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Illjwamh

01-15-2005, 12:40 PM

People like Itachi, Jiraiya and Tsunade were hard to find because they kept moving around. If they find out where the Sound Village is (they probably already know or at least have a good idea), they've found Orochimaru.

w0lfW00ds_gh0st

01-15-2005, 02:50 PM

thats what i meant by Yellow Pages joke (yes its a bad joke i know -_-*) but then again if u were wanted like Orochimaru is then i dont think that they would stay in one area most of the time. but then again he does have a lot of fight in him (hell he defeated the Third) so i dont think he would run anywhere.

Demonshadow9

01-15-2005, 04:11 PM

Seeing as he has his own ninja village and dont give me theyre all nobodys crap the three from the chunin exam were good examples and the bone guy(he might have other bloodlines in his village) and the leaf is still in a weakend state I doubt he will run.I have my own army!lets run away!>_>

Illjwamh

01-15-2005, 04:32 PM

I would say the only person he even comes close to being afraid of is Itachi, and there's no reason for him to be concerned about that just yet.

w0lfW00ds_gh0st

01-16-2005, 04:31 AM

ahh yes itachi ... the itachhi/orochi fight could be the best fight in the series, maybe not as good as the beginning of the Hokage fight, but an amazing fight nonetheless

Kagome654

01-16-2005, 06:12 AM

Meh, I hope Itachi does something to make him a little more interesting. Right now I consider him to be one of the most boring characters in the series. I mean his personality is like Kimimaro's and Gaara's in the sense that he's calm and quiet the majority of the time, but at least Gaara and Kimimaro have nice little freakouts occasionally and Gaara especially has some real depth. Bah, maybe I'm just tired of Itachi fanboys 'Oh my God, Itachi could beat anyone in the series ever, mwa-ha-ha!'

jetfire

01-16-2005, 08:55 AM

I know that this is a bit of a random post, and related to both anime/manga, but I really like how the anime is becoming more fast paced than the manga right now. What I mean is the whole part where they chase Sasuke. Before it started, I thought it was going to take twice as long for them to get to the point that they are at now, but really, they aren't dragging it on like I thought they would. Fights take 2 episodes at most so far, and the pacing seems much quicker than the manga did. It just feels like more of a sense of urgency. Normally, I like the manga better, but for this arc so far, I'm impressed with how the anime is going. Of course, maybe it's just me, and both are paced the same, and the manga really is quicker, but for me, the anime is seeming more fast paced and exciting at the moment.

Kagome654

01-16-2005, 11:43 AM

Actually, I have to agree. While this arc had its good points in the manga they weren't enough to save it from being a generally weak arc due to pacing. The anime, assuming it doesn't drag out the Sasuke vs Naruto fight, is doing a much better job. Though that could also be that I had to wait an entire week for a new chapter in Naruto, so the pacing just seemed bad because of that.

w0lfW00ds_gh0st

01-16-2005, 12:11 PM

its also quite a surprise that its going by so quickly, considering all the other arcs, which were extremely slow and laggy. maybe the fact that this whole arc revolves around a chase, is what Kishimoto-sensei may have taken into account and made it so fast paced. it was kind of a surprise actually when i watched the Chouji fight, i was like "Holy crap this thing just whizzed by!!" and it felt more like a fight, than having the camera angle revolve round the characters for 20 mins with 1 minute of fighting and then the credits roll. im guessing the sasuke vs naruto fight would take a little longer

Illjwamh

01-16-2005, 02:06 PM

Yeah, they really are doing a good job with it. As w0lfW00ds_gh0st just pointed out, a fight feels a lot more like a fight when it doesn't take an hour and a half to watch. Real fights are rarely longer than a minute or so, and even that would be considered an exceptionally long one.

