small amounts...enforcing marijuana laws costs an estimated $10-15 billion in direct costs alone."

$10 billion...forget about any possible revenue brought in by fines. With the 3 strikes law, there's a good chance that many of these arrests lead to those mandatory life sentences. Federal judges have no power to reduce these sentences...they lie instead with the prosecutor.

In an article called Marijuana and the Law, Eric Schlosser (author of Reefer Madness and Fast Food Nation) writes, "This past January in Kansas City, Tora S. Brown--a nineteen-year-old first offender with an eight-month-old daughter--cooperated with the government in a drug case involving PCP but refused to implicate her own mother. Brown was given a ten-year prison sentence without the chance of parole." Does that sound fair?
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/crime/marjuan.htm

Back to Nadelman..."The federal Higher Education Act prohibits student loans to young people convicted of any drug offense; all other criminal offenders remain eligible."
So, if people decide they want to turn their lives around after a drug conviction, no matter how small, they cannot receive financial aid...ever. The rich get richer, the poor stay poor. I'm not saying ALL drug convicts should be eligible for money...but make some distinction.

William F Buckley, by no means a progressive, write an article named "Free Weeds," calling for decriminalization. Here's a few excerpts.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=128&u=/ucwb/20040629/cm_ucwb/freeweeds&printer=1
"Such reforms would hugely increase the use of the drug? Why? It is de facto legal in the Netherlands and the percentage of users there is the same as here."

"An estimated 100 million Americans have smoked marijuana at least once, the great majority abandoning its use after a few highs"
Does this mean 100 million Americans are useless human beings, weak and stupid and unable to run their own lives? Are they addicted to other drugs, since marijuana is such a huge gateway drug? Granted, there are a few exceptions, but to broadly generalize all drug users is as dangerous as doing it to any other segment of the population.

"Two of every five Americans, according to a 2003 Zogby poll cited by Dr. Nadelmann, believe "the government should treat marijuana more or less the same way it treats alcohol: It should regulate it, control it, tax it, and make it illegal only for children."

This is what I'm for...treat weed like alcohol.

For those of you in Australia, a study by Adelaide University showed that the price of weed has more of an impact on the number of users than the possible prison sentence...more evidence for decriminalization...
http://www.adelaide.edu.au/pr/media/releases/2000/drug_study00.html

"The study also found that an increase in the price of high-quality cannabis from A$32 to A$38 per gram would reduce the overall proportion of users by 16%, and the proportion of weekly users by 23%.

In contrast, increasing the length of prison sentence for possession of a gram of cannabis from 1 to 2 years would reduce the proportion of cannabis users by only 3%, and reduce the proportion of weekly users by only 2%."

I think I'm running out of room, so that's it for now.

[Ninja Realist]

Look i know that im gonna get flammed by yanyanman and all the other neocons on this forum. But i think weed oughta be legalized. The netherlands did it and they had no problems. More trouble is caused by putting people in jail over weed than by people smoking it.

P.S. That does not mean we oughtta legalize murder.

[Recoil]

Tylenol is GOOD! :)

[DarkKanti]

Originally posted by Ritalin
I have no problem with some drugs. Weed doesn't harm you nearly as much as cigs or alcohal do. I'm gonna get flammed/attacked for this...

But I think certain drugs are better off legal. It'll lessen some types of crime. Hard stuff like coke and meth are better off illegal since those can kill you pretty quickly...

Just think of it this way: Would you prefer a more controlled drug use or out of control drug use (aka, the present)? Humans do a lot of things much, much worse than weed, yet it goes by as a social norm.

Also, your poll doesn't have an "other" option, since I don't have mixed feelings, don't think they are good, and don't think they are bad. :p

I agree with Ritalin on this subject.

[fugupinkeye]

I have alot of trouble with this topic. I am the type of person who can have a drink or 2 without needing 4 or 5. I can smoke a joint at a party and not touch the stuff again for 6 months. I know many people can't.

Still, I do know that we are sending mixed signals to the youth of today (and have for quite sometime. "Drugs are bad, now hand me my scotch." for example.

Also, I think it is dangerous to use blanket terms. The word "drugs" can refer to marijuana, or crack, or Heroin.... Or, if we are being honest, cigarettes and alcohol. My brother got into heroin for a while. Luckily he kicked it, but this always bothered me. He said "Mom and Dad always told us drugs are bad. Cigarettes are bad. IT's so evil, it'll mess you up. It didn't. Pot is bad, it's so evil, it'll mess you up. I tried it, and it wasn't a big deal. Same with alcohol. No big deal. So, when they said "Heroin is evil , it'll mess you up, why would I possibly believe them, when they had said that before and it was BS?"


Not that these things won't mess you up in the long run, but, at 17, He didn't see the immediate, boogieman threat my folks were selling. Our folks should've levelled with him. "Pot is fun while you're doing it, but these are the consequences (and tell the real consequences, not just some line). And it's illegal. That way, when they talked to him about harder stuff, he might actually believe them, cause they had been honest before.

Yea, drugs can be bad, some so much worse than others. They can spin your life right out of control without moderation. No easy answers.

[Phelddagrif]

depends...

Cocaine = bad
Marujana = good/bad
Codine = good

If it's to releive pain from a serious injury, it's good. If it's because you wanna get high, it's bad.

[soundchazer]

To me it boils down to this... illegal drugs (and alcohol and cigarrettes) alter your state of mind. While some people are harmless during those, some become erratic and make bad decisions to a point where they can be dangerous. It is those people that lead me to believe the should NOT be legalized.

In fact, I would be in favor of banning alcohol and cigarettes too.

If you need some stimulant to help you have a good time, then you have other issues to resolve first other than physical health.

[fugupinkeye]

Originally posted by soundchazer
To me it boils down to this... illegal drugs (and alcohol and cigarrettes) alter your state of mind. While some people are harmless during those, some become erratic and make bad decisions to a point where they can be dangerous. It is those people that lead me to believe the should NOT be legalized.

In fact, I would be in favor of banning alcohol and cigarettes too.

If you need some stimulant to help you have a good time, then you have other issues to resolve first other than physical health.

Well put, sir.

I would agree more readily to a ban or cig's and alcohol than to legalization of other drugs,(if I honestly thought it would stop or even curb the usage.) , at least that would be a clear message that mood and perception altering substances are not good.

[ZalorD]

They'd already tried banning alcohol, once. You can't stop someone from picking up a habit on their own free will, even if you THINK it's inappropriate.

And I would so be against a ban on cigarettes. :grin:

[Alex]

I love painkillers. Painkillers are the best thing since sliced bread.

As to the other kind... good/bad... it depends on who you are and how you use them... In general, I think some illegal drugs shouldn't be illegal, but regulated (mostly to keep them away from kids as best as can be done). I'm undecided about others. Of course, if the latter happened now in the States we'd have a hard few years ahead of us, before the novelty of it wore off. It'll never happen, though. We are increasingly treated like children, or mindless simpletons. Ban this, ban that. Prohibit. Prohibit. Prohibit. Don't think for yourself. We'll do it all for you. For your own good. For the good of the society. :rolleyes:

I think I'll go rip that tag off of my mattress now. And to hell with the consequences. My little rebellion. ;)

[yanyanman2]

Originally posted by realist
More trouble is caused by putting people in jail over weed than by people smoking it.
Wouldn't know, never been there, but doubt it.

And since when was being against drugs drugs neoconservatism? Sigh.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by soundchazer
To me it boils down to this... illegal drugs (and alcohol and cigarrettes) alter your state of mind. While some people are harmless during those, some become erratic and make bad decisions to a point where they can be dangerous. It is those people that lead me to believe the should NOT be legalized.

In fact, I would be in favor of banning alcohol and cigarettes too.

If you need some stimulant to help you have a good time, then you have other issues to resolve first other than physical health.
Words of wisdom, my friend. Agreed.

[ZalorD]

Originally posted by realist
More trouble is caused by putting people in jail over weed than by people smoking it.
I think the kid's damn right, since not everyone likes it in the @$$.

[Ninja Realist]

Originally posted by soundchazer
To me it boils down to this... illegal drugs (and alcohol and cigarrettes) alter your state of mind. While some people are harmless during those, some become erratic and make bad decisions to a point where they can be dangerous. It is those people that lead me to believe the should NOT be legalized.

In fact, I would be in favor of banning alcohol and cigarettes too.

If you need some stimulant to help you have a good time, then you have other issues to resolve first other than physical health.

I agree, but if alcohol and tobbacco are gonna be legal, so should weed.

By the way yanyan, being against drugs doesnt make you a neocon, you just are a neocon.

[yanyanman2]

Do you enjoy politically classifying people? I guess so. But then again all you know about me in terms of politics is that I'm not a fan of the lies in Farenheight 9/11 and I would vote for Bush over Kerry. Doesn't seem like defining info to me.:rolleyes:

I guess it would be pointless to tell you that I've generally supported alot more Democrats than Republicans over the years.

Originally posted by realist
I agree, but if alcohol and tobbacco are gonna be legal, so should weed.
I dont understand the logic in taking a defensive position on something that has bad effects on the body.

What about this: if weed is gonna be illegal, then so should alcohol and tobacco.

[soundchazer]

Originally posted by ZalorD
I think the kid's damn right, since not everyone likes it in the @$$.

As opposed to people ending up in hospitals, killing or crippling bystanders in accidents or having to go through rehabs. In both cases, someone ends up paying. I would rather have the consumer of the drug pay with a little alone time. I just hope they don't bend down to grab the soap.

[fugupinkeye]

Originally posted by Alex
I think I'll go rip that tag off of my mattress now. And to hell with the consequences. My little rebellion. ;)

OH MY GOD! Now we have a REAL problem on our hands. Alex, I've always held you in high regard, but you know I am going to have to report you.

Sorry. Hope we're still friends when you get out of mental reconditioning.

[TypicalIdiotFan]

Y'know....

Drugs is one time I will take a left turn in my politics. I do not presume to understand everything about every drug ever made, but from what I understand, drugs and drug use aren't something that we really should be worried about.

The real issue should be the government's War on Drugs, an ongoing debacle of policy that has cost us 80 billion dollars a year in increasing amounts since the Nixon administration.

For the most part, drug use is like anything else we do in this world for pleasure. It is a release from the day to day stress that everybody feels. I can quickly dismiss drugs as bad because I have never done an illegal drug. I have gotten piss shit faced drunk several times, but I have never smoked a cigarette, nor ever used any other drug (legal or no) recreationally. However, I am in the minority.

Truth is, there are a lot more people who have used or are using drugs in one form or another for recreational purposes. Are they harmful to themselves and to others? Yeah, probably. Does that mean that they, or people in the future, are going to stop using them ever? No. People are always after a release. Sex, drugs, whatever. We use them all to get away for a few moments from the shit we just can't handle. Yes, its a crutch for many, a weakness that they need to overcome. However, not everybody is the same.

In that respect, people are going to find, use, and abuse drugs no matter what laws you put out there against them. If the Prohibition Era taught us anything, it's that "forcing" someone not to be able to have something is only going to make it worse. During Prohibition, alcohol became impure, dangerous, opened an underground black market that involved gangs, violence, and murder.

And, nobody really went clean and sober anyway. Hooch Parlors popped up all over the place. The law was in place, but was rarely enforced. Because of Prohibition, the Kennedys made most of their family fortune through bootlegging and illegal trafficking. A benefit or a burden? You decide. ;)

Currently, we're living through the ongoing Prohibition Take Two (as I like to call it), which is, essentially what is happening right now. The War on Drugs is a farce, and always will be. You can't stop a motivated people from getting what they want. Any ban you put on anything merely opens up another avenue for the underworld. Ak-47s and other assault weapons? Banned. But I can get 'em easily in any major city. Not hard at all. The same is true with drugs. I can get any drug I want, anytime, anywhere, and there's very little fear that I am going to get busted.

Doesn't mean the cops aren't doing their job. It simply means that there's too much of it out there to do a god damned thing about it. The "problem" has gotten so huge, that even if you squash an entire drug network, another one will appear in it's place to take over the 'turf' and make more profit.

The "problem", however, wasn't started by the people who wanted it, nor the people supplying. The "problem" has been perpetuated by this continued lie that these things should be illegal. Why? Moral reasons? Physical health reasons?

I refuse to believe that "physical health" concerns have anything to do with it. Most drug use is done at home, in privacy, away from others. As long as some stoner is hitting up PCP in his house and not going out and pretending to be Superman, resisting arrest, and getting his ass beat by cops (eh Rodney King?), then I don't have a problem with it. And thanks to most privacy laws, unless the cops have a reasonable cause, they can't come bust you in your house anyway without a warrant. The Government has also tried, in vain, for several years now to get peopel to eat healthy and exercise more. Yeah, that's working. What're they going to do next? Ban Big Macs and Playstation 2s? The ridiculousness of the situation is that the government believes that by banning something, they can control it.

They're so far off the mark they don't know what they're talking about. In truth, they could control the situation a lot better if they actually regulated it and / or legalized it.

Think about it. If you have companies privatized for drug manufacturing, you'll end up with purer, safer shit (because they'll have to cover FDA regulations), and might actually remove the criminal element. This'll be done because the companies would be able to provide the drugs cheaper then the slingers could.

This is speculation of course, but it can't be any worse then what's been going on now for far too long.

If you want the government to REALLY help, then give people information. Drugs do some very dangerous shit. You can show people some really nice horror pictures of what heroine abusers suffer from, or crack users. Or better yet, just sit people down and let 'em watch Requiem for a Dream. Good shit there, that'll scare people sober.

But banning drugs? Making us believe that they're actually helping a bad situation instead of making it worse? Slapping a nice label on it like "The War on Drugs", like the "War on Terrorism" or the "War on Communism / Cold War" bullshit? Yeah, makes it sound better, but its really just "Prohibition Take Two."

Thats my 2 cents on drugs.

[Alex]

Originally posted by fugupinkeye
OH MY GOD! Now we have a REAL problem on our hands. Alex, I've always held you in high regard, but you know I am going to have to report you.

Sorry. Hope we're still friends when you get out of mental reconditioning.

Likewise. :)

*sigh* It looks like thanks to fugupinkeye I'll have to hide out in my little cabin in the woods for a while. So any consequences are on his head.

And of course we are still friends, fpe. In fact, I'll send you a little present in the mail. ;)

[soundchazer]

Ok...I have a new proposal...

Let's legalize drugs, but require people to stay in a cage for 24 hours until they sober up so that they do not become a potential hazard to other people.

Marijuana was the reason why a cousin went to jail, but not for posession, but because he ran over someone while driving under the influence.

Drinking has been reported time and time again as one of the reasons for domestic violence.

Cocaine? Let's not even get there. That shit makes people really crazy.

And have you ever seen the mood of a smoker when forced to avoid smoking for a while?


Either we ban them all, or allow them but restricting people from doing certain things while under the influence.

[yanyanman2]

Originally posted by soundchazer
Ok...I have a new proposal...

Let's legalize drugs, but require people to stay in a cage for 24 hours until they sober up so that they do not become a potential hazard to other people.

Marijuana was the reason why a cousin went to jail, but not for posession, but because he ran over someone while driving under the influence.

Drinking has been reported time and time again as one of the reasons for domestic violence.

Cocaine? Let's not even get there. That shit makes people really crazy.

And have you ever seen the mood of a smoker when forced to avoid smoking for a while?


Either we ban them all, or allow them but restricting people from doing certain things while under the influence.
Once again, I agree. The issue with drugs isnt as much how you can damage your own body, but rather the damage you can inflict on others while under their influence.

[Jay]

well, to paraphrase the 2, most of the things you do when under the influence of drugs are already illegal. if you get drunk and shoot someone, that's illegal. but it's also illegal to shoot someone if you're sober! if i'm hungry and that drives me to steal food, should they make being hungry illegal? that's double lawing it...make the cause illegal and make the effect illegal. but making the cause illegal just doesnt work because millions of people still abuse drugs every day, so what's the point there, i ask?

but some things, like crack, are far too easy to abuse and too easily lead to chemical dependencies.