Maveric

01-18-2005, 04:51 PM

So, need somthing to do for the last two weeks before the next issue? How about checking out my preview on Manga Reviewer: http://www.mangareviewer.com/pm/naruto/naruto.htm [/shameless plug]

animefreek_CM

01-18-2005, 05:51 PM

do u guys read these from scanlators? cuz im only to the beginning of the second chunin exam and i dont know what you guys are talking about

Maveric

01-18-2005, 06:13 PM

yep, most of the people 'round here do. If you want to do the same, I'm afraid you'll have to find it yourself, as AA frowns on people who post where to get illegal material (since it is indeed illegal)

Demonshadow9

01-19-2005, 12:30 AM

I read scanalations but I also subscribe to shonen jump.I will stop readin the scans when viz catchs up(which will be about 3 years :(

Maveric

01-19-2005, 07:48 AM

No, you'll stop reading scans when the series ends, cuz Viz is never going to catch up to the Japanese releases at 2 chapters a month.

Demonshadow9

01-19-2005, 01:10 PM

Well in three years they will catch up to where it is now and I dont think it will be THAT long so they will catch up eventually>_>

Maveric

01-19-2005, 01:17 PM

you seem to forget that new chapters are coming out in Japan every week. There is no way that Viz will catch up before it is finished.

Demonshadow9

01-19-2005, 05:12 PM

you seem to forget that new chapters are coming out in Japan every week. There is no way that Viz will catch up before it is finished.

I not saying they would, im saying that eventually the series will end and viz will probably catch up sometime around that time.

w0lfW00ds_gh0st

01-19-2005, 06:33 PM

yes but when it catches to where the series is now, then it will be behind on what the series will be at then. so until the show ends and tha manga ends, VIZ wont be able to catch up with the series/manga

Demonshadow9

01-19-2005, 07:48 PM

I not saying they would, im saying that eventually the series will end and viz will probably catch up sometime around that time.

yes but when it catches to where the series is now, then it will be behind on what the series will be at then. so until the show ends and tha manga ends, VIZ wont be able to catch up with the series/manga

You just repeated what I said wolfwod >_>

w0lfW00ds_gh0st

01-19-2005, 07:51 PM

AH!! hehehehe oops my bad, i thot i was making another point, missed that post of urs ^_^"

jetfire

01-27-2005, 10:27 AM

Has anyone seen the scans of Naruto 245 yet? I've seen some scans from a few pages so far. Naruto and Sakura don't look that much older or different, but they do look a bit better from before. Unfortunately the pages werent translated, but it's looking pretty good.

Judeau

01-27-2005, 11:20 AM

Yea I've seen them, they don't look that much older but it was a believable aging. It was only three years and I like the scans I've seen.

Lavi

01-27-2005, 01:49 PM

Maveric

01-27-2005, 02:04 PM

Actually, I found a traslation, and it seems that it has only been 2 and a half years.

Anywho, despite the fact that they still look kinda similar, it is definately obvious to me that they have matured (at least physically). I'll write more after I finish reading the chapter

*edit two minutes later*

Oooooooooooooooooo I'm getting all tingly inside. I shiver in antici...................................pation. How good have the two grown in the last few years? Considering how strong Naruto was before he left, he ought to be downright dangerous by now. And though Sakura wasn't very strong before, she was certainly very smart. She ought to be much more of a help to her teammates this time around.

One thing though: Naruto left the village while training? Guess I forgot that part.

Damn, I can't wait for next week!

Ninja Realist

01-27-2005, 02:59 PM

Naruto looks odd tall. Sakura's haircut looks better. Somehting about the drawings and style look prettier now.

Senshi

01-27-2005, 03:09 PM

actually, i think they should have changed a bit more. i know it was only three years, but the three main characters were 12...the gap between 12 and fifteen IMO is relatively large. i mean, you're going through puberty, you lose baby fat, etc.

I agree... I mean yeah they are a bit taller, but I mean right now they look about as old as Rock Lee and Neiji were 3 years ago, and Rock Lee and Neiji were only a year older than they were...

I mean I dont know what you guys looked like when you were 15/16 but I looked alot older than they do... they look 14 tops...