[soundchazer]

Originally posted by Jay
well, to paraphrase the 2, most of the things you do when under the influence of drugs are already illegal. if you get drunk and shoot someone, that's illegal. but it's also illegal to shoot someone if you're sober! if i'm hungry and that drives me to steal food, should they make being hungry illegal? that's double lawing it...make the cause illegal and make the effect illegal. but making the cause illegal just doesnt work because millions of people still abuse drugs every day, so what's the point there, i ask?


The point to me is that by restricting the cause, the number of "effects" should decrease.

[PirateKing]

"There are three things which I consider excellent advice. First, don't smoke to access. Second, don't drink to excess. Third, don't marry to excess."

"The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what you don't like, and do what you'd druther not."

- Mark Twain

[Jay]

Originally posted by soundchazer
The point to me is that by restricting the cause, the number of "effects" should decrease.


well then i guess they should also make it illegal to make people angry otherwise i might shoot somebody any day now!

really, i'm just milking a hypocracy in the law making. just gotta reiterate i hate drugs and am indeed a hypocrite as well, but im also a damn slave to logic, and some laws, much as i agree with them, dont make a lick o' sense

[soundchazer]

Originally posted by Jay
well then i guess they should also make it illegal to make people angry otherwise i might shoot somebody any day now!


Come on Jay... being the slave to logic you are, you should know better. One is normal human behavior taken to an extreme by natural means. The other is an induced state of mind where judgement is impaired and which would probably would not take place under normal circumstances.

In other words, when drugged, you choose to have a judgement impairment. When someone is in a neurotic state, they do not. They may choose to seek help, but they can't choose their state of mind.

[Chronus]

I think drugs have both good and bad qualities, obviously, like everything else if life. But just because it has harmful effects doesn't mean it's a terrible thing.

Typical debate of users/partial users vs haters/mistrusters:

"I take drugs because it makes me feel good."

"But you're killing your body!"

"It's my body. Some people climb Everest, I take drugs. Some people jog and burn out their knees, or eat McDonalds; I drink alcohol."

"But drugs are addictive!"

"So are sex, food, oxygen, iced cappucinos, good books, video games, anime, etc. Where's the fine line between physical and mental addiction?"

"But drug users harm other people in the process!"

"Nice generalization. But there is some truth to it."

"If you need drugs to enjoy life, you're lame and weak and stupid."

"If you need good tasting food to enjoy eating, you're lame and weak and stupid. If you need a good looking girl to enjoy sex, you're lame and weak and stupid."

"It's illegal."

"And?"

"... drugs are bad."

"I think you paid entirely too much attention in school."


Anyhow...

Point and fact: anyone who has spoken out against drugs in this thread, but drinks alcohol or coffee, or smokes cigarettes, is a ****ing waste-of-life imbecile. :D

I'm against legalization of any drug. I'm for illegalization of alcohol/cigarettes, but only for the "hopefully" benefit of later generations. Though I can't really say if it would be for the betterment of worsening of our societies; it doesn't seem like the prohibition helped very much. I don't really know, these are just thoughts and opinions.

Oh, and I'd still drink alcohol if it were illegal.

... and for those who hate marijuana but drink, it's nice to have an alternative to alcohol, since I rarely drink and find it expensive and rather nasty. So stop being a greedy arsehole. ;)

Fini!

[Losha]

Drugs are pure evil!!!
My friend died becouse of them.

[Moe]

drugs are good for yo they're called medical drugs like when i use my albuteral inhaler thats me taking drugs right there

[soundchazer]

Originally posted by Moe
drugs are good for yo they're called medical drugs like when i use my albuteral inhaler thats me taking drugs right there

Well... albutheral doesn't really affect your state of conciousness (although it may affect your sleeping patterns). It is a must if you have asthma.

[Moe]

actually its a steroid and it gives alot of extra energy
even though i do have asthma

[soundchazer]

Originally posted by Moe
actually its a steroid and it gives alot of extra energy
even though i do have asthma

Salbutamol is a nice alternative then. Not a steroid.

[GWS923]

Originally posted by Moe
drugs are good for yo they're called medical drugs like when i use my albuteral inhaler thats me taking drugs right there

Medicinal.

Originally posted by Moe
actually its a steroid and it gives alot of extra energy
even though i do have asthma

Wow, I'd sure like to know where you get your albutheral... mine does barely anything.

[fugupinkeye]

Originally posted by GWS923
Wow, I'd sure like to know where you get your albutheral... mine does barely anything.

Meet me up on the roof (by the pool) at 3:30. I got all teh bestest Albutheral. DOn't let the Prof's see you.

[Moe]

Originally posted by GWS923
Wow, I'd sure like to know where you get your albutheral... mine does barely anything.

its not special its just a weird affect it has on me and i really like this affect so i don't tell physician

[soundchazer]

Originally posted by Moe
its not special its just a weird affect it has on me and i really like this affect so i don't tell physician

Did I ever tell you steroids make your testicles shrivel up and die?

[Moe]

Originally posted by soundchazer
Did I ever tell you steroids make your testicles shrivel up and die?

holly $hit thats good info you just saved my balls
thanx alot soundchazer

[jetfire]

Originally posted by Chronus

"If you need drugs to enjoy life, you're lame and weak and stupid."

"If you need good tasting food to enjoy eating, you're lame and weak and stupid. If you need a good looking girl to enjoy sex, you're lame and weak and stupid."

[/B]

I'm just saying that if you need a substance to change the kind of person you are, or to make your problems go away, then you are a fool. I don't quite know how to put this into words, but you should appreciate the kind of person you are before turning to drugs.

For example, I'm surprised I havn't turned to them. My life has really sucked. My parents stressed me out and made me take harder courses and extra crap in school while all the other kids got to enjoy childhood, I got teased and picked on to death, I hardly had any friends, I cost my parents a ton of money by failing a program in college, just about all of my friends had left me over petty reasons, I never had a girlfriend until I was 19, I always struggled with school, I had a ton of crappy jobs, I never really felt like anyone appreciated me, etc...

I lost friends, opportunities for education, lived in loneliness, had terrible luck, and felt like I was nothing but a burden to a lot of people. But there's one thing I wasn't going to forget. Something that I wasn't going to give up. I wasn't going to forget who I really am, and I wasn't going to give up my character to become a drug junkie, just to use drugs to cope with my problems. I focus on using what I have and who I am to get me through life. If I can't do it on my own, then I can't do it at all.

I don't need alcohol to become more social. I've even overcome some of my shyness and am now becoming more social. I don't need a drink to do that for me. I don't need to smoke to calm my nerves because im stressed so much. I'll deal with the stress myself, and when I do overcome it, I can look back proudly and think "I did it myself. I'm truly over it and I didn't need to change who I am to get there". Even though my life has sucked a ton before, it turned out great in the end. I have a fiancee, I'm going into my 2nd year of college, I'm more open with people and less miserable, and have many more great plans for the future, because I gained one thing for myself. Confidence. And I think that's what a lot of drug users lack, so they need to turn to substances to boost their morale and make them feel better. I can't imagine what would have happened if I turned to drugs. Things would have just got a lot worse, and I don't want substances to change my character (even if it was for a few hours while drunk). I appreciate who I am. And I rely on who I am to get me through life. Not a substance.

Yes, videogames, girls, burgers, and whatever, can change your life. Because you play sports you're more athletic. Because you draw a lot makes you more creative. But these things are building character. Doing drugs ruins your perception, and makes you lose control of your personality. Drugs can do that. A videogame can't. If Halo made me run out and start shooting everyone, then yes it would affect me. But it doesnt alter my perception. It doesnt change my character. I'm still the same. If I eat a burger, it isnt going to alter my perception. I may still be hungry, but I'm not acting like a complete moron, and not thinking like a different person. Sure some people are addicted to certain types of food, and yes they are unhealthy. It's not really the health issue that makes me hate drugs (but that doesnt make them ok with me). It's how they change people. And the only thing a burger may do is put some weight on you. Not turn you from a shy person, into a party animal that wears his underpants on his head and sleeps with whoever he can find.

I don't know if I'm making a point here. I'm just stating why I don't choose drugs, and what my morals are. So don't take any offense to what I've said or flame me for it. This is just how I lived and the way I will live my life. I'm not going to look for a substance to find answers or cope with my problems. I'll do them myself. I've found I can stay relaxed and loosened up without turning to drugs. I'm just pretty anti-drugish. That's all.

[GWS923]

Originally posted by Moe
its not special its just a weird affect it has on me and i really like this affect so i don't tell physician

I was being sarcastic...

[Moe]

Originally posted by GWS923
I was being sarcastic...

was yous beings sarcasticses becauseses i'ses didn'tses noticeses

[Ninja Realist]

man, i had no idea you guys were so vehemnently anti-drug. Maybe you should just smoke a bowl and loosen up.......oh wait.....nevermind.

[TonoTheHero]

I feel there's a lot of knee-jerk "DRUGS ARE BAD!" reactions in this thread. Gogo fear mongering.
Drugs for medical or recreational purposes: good.
I think most, if not all drugs should be legalized, taxed and regulated. That way you know that you get what you're looking for and you won't support criminality just because you prefer a high that's not legal. It would also remove social repercussion and the fear of getting throw in the slammer.

ps. i don't need any drugs to have fun, i also don't need anime to have fun. Good tasting food i could also go without. These three things harm me in this order 1. food, i eat to much. 2. anime, spend to much time watching it. 3. Pot and alcohol.
The point: Who are you to decide which of my vices are to dangerous for me?

And no, drug abusers doesn't need to get kicked while they're down. And it certainly wouldn't make my life any better if i got use of illegal drugs written down on my otherwise clean slate. How about redirecting all the money spent on trying to screw the abuser and the average user alike on actually helping the abuser and getting the hell out of my face?

[yanyanman2]

Originally posted by TonoTheHero
I feel there's a lot of knee-jerk "DRUGS ARE BAD!" reactions in this thread. Gogo fear mongering.
Drugs for medical or recreational purposes: good.
I think most, if not all drugs should be legalized, taxed and regulated. That way you know that you get what you're looking for and you won't support criminality just because you prefer a high that's not legal. It would also remove social repercussion and the fear of getting throw in the slammer.

ps. i don't need any drugs to have fun, i also don't need anime to have fun. Good tasting food i could also go without. These three things harm me in this order 1. food, i eat to much. 2. anime, spend to much time watching it. 3. Pot and alcohol.
The point: Who are you to decide which of my vices are to dangerous for me?

And no, drug abusers doesn't need to get kicked while they're down. And it certainly wouldn't make my life any better if i got use of illegal drugs written down on my otherwise clean slate. How about redirecting all the money spent on trying to screw the abuser and the average user alike on actually helping the abuser and getting the hell out of my face?
You seem to miss a huge point here.

Food-anime-drugs, its true an overdose of each can harm your body or mind. So why should drugs get any different treatment? Simple: Because people under the influence of drugs have been proven to become much more dangerous. Quite frankly, the government could care less if you want to take a risk killing yourself. If they did care, then many other things in America would be illegal as well. What they care about is the damage that people inflict on others when under the influence of drugs. Drugs-increased violence, imparied driving judgement, all these can, and have, killed/harmed tons of people. People become a hazard to others when using it, so why should it be legal?

To say that drugs are only harmful to the user and therefore should be left for the user to decide on is complete and utter ignorance. If you believe that giving people completely free reign over their bodies is more important than the lives that are taken due to drug related deaths, then thats your own problem.

[Ritalin]

Actually... the main reason drugs are illegal is branched right off the Prohibition Era. Since they couldn't get people for alcohol anymore, it went straight to drugs (they really didn't learn that banning stuff just doesn't work). Drugs were legal once before. It all boils down to money. Hell, the CIA is still the worlds largest drug smuggler, and no I'm not pulling that out of my ass. All the drugs captured on the streets... go right back to the streets. If I remember correctly, drug selling by the CIA also supplied money for the CIA Contra army. Though I could be mixing that up... since I am sleepy at the moment.

It didn't start as being illegal because they were "bad for you", it just started as an easy way to obtain money quickly. Now there are so many myths about drugs being the worst thing you can do to your body that it's ridiculous. There are long-term effects, but some of these long-term effects aren't nearly as bad as compared to drinking or smoking. Oh, I'm not saying some drugs AREN'T bad, just some out there do nothing but give you a high and that's that.

Banning stuff from people only make the people want it more. It solves nothing at all. Let the people get it, find out for themselves what some of the harder drugs can do, then watch society fix itself. It happens on personal levels all the time when it affects a family, no one wants it then. This is a tougher view on it, but hell, people will begin to realize facts and truths about it.

BTW, stoners driving are funny because they are the most cautious drivers ever. They could be going 10 mph below the speed limit, and still think they are speeding. ;)

[TonoTheHero]

Originally posted by yanyanman2
Still think drugs are okay to abuse? I never said they were okay to abuse. There's a difference between use and abuse. Why should i be punished because i enjoy a different high than the legal one? And banning all drugs wouldn't work, don't go there.

Banning drugs in general doesn't work, that's why we're debating this, isn't it? Why don't spend those huge sums currently wasted on a wrecked system on drug-education, helping the groups most likely to get caught in a drug abuse and actually helping those caught in an destructive pattern instead of kicking them (and the majority of drug users that are productive members of society) when they're down?! If you think the current system isn't broken and doesn't need to be fixed, and you don't value the freedom of choosing your own vice then i think there's little chance that we'll ever be able to agree on the subject.

Also, if drugs were legalized and taxed the users themselves would pay for the damage (if any) done instead of it ending up on your bill. And most drugs costs very little to produce, the price comes from them being illegal. If drugs were cheaper crimes related to junkies needing a "fix" and being out of money would be reduced.

In conclusion:
Legalizing drugs would save money, generate it and take it away from organized crime, this money could be spent on actually helping abusers as well as educating the masses which in turn might even reduce the number of new abusers.

The subject of drugs is far from black and white, people has always used and always will use drugs. Is the current system really the best way to deal with this?

[Jay]

Originally posted by soundchazer
Come on Jay... being the slave to logic you are, you should know better. One is normal human behavior taken to an extreme by natural means. The other is an induced state of mind where judgement is impaired and which would probably would not take place under normal circumstances.

In other words, when drugged, you choose to have a judgement impairment. When someone is in a neurotic state, they do not. They may choose to seek help, but they can't choose their state of mind.


but anger is so much more unpredictable than sucking down 9 bottles of beer. there's a difference between the two, but i still think in some way they're similar. i am exagerating, yes, but thats just in the frame of mind im in right now. for hating drugs so much i got to stop criticizing drug policy <_<

Originally posted by soundchazer
Did I ever tell you steroids make your testicles shrivel up and die?

but they also make your penis bigger ^_^

/me coughs

why's everybody looking at me??

Originally posted by realist
man, i had no idea you guys were so vehemnently anti-drug. Maybe you should just smoke a bowl and loosen up.......oh wait.....nevermind.

that's the freaking dumbest thing you can tell anybody who's against this kind of thing. if i could of just walked into a room and said "oh wow nevermind my holier than thou attitude, i think ill just shit on every principle i've ever had blar blar blar!" pfft. PFFT I SAY! it took me like 3 months to be willing to try drinking anything and by that time i only did it as part of my therapy and i dont see what the big freakin deal is. i personally like being awake and having balance and keeping food in my stomach.

[yanyanman2]

I value freedom to do whatever as much as the next guy, but I wouldnt put that before the safety of others. It seems you never took this into account, even though it was the main draw for my previous argument.

As for "banning something only makes people want it more", that is a generalization. Take a look at alcohol or smoking: they're legal yet still tons of people use/abuse them.

Also, about kicking drug abusers when they're down, dont tons of these people get sent to rehab? If that isn't offering help, then I dont know what is.

My point: Drugs are dangerous to the users and, more importantly, to the people around them. Making drugs legal, though it may save some money, would hardly decrease the dangers surrounding the use/abuse of drugs. Take a look at alcohol. It is legal, but people abuse it even more than if it were illegal. The legalizing of drugs would only increase accesibility, and therefore increase overall use, increasing overall abuse, which would result in more deaths. I believe that if drugs were legalized, they would wind up in the state alcohol is in right now: a pretty dangerous problem and a humongous role in deaths, injuries, and crimes. The government is already spending money to HELP abusers and to TEACH about drugs. But money really isn't the issue here for me. Its about safety of those who don't even choose to use drugs in the first place.