Also, Im gonna be pissed if Sakura starts to like Naruto now (there was way too much blushing on her part)... I mean if Sakura starts liking Naruto it will feel so manufactured and cliche IMO...

Ninja Realist

01-27-2005, 03:53 PM

genki sakura

01-27-2005, 04:43 PM

Also, Im gonna be pissed if Sakura starts to like Naruto now (there was way too much blushing on her part)... I mean if Sakura starts liking Naruto it will feel so manufactured and cliche IMO...
Technically Sasuke did break her heart, so who else would she fall back on? Kakashi?(*grimaces* I've read fanfiction like that...>.>;;)

But all of the sasusaku fans will go up in an uproar.

That would be messed up. Naruto and hinata are meant for each other. End of story. Naruto with Sakura would be stupid an unrealistic.
Hell yes!

Yeah, I don't really think they're 15/16...I'm 16 and Sakura looks a tad bit younger than me...

Random side note: Now I wanna cosplay as Sakura...her outfit was cool.

Demonshadow9

01-27-2005, 04:45 PM

Still havent read the chapter but I still want to see what lee and neji are going to look like.Wonder if lee will ever get the yellow jump suit :)

0_o @ realist post count

genki sakura

01-27-2005, 04:49 PM

Still havent read the chapter but I still want to see what lee and neji are going to look like.Wonder if lee will ever get the yellow jump suit :)

0_o @ realist post count
yellow...jump...suit...eek...

o_0

Demonshadow9

01-27-2005, 04:54 PM

yellow...jump...suit...eek...

o_0

Lee=bruce lee , bruce lee fought in a yellow jumpsuit.Its the natural evolution.

Ninja Realist

01-27-2005, 04:55 PM

Whatever it was cool, but It cant stay forever.

genki sakura

01-27-2005, 04:58 PM

Lee=bruce lee , bruce lee fought in a yellow jumpsuit.Its the natural evolution.
Yeah, I know...but...still...though it would also take Gai to put on the yellow jumpsuit before Lee will...or did he do that already?

But Realist, Bruce Lee stays forever..

Shadowmage

01-27-2005, 05:33 PM

Yeah, I know...but...still...though it would also take Gai to put on the yellow jumpsuit before Lee will...or did he do that already?

But Realist, Bruce Lee stays forever..

....Gai and Lee in a yellow jumpsuit.... :jawdrop:

I'm personally more interested in how Sasuke will change... Considering he is the basic "cool guy" in the series he should get a cool new outfit at least.

I also wonder what new clothes Neiji and Hinata gets since I doubt any other character will get a major costume change. (I think these two need a a change of clothes since their clothes are "meh"ish)

Senshi

01-27-2005, 06:13 PM

Technically Sasuke did break her heart, so who else would she fall back on? Kakashi?(*grimaces* I've read fanfiction like that...>.>;;)

But all of the sasusaku fans will go up in an uproar.

I dont think Sasuke broke her heart... I think Sakura understands why Sasuke did what he did ... yeah she doesnt agree with it and did her best to change his mind but I dont think she took it as a personal thing that she would get upset over... I mean the last time they saw each other was that one night right before Sasuke left and told her "Thank you"... if anything that would give her a little hope (since its basically the one kind thing he's ever said to her)...

Then again, 3 years is a long time... I guess we will have to see if Sakura's devotion stood the test of time or if it really was a puppy love type thing...

genki sakura

01-27-2005, 06:20 PM

I dont think Sasuke broke her heart... I think Sakura understands why Sasuke did what he did ... yeah she doesnt agree with it and did her best to change his mind but I dont think she took it as a personal thing that she would get upset over... I mean the last time they saw each other was that one night right before Sasuke left and told her "Thank you"... if anything that would give her a little hope (since its basically the one kind thing he's ever said to her)...
true true...

chapter 181...*sniff*...nevermind this last part..

Then again, 3 years is a long time... I guess we will have to see if Sakura's devotion stood the test of time or if it really was a puppy love type thing...
Who knows, if Sasuke comes back uber-sexified and with a new attitude(where he actually cares about her) , well, this should be interesting. But if not, hopefully she got some sense knocked into her over those three years. And even if they don't end up together...well, they still make a couple, imo.