[Jay]

Originally posted by yanyanman2
As for "banning something only makes people want it more", that is a generalization. Take a look at alcohol or smoking: they're legal yet still tons of people use/abuse them.

but they're legal only at a certain age. most of my friends arent 21 but they already have disgusting tolerance for alcohol and brag about it like i'm going to give them a medal. when a bunch of minors are abusing drugs before the law allows them, then it does indeed become one of those "if you cant have it you want it more" situations. There were something like 8 cases of alcohol poisoning during a dance at school once, and i sincerely doubt they were all 21.

[yanyanman2]

Originally posted by Jay
but they're legal only at a certain age. most of my friends arent 21 but they already have disgusting tolerance for alcohol and brag about it like i'm going to give them a medal. when a bunch of minors are abusing drugs before the law allows them, then it does indeed become one of those "if you cant have it you want it more" situations. There were something like 8 cases of alcohol poisoning during a dance at school once, and i sincerely doubt they were all 21.
So according to that logic...making things illegal only encourages people to break the rule sooooo... in order to decrease underage alcohol abuse we should legalize alcohol for people under 21?! >.<

Originally posted by Jay
but they also make your penis bigger ^_^

/me coughs

why's everybody looking at me??

Why would you want to sacrifice all your ammo for a bigger gun?:D

[Jay]

Originally posted by yanyanman2
So according to that logic...making things illegal only encourages people to break the rule sooooo... in order to decrease underage alcohol abuse we should legalize alcohol for people under 21?! >.<

Also, about your post on steroids, why would you want to sacrifice all your ammo for a bigger gun?:D


pfft...dont ask me about that *shifty eyes*


and according to my logic? uh, no. where the hell did you get that? "people who are underage drink a lot to so we should lower the drinking age!"? Pfft, someone's reading what they want to read. i never said lower the drinking age, did i. i just said your logic about alcohol being legal didnt apply because so many people who abuse alcohol are under age, meaning alcohol is illegal for them.

[servant_jaken]

you know jay, jay is a hella stoner...

Originally posted by Moe
was yous beings sarcasticses becauseses i'ses didn'tses noticeses

stfu, stfu.
seriously, shut the **** up.

anyway, my stance, which i am sure everyone was waiting for, is, what you do in your home is your business and no one elses. but when you cause problems to other people like stealing a t.v for herione money or what not,then it should be taken care of by the authorities or a shotgun.
i mean, come on. who is stupid enough to drive while they are high. i would imagine though that you would go like 5 miles an hour as previously said by some person on this very site.

[TonoTheHero]

Originally posted by yanyanman2
I value freedom to do whatever as much as the next guy, but I wouldnt put that before the safety of others. It seems you never took this into account, even though it was the main draw for my previous argument.So where should the line be drawn? should you have the freedom to round corners fast? to own weapons? to drive a car? at least the last two can harm others if you abuse them.

Also, about kicking drug abusers when they're down, dont tons of these people get sent to rehab? If that isn't offering help, then I dont know what is.Still, huge sums are spent jailing the abusers, and at least as important, the users that has their drug usage under control. Why not help everyone that wants help and lay of busting people for a victimless crime?

My point: Drugs are dangerous to the users and, more importantly, to the people around them.They're dangerous to very different degrees. And they're not dangerous unless abused (abused in the get-drunk-and-run-someone-over sense and the used to much one)


Making drugs legal, though it may save some money, would hardly decrease the dangers surrounding the use/abuse of drugs.It would decrease. The drugs would be regulated and pure. And coupled with using the excess money on a more humane drug policy most certainly would lessen use, and more certainly, abuse, a point that i fell you're conveniently ignoring. At least i believe that most people are smart enough to make a decent decision with all the facts at hand.

Take a look at alcohol. It is legal, but people abuse it even more than if it were illegal.So if alcohol was to be illigalized, use, abuse, dangers, and damage done by it would go down and stay lower?

The legalizing of drugs would only increase accesibility, and therefore increase overall use, increasing overall abuse, which would result in more deaths. Use doesn't have to lead to abuse, and most of the time it doesn't, why would the number of abuser have to go up and stay up, if legalization was coupled with better drug education, helping the groups most in risk, and helping people stuck in a abuse that wants to be helped?

I believe that if drugs were legalized, they would wind up in the state alcohol is in right now: a pretty dangerous problem and a humongous role in deaths, injuries, and crimes.Yea, because all drugs have the same effect to body and mind as alcohol :rolleyes:
Note that i said "most, if not all drugs should be legalized" If a drug is sooo dangerous that there's no way to use it without abuse it, than i clearly would change that statement to "most drugs"

The government is already spending money to HELP abusers and to TEACH about drugs. But money really isn't the issue here for me. Its about safety of those who don't even choose to use drugs in the first place. [/B] The issue for me is the safety, quality of life and freedom of all parts, users, abusers, and the people afraid of everything more addicting than tea. The big difference between us i that i don't jailing up a negligible amount of abusers and the common user in a slammer full of drugs and nothing to do is helping the safety of the common man outside that still have about the same amount of junkies looking for money for their next "fix". The "fix that they would have, along with a better life standard, if their heavy drug was legal.

Having lurked forums, studying both sides of the fence, and reading up on what perceive as reliable facts, the conclusion i have come to is that a more humane narcotics policy would do mostly good and a have a manageable bad side. Nothing that i think can be said for how the current system works. And i still don't think i should run the risk of being punished and maybe have my life ruined because my choice of vice can be abused.

You've come to an other conclusion. I respect that, even if i think it's wrong, something you probably feel about the conclusion i have come to. The only thing i currently have left to say is that i think you take the pro's of drug legalization to lightly, and that you at least should look into if it's worth legalizing lighter drugs, such as cannabis, a drug that is proven to be quite harmless in most if not all aspects.

[soundchazer]

Originally posted by Ritalin
[B
BTW, stoners driving are funny because they are the most cautious drivers ever. They could be going 10 mph below the speed limit, and still think they are speeding. ;) [/B]

Yes, the tend to be more cautious according to multiple studies. Those same studies also indicate that their reaction level tends to drop and are more likely do take more time to break or swerve in case of an emergency and also that their peripheral vision is not as accute. Once again, they become a potential danger to people around them. Granted, they will hit you at slower speeds, but you will still feel it.

In those same tests, it was proven that alcohol impairs people faster and longer than cannabis. Again... alcohol should be banned for the same reason. It is WORSE than some soft drugs in terms of effects. Soft drugs have the problem of leading many to higher doses or change to harder drugs, since many users start developing some sort of natural resistance to it.

[fugupinkeye]

It's interesting. WHenever we are talking about banning something, it always goes down the same. Nobody ever proposed any law because they thought "I shouldn't do this." It is always because they think "You shouldn't do this."

[Jay]

well that and it's in the best interest of the tobacco companies to keep other smoke-related products out of the commercial market leaving room for people to smoke their cigarettes. and i doubt it's too big of a coincidence all the guys i know who smoke cigs also do drugs. also the american government probably doesnt want everyone buying drugs from other countries because they wouldnt make any money off of it, and i know that even if drugs were legal there'd be huge tarifs on imported drugs because, to quote Chris Rock, "the good shit isnt grown here"


there's a lot of money in alcohol and tobacco and anti-depressents and stuff, and some people would like to keep the money there.






/me isnt pro drug, just getting progressively more anti-government

[soundchazer]

Originally posted by Jay
well that and it's in the best interest of the tobacco companies to keep other smoke-related products out of the commercial market leaving room for people to smoke their cigarettes. and i doubt it's too big of a coincidence all the guys i know who smoke cigs also do drugs. also the american government probably doesnt want everyone buying drugs from other countries because they wouldnt make any money off of it, and i know that even if drugs were legal there'd be huge tarifs on imported drugs because, to quote Chris Rock, "the good shit isnt grown here"


there's a lot of money in alcohol and tobacco and anti-depressents and stuff, and some people would like to keep the money there.






/me isnt pro drug, just getting progressively more anti-government

On this we agree. There is a reason for tobacco and alcohol to still be in place. Heck, it wouldn't even surprise me if the government allowed some drugs to reach the States, so that they can confiscate drug money later on and use it however they use it.

[Ninja Realist]

If there was a big powerful corporation that sold marijuana, it would be legal.

[Ritalin]

Originally posted by realist
If there was a big powerful corporation that sold marijuana, it would be legal.

That is such the truth. The government doesn't give a shit about non-healthy addictions, they care about the money in it.

[Sage Brushfire]

it all depends on which type of drugs you are talking about and the use of the toher drugs, if used for medicinal purposes then yes i believe that drugs are fine and ok to use (hell my asthma medication contains steroids for dryin out loud)

As for other drugs used inapporpriately and abused, such as heroine and cocain then it is definately wrong, they cause life threatening side effects, ruin your life, and will eventually kill you

[TonoTheHero]

Originally posted by soundchazer
Soft drugs have the problem of leading many to higher doses or change to harder drugs, since many users start developing some sort of natural resistance to it. Cannabis resistance fades after a few days. And no drug changes your mind in the way that it starts to want harder and harder drugs. The gateway effect comes from it being illegal and the fear mongering. If you've been lied about this drug, why not the others? And once you've crossed the line of doing something illegal it will be easier to do other stuff as well. Something a dealer with hashish in one hand and heroin in the other will be happy to comply with.


a good place for drug information (http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/index.html)

[soundchazer]

Fine... if we are going to use the links game, I can play that game too.

This one is from a very reputable source:

World Heath Organization (http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/facts/cannabis/en/)


Did I ever tell you about an uncle who smoke cannabis most of this 20's and is now unable to have coherent thought? In fact, in the family we now know him as the Wizard of Oz, because that is what he talks about most of the time. He has schizo problems too. Persecution delirium.

And it was just little harmless cannabis.

[TonoTheHero]

Originally posted by soundchazer
Fine... if we are going to use the links game, I can play that game too.

This one is from a very reputable source:

World Heath Organization (http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/facts/cannabis/en/)


Did I ever tell you about an uncle who smoke cannabis most of this 20's and is now unable to have coherent thought? In fact, in the family we now know him as the Wizard of Oz, because that is what he talks about most of the time. He has schizo problems too. Persecution delirium.

And it was just little harmless cannabis. Nah, i don't like the link game, the link wasn't the main gist of my post. My points was that it isn't the drug itself that leads to harder drugs, at least no more than alcohol, caffeine, tea etc does. Wasn't it the report made by the WHO that lead Canada do decriminalize cannabis or allow it for medical use or something along those lines?

Chronic use of pretty much anything is going to be bad for your health.

And i don't know what/how much of it and how pure the stuff your uncle used was, so I'm not in any situation to comment on it. And by the sounds of it, he isn't anymore either.

[Recoil]

Originally posted by soundchazer
In fact, I would be in favor of banning alcohol and cigarettes too.

If you need some stimulant to help you have a good time, then you have other issues to resolve first other than physical health.

I agree, smoking and drinking can really mess up someone's health, I see no reason for them IMHO.

If someone needs "stimulation" to have a good time, they should try jumping out of a plane at 30,000 feet. It's teh shitz!

[Smitty]

I would be in support of banning alcohol and cigarretes... unfortunately, that wouldn't do anything. Prohibition, anyone?

Sadly, I go to an average high school where it's considered 'cool' to be into drugs and whatnot. Really, it's stupid. I've never touched or even seen drugs in my life (besides movies and photos, of course), and I'd like to keep it that way.

[Jay]

dont go to college, der, it's just all kinds of suck if you have that mentallity <_<

[DarkKanti]

Originally posted by Der Hamster
I've never touched or even seen drugs in my life (besides movies and photos, of course), and I'd like to keep it that way.

No offense, but are you by any chance sheltered?

[soundchazer]

Originally posted by DarkKanti
No offense, but are you by any chance sheltered?

Maybe she just mixes with the right crowd. Heck, I'm 31 and I have never been around drugs. I have known drug users, but I have never actually seen the stuff, nor do I have the intention to be near it.

[DarkKanti]

Just because some of my friends do drugs does not mean that I am hanging out with the "wrong" crowd. They have never tryed to pressure me into anything. Anything I did with them I did because I wanted to. People aren't automatically bad just because they do drugs.

[Akuhei]

I'm really not a fan of drugs x.x none of my friends do drugs, because... those are the kids I hang out with. Most of the kids that do drugs in my school are the kids that chose to pick on me in Middle School, so i've basically devoted my life to be as different from them as possible *I also don't pretend to be black...*. I have also never seen drugs besides movies and TV and stuff. And like SC i don't plan to, it is wise to listen to elders.

[Toburo]

Heh with the middle schools I've been too it was sort of the opposite. The people who would become drug users were usually the passive ones who get picked on by the ones that would become anti-drug (but big drinkers, who of course refuse to recognize alcohol as a drug) frat types.

Drugs can go either way, they can either be good or bad. It's definitely a matter of willpower and the individual, in my view. They can provide you with a way to see the world in a different perspective, or can just be a way to relax or have fun, but some people also get lured into staying in those altered worlds as a refuge. So it's usually a double-edged sword, some blunter than others. Beside alcohol I've only used pot, and as far as I'm concerned it's a pretty benign drug.

[soundchazer]

Originally posted by DarkKanti
People aren't automatically bad just because they do drugs.

That is true, but the potential to do bad and/or dumb things is exponentially higher.

[Smitty]

Originally posted by soundchazer
Maybe she just mixes with the right crowd. Heck, I'm 31 and I have never been around drugs. I have known drug users, but I have never actually seen the stuff, nor do I have the intention to be near it.
Exactly. I have many friends who are like me and choose not to do drugs. I also have friends who are into drugs, but I try not to be around them when they're using them. If I'm sheltered at all, I shelter myself. My parents have always been very up-front with their own experience with drugs (hey, they came from the 70s :p), and they've given me the knowledge to make the right decisions. I don't see what's so sheltered about that.

And just because I'd like to keep myself away from drugs as much as possible doesn't mean I'm naive enough to think I'll never see them in my life. I'm confident in my ability to make the right choices; it's just a lot less complicated if you stay away from drugs entirely.

[soundchazer]

Originally posted by Der Hamster
it's just a lot less complicated if you stay away from drugs entirely.

Or to put it in other words, less money spent on drugs = more anime money. :D

[Akuhei]

Also, I hate cigarettes, I work at a restaurant. Thankfully there is no smoking inside anymore here, but sometimes there are large parties outside and i'll be constantly walking through clouds of smoke from cigars and cigarettes. This makes me cough, makes my throat dry up, makes my eyes sting, and makes me want to kill 50 or so people. I don't care if they do it in private, but I don't wanna suffer for their stupidity.

[DeVil]

i live in a completely different environment from most of u so im not really sure how youngsters there get into drugs but here it always start with ciggarettes. some pathetic loser at school decides that smoking is cool, gangs up with other pathetic losers and they start smoking. smoking leads to a drug which can be put into ciggarettes, i dont know the english name but its called "charse" here. i have been tried to push into smoking quite a few times but i was able to refrain, now i've changed schools and m not facing such problems. the biggest up of changing schools is that i m allergic to ciggarrette smoke (a good thing too, now i have a solid reason NOT to smoke). as a biology student, i know the scientific reasons for the euphoric state and can see why people are easily tempted.

[Smitty]

Originally posted by soundchazer
Or to put it in other words, less money spent on drugs = more anime money. :D
Couldn't have said it better myself. :p

[ZalorD]

Originally posted by Naota16
Also, I hate cigarettes, I work at a restaurant. Thankfully there is no smoking inside anymore here, but sometimes there are large parties outside and i'll be constantly walking through clouds of smoke from cigars and cigarettes. This makes me cough, makes my throat dry up, makes my eyes sting, and makes me want to kill 50 or so people.
If you thought addicts are more likely to kill people, you might need to think again. :D

[CicatriX]

Ok, let me say this upfront. I don't like drugs, nor do I smoke. My friends and most people I hang around with think the same way about this. Up to last year, when I got into college, I've never really been in contact with drugs.

I live in the Netherlands, and as some of you know, drugs like weed are legal here up to a certain extend. I find that this policy works out really well. Because drugs are legal overhere, every thing is way better controlled. Also, people don't have to go trough illegal routes to get it, which keeps them away from crime far more effectively. More importantly, I don't think the percentage of people who use drugs is all that higher here in holland. People just use drugs more openly.

I don't believe the key to solving the drug isseu is making it illegal. The reassons for this have been said many times befor in this topic. I believe drugs should be made legal so the government can properly controll it, and help the addicted people.

[animeantoinette]

I used to be a drug addict. My world world and life revoled around it. It started with just pot then went to cocaine,meth,heroin,speed,K,E..... Anything I could get my hands on. I have been sober going on just 6 months now. I did not finish high school, or much of anything. The way I feel about drugs now, is it is very bad I mean, I messed up my whole life with them. Now only 18, I have to find a way back to a real life. I was on drugs for more than 6 years. I say if you really want to do them, watch what will happen to you first. I now have seizures because I was on them for so long, and it really messed me up. Not only that but I used to deal them out. Drugs are stupid and pointless, a way to cover up things in your life with them. I sayJUST SAY NO !!!!!!

[MeAndroo]

I live in the Netherlands, and as some of you know, drugs like weed are legal here up to a certain extend. I find that this policy works out really well. Because drugs are legal overhere, every thing is way better controlled. Also, people don't have to go trough illegal routes to get it, which keeps them away from crime far more effectively. More importantly, I don't think the percentage of people who use drugs is all that higher here in holland. People just use drugs more openly.

Ah, a voice of reason. Thank you for not only offering first hand experience, but for putting so succinctly what I could not...even with pages of research, and links people tend to ignore.

I'd like to preface the rest of my comments by saying I'm for the decriminalization of marijuana ONLY, at least at this point. Decrminilizing is not the same as making it free and legal. Improper possession would be punished by a monetary fine, instead of jail time, and marijuana offenses would not count towards the 3 strikes law.

I would be in support of banning alcohol and cigarretes... unfortunately, that wouldn't do anything. Prohibition, anyone?

I see parallels to the current prohibition of marijuana. People manufacturing their own in secret rooms in their homes then using middlemen sympathetic to their cause...gov't busts line the newspaper, but don't even cover a fraction of the true amount being sold. Resources, monetary and human, being spent fighting it when they could be used elsewhere. Violence, both between sellers and sellers and sellers and the authorities. And like the prohibition of alcohol, the government's actions were ineffective, and the public outcry for legalization is growing.


As far as "being cool" goes...I understand the mindset of a teenager, having only recently been freed from it, but "cool" is defined by you. Not other people. You. If you fall into things because others told you they're cool to do, then you probably are a little too weak minded to handle drugs. Peer pressure, at least for me, came more from my close friends than it did from outsiders.

[Jay]

/me slaps face

I cant believe I didnt think of this sooner.

Ozzy Osbourne. The man isnt even 60 and he cant barely move or speak because of drugs. If it werent for all the idiots who'd probably attribute Ozzy's heavy metal stature as a GOD to his drug use, thus leading them to think 'if i do drugs maybe i can be the next ozzy' i damn well bet he'd be the poster child for D.A.R.E.

[Basketball Jesus]

Yeah, I think Dan Quayle even referred to Ozzy as the perfect anti-drug figure for America.

[Mako-Sama]

I'm a fan of certian drugs. I haven't done them a few years but I did partake in smoking of certian herbs. I'm not into anything in pill, needle, blotter, or anything you snort, Dirty stuff that is.

[Charmplus]

I thought these statistics were worth mentioning.

Annual Causes of Death in America:

Tobacco: 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity: 400,000
Alcohol: 85,000
Microbial Agents: 75,000
Toxic Agents: 55,000+
Motor Vehicle Crashes: 43,000
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs: 32,000
Suicide: 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms: 29,000
Homicide: 20,308
Sexual Behaviors: 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect: 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin: 7,600
Marijuana: 0

Notice anything? Hrmm..... :rolleyes:

source: (posted on Fark.com, by the user Alexis)
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm

[Soushi Okita]

Uh those are slightly misleading...obviously this is a site for the repeal of any laws against marijuana, but that is just a sidenote. The biggest issue I have is that I'm sure they take into account drunk driving accidents in their stats for alcohol, but fail to do the same for marijuana...seeing as how it says 0. If they don't for either, then well it's still not something to be taken serious seeing as how it would still be ignoring statistical data. You can make numbers look favorable to any arguement.

[animeantoinette]

Hey kids, take drugs and you can be just like me!

realpolitik.us/archives/ week_2003_03_09.php

LISTEN!!!
www.tomandrobin.co.uk/ cgi-bin/blah/Blah.pl?b=...

[Charmplus]

Originally posted by Soushi Okita
obviously this is a site for the repeal of any laws against marijuana
Straight from the site:

"Our mission is to offer useful facts cited from authoritative sources to a debate which is often characterized by myths, error and emotion. We believe an informed society will correct its errors and generate wise policies over time."

I'm sure they take into account drunk driving accidents in their stats for alcohol, but fail to do the same for marijuana
On the same page even:

"NOTE: The study's authors decided to count 16,653 deaths from alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes under motor vehicle crashes rather than under alcohol consumption. Previous mortality estimates have done the opposite and counted such deaths as caused by alcohol consumption."

Thanks for checking for yourself, instead of assuming.
If they don't for either, then well it's still not something to be taken serious seeing as how it would still be ignoring statistical data.
Ignoring what statistical data?

You can make numbers look favorable to any arguement.
Yes, but you seem to lack that. Numbers or facts that are favorable to your argument (which said the data was "not something to be taken serious"), that is.

[Soushi Okita]

Ignoring what statistical data?
That people cause crashes while high as well as drunk...and that those weren't accounted for as a direct result of consumption. I could care less if they lump drunken driving or accidents caused by stoned *******s under automobile accidents. It doesn't tell the story that some stupid bastard was drunk...same for being high. It still has the potential to kill and this time it endangers others far more as well as the user. That's my point. If I lump all drunken accidents under the term accident and then have a seperate category for alcohol poisoning, suddenly it doesn't seem quite so bad does it.

[Charmplus]

Originally posted by Soushi Okita
If I lump all drunken accidents under the term accident and then have a seperate category for alcohol poisoning, suddenly it doesn't seem quite so bad does it.
Maybe, but I included the source with the info, which DOES show both numbers on the data table.

Alcohol 85,000 / 101,6531
Motor Vehicle Crashes 43,000 / 26,3471
Marijuana 0

Although I AM a bit disappointed they didn't include stats from drivers who died in a crash while under the influence of marijuana and didn't show it under deaths for marijuana, the table still shows the data where the primary cause of death (from alcohol, marijuana, car accidents, etc.) was the number used. Since they differentiated with alcohol when taking the information from its source this data is still effective in measuring the danger of something when compared to other activities.

For example, by looking at this right now I can conclude that if I smoke marijuana by itself I am at an extremely low risk of suddenly dying versus if I drink alcohol. Of course, anyone can say that if you drink moderately you'll be fine. The fact still remains that no one has died from smoking marijuana alone, but alcohol caused 85,000 deaths alone in year 2000.

In turn, this data has worth; it means something to our current situation. Is it logical that alcohol is legal, while marijuana is not, considering the aforementioned data? Logic would dictate that it is not logical. It's a contradiction.

[animeantoinette]

I was doing Pot for SIX years of my life. I was like.....no pot is not really a drug But then I came to see that is was. No matter, how I used to drive, eat,sleep, and wake up high. I did not know at all what being sober was like.

Pot is still a drug. No matter, how you look at it. Not only did it take years, off my life. Now I have SEIZURES Because it started with pot I didn't think I would go any futher. but I did. As far down as anyone could reach.

KIDS DO NOT DO DRUGS!

REMEMBER THAT POT IS THE GATEWAY TO HELL, DO NOT BELIEVE ME, YOU FIND OUT WHEN YOU END UP HOW I AM NOW.


:mad: FOOLS!!!

[Rqgnqrok]

Tobacco: 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity: 400,000
Alcohol: 85,000
Microbial Agents: 75,000
Toxic Agents: 55,000+
Motor Vehicle Crashes: 43,000
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs: 32,000
Suicide: 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms: 29,000
Homicide: 20,308
Sexual Behaviors: 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect: 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin: 7,600
Marijuana: 0


conclusion? sex is bad for you?:GD Raw numbers don't mean anything. Plus problems as drug abuse also have a social factor. What i mean by that is that drugs often not only mess up the person him/her-self but damage the people around him/her both mentally and physically, numbers don't show that. Also the numbers shown in the chart aren't correct i think. Who's to tell wether the suicide by drugs wassn't just an overdose. Or the poor diet and lack of momvement was caused by drug abuse. Or the homicide thing. Drugged people can do strange things. These are all just possibilities not all drug addicst stop eating and killing everyone. But the opposite isn't true either.

Real conclusion : don't do drugs...


Alcohol is also a drug that can mess things up pretty good...
I can enjoy an occasional pint I am from Belgium after all BUT...
now when to stop...and sadly enough, lots of people don't know that....For example some friends of mine drink twice the amount i do in half the time ....Some of them had accidents or injurys because of that....the next time they get out in public...what do they do? ...Get drunk......They need to get drunk to have fun...f*ck the social aspect of drinking

I think you get the point by now....And bad luck for the ones who can controll themselves but the system makes laws for those who can't. But....the world ain't that simple...If you completely forbid something it just goes 'underground' resulting in a complete loss of controll on the subject. I m not pro-banning Alcohol but i wish some people would handle it a bit wiser.

ps : I haven't read the entire article so pardon me if what I said isn't new or so .....
don't get me started on cigarettes, they're maybe the foulest of all drugs as they cause health problems for those around you, damn you selfish smoking dudes and dudettes !!!

IN belgium and other EU countries cigarette packs are decorated with huge warnings such as : SMOKING KILLS or SMOKING CAUSES INFERTILLITY
result : smokers want to collect the different packs (i m not kidding here)

*starts burning huge pile of cigarettes then dies because of bad fumes*

[animeantoinette]

Originally posted by Rqgnqrok
Tobacco: 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity: 400,000
Alcohol: 85,000
Microbial Agents: 75,000
Toxic Agents: 55,000+
Motor Vehicle Crashes: 43,000
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs: 32,000
Suicide: 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms: 29,000
Homicide: 20,308
Sexual Behaviors: 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect: 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin: 7,600
Marijuana: 0



That may be a factor but that does not make it legal. It is againist the law for a reason.

[ZalorD]

Originally posted by Rqgnqrok
IN belgium and other EU countries cigarette packs are decorated with huge warnings such as : SMOKING KILLS or SMOKING CAUSES INFERTILLITY
result : smokers want to collect the different packs (i m not kidding here)
That's it. I'm moving to Belgium or wherever that country called "Europe" is.

[Rqgnqrok]

lol, pick belgium ...legal to drink beer the moment you turn 16
how's that in other countries? uk is 21 i thought, usa 21? netherlands...?

[ZalorD]

In the US it depends on where you live I think. Like here in WA, it's 21. In the state of Canada, it's 18. We drive up there to a small tiny town and set our tents up on a hilltop and drink.

[Rqgnqrok]

that's cozy...but eh...correct me if i m wrong..;ain't Canada a country? or is there also a state there with the same name?

[soundchazer]

Ok guys...

by popular demand: myths and misconceptions about legal age for drinking.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol-info/LegalDrinkingAge.html


It appears, in 19 states in the U.S. there is no minimumn age for drinking!

This list also shows how the States compares to other countries.

[aburame shino]

im a complete straight edge even though im punk!!
well maybe a beer or two here and there.....

[nixie1512]

some r good, some r bad :/

[Toburo]

Originally posted by animeantoinette
That may be a factor but that does not make it legal. It is againist the law for a reason.

Yes, and that reason has nothing to do with marijuana's effect on health or anything destructive that it inspires (which, I would argue, is negligible). It is illegal because of prejudice and because quite a few big money industries profit from its illegality. If drugs really were illegal solely because of their health detriments then obviously cigarettes wouldn't be legal, as would some prescription drugs.

Do not lump so much blame on marijuana. Is marijuana a drug... sure it is. Is it a gateway drug... ehh... somewhat, but I attribute most of that to the very fact that it's illegal and the social consequences thereof. At any rate, I've smoked pot on and off for a few years, and it really hasn't had a detrimental effect on my life, I haven't become enslaved to it, and I haven't felt an urge to dive into meth and coke and heroin and whatnot. To me they're clearly different from benign pot. As I've said before, it's generally the person, not the drug, that figures most when you talk about the risk of abuse.

[ZalorD]

Originally posted by Rqgnqrok
that's cozy...but eh...correct me if i m wrong..;ain't Canada a country? or is there also a state there with the same name?
Forgive my ignorance, but Canada IS the 51st state. :D

[Zelkiiro]

Originally posted by ZalorD
Forgive my ignorance, but Canada IS the 51st state. :D
Incorrect. Puerto Rico is #51 and Canada is #52. Get your facts straight.

By the way, drugs're bad. Mmkay?

[Charmplus]

Originally posted by nixie1512
some r good, some r bad :/
WHOA! I NEVER would have expected this response!

People exist that actually have a belief structure more complex than black and white?

God must've been upgrading our belief systems lately or something...

/sarcasm ;)

[Rqgnqrok]

Originally posted by animeantoinette
That may be a factor but that does not make it legal. It is againist the law for a reason.


eh you're summarizing my post which is great but....i think you misunderstood what i was saying since you posted that ,you probably think i meant it should be legal? which isn't the case.....
...i m just saying it's more complicated then make it illegal or legal
conclusion : let's keep it illegal

[aburame shino]

to me any body who does drugs is
1:stupider than shit
2:stupider than shit from a platypus
3:i am serious drug abusers are ****ed up to me
4: stupider than shit

guess that about sums it up!!
i a complete straght edge

[animeantoinette]

Originally posted by Rqgnqrok
eh you're summarizing my post which is great but....i think you misunderstood what i was saying since you posted that ,you probably think i meant it should be legal? which isn't the case.....
...i m just saying it's more complicated then make it illegal or legal
conclusion : let's keep it illegal

Yes I misunderstood. My bad. I thought you meant it should be legal. I mean. If they did make pot legal, they would take all the THC out of it anyway. Plus, still to this day, I would much rather smell pot than cigs. Even though I do neither. But I can not be around any of that shit, because being an ex-addict, makes it to hard. When I was high all the time, I had no idea what it was like being sober, now being sober all the time, I see that I wasted alot by being high all the time. :bashhead

[Rqgnqrok]

quote from : abu.....


to me any body who does drugs is
1:stupider than shit
2:stupider than shit from a platypus
3:i am serious drug abusers are ****ed up to me
4: stupider than shit
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that's a bit black& white , people with serious problems can sometimes do seriously stupid things, it's not necessarily the people that are bad, although sometimes they get completely f*cked up, it's hard to talk in general terms when you're talking 'bout people

for the record : i m not saying having serious problems is a reason for doing drugs, problems are ment to be solved by yourself.

[ZalorD]

If I am stupider than shit what would it make you? ;)

[jiffyjimbothe3]

i am definetly against drugs and i agree with jetfire i think it was with the earlier post i am just too lazy to quote it...

[Smitty]

Originally posted by aburame shino
im a complete straight edge even though im punk!!
well maybe a beer or two here and there.....
You're trying so hard, it's sad.

Originally posted by ZalorD
If I am stupider than shit what would it make you? ;)
Stupider than... himself? :p

Anyway, as I've stated, drugs don't have a place in my life because it just isn't a priority to me, and for good reason. To me, they seem like a waste of time and money, and they're not very good for you.

Wow, Antionette, that's awesome that you kicked your habits! High-five! :D

[TonoTheHero]

Originally posted by aburame shino
to me any body who does drugs is
1:stupider than shit
2:stupider than shit from a platypus
3:i am serious drug abusers are ****ed up to me
4: stupider than shit

guess that about sums it up!!
i a complete straght edge Originally posted by aburame shino
well maybe a beer or two here and there..... Heh... :rolleyes:

[Jazz]

Drugs save lives, but since you all seem pessimistic and assume we are talking about pot 'n such...
BTW everything helps prevent cancer, if you only consume a little. (carrots, wine, raw eggs, rice, asbestos, OK not asbestos)

[Toburo]

I thought you meant it should be legal. I mean. If they did