Shadowmage

01-27-2005, 06:25 PM

true true...

chapter 181...*sniff*...nevermind this last part..

Who knows, if Sasuke comes back uber-sexified and with a new attitude(where he actually cares about her) , well, this should be interesting. But if not, hopefully she got some sense knocked into her over those three years. And even if they don't end up together...well, they still make a couple, imo.

Hmmm since when have they ever complicated a relationship in a Shounen manga? I predict that Sakura/Sausuke relationship didn't change too dramatically.

jetfire

01-27-2005, 07:59 PM

I agree... I mean yeah they are a bit taller, but I mean right now they look about as old as Rock Lee and Neiji were 3 years ago, and Rock Lee and Neiji were only a year older than they were...

I mean I dont know what you guys looked like when you were 15/16 but I looked alot older than they do... they look 14 tops...

Also, Im gonna be pissed if Sakura starts to like Naruto now (there was way too much blushing on her part)... I mean if Sakura starts liking Naruto it will feel so manufactured and cliche IMO...

At least this way, if Sakura did end up liking Naruto, at least she would stop crying over Sasuke all the time. It just got to the point of downright annoying. Plus, back then, it felt like a crush/obsession. Now that she's older, I think she'll understand more about what's the difference between love and lust.

I thought the chapter was pretty good. Noone really changed that much, but it still feels good to have the series running again. I'm also wondering if any of the other characters have changed at all, or are looking cooler/acting different.

w0lfW00ds_gh0st

01-27-2005, 09:07 PM

cant wait to get the translations ...... yes i havent been in the manga/anime loop for a while. damn school =_= anyways be back later with my overflowing comments of goodness or overflowing comments of badness (which wont happen)(the badness i mean) ...

Senshi

01-27-2005, 09:59 PM

At least this way, if Sakura did end up liking Naruto, at least she would stop crying over Sasuke all the time. It just got to the point of downright annoying. Plus, back then, it felt like a crush/obsession. Now that she's older, I think she'll understand more about what's the difference between love and lust.

I would hope lust wasnt involved in their relationship when they were 12 :sweatdrop... but yeah I know what you mean... I guess we will just have to see what exactly was the nature of Sakura's admiration... If it is serious and not infatuation...

as a Sasuke/Sakura fan I hope it was the former, but I would understand if it was the latter... As I was talking out in a post from along time ago we never did get some sort of explaination why Sakura is so obsessed with Sasuke... so as far as we know she has no reason... time will tell I guess...

Ninja Realist

01-28-2005, 04:30 AM

As I was talking out in a post from along time ago we never did get some sort of explaination why Sakura is so obsessed with Sasuke...

Ya, but we did get a very clear and genuine explanation as to why Hinata is pining over Naruto. I just can't accept that this would go away. I also think that even if Sakura liked Naruto, he wouldn't feel that way towards her. Sakura and Naruto are friends I think, and just that.

w0lfW00ds_gh0st

01-28-2005, 10:11 AM

ok i thot i could wait till i got a translation but i cant, so does anyone know where i can get the translation from????? PM me or smth

genki sakura

01-28-2005, 03:38 PM

I would hope lust wasnt involved in their relationship when they were 12 :sweatdrop... but yeah I know what you mean... I guess we will just have to see what exactly was the nature of Sakura's admiration... If it is serious and not infatuation...
well now with a bigger hormone factor at 16 will, well, define or not define the lust idea...:sweatdrop:
as a Sasuke/Sakura fan I hope it was the former, but I would understand if it was the latter... As I was talking out in a post from along time ago we never did get some sort of explaination why Sakura is so obsessed with Sasuke... so as far as we know she has no reason... time will tell I guess...
A theory: Sasuke must have done something to Sakura when they were younger. Who knows, maybe he was really nice to Sakura when they were really young and Sakura developed a liking for that. Well, I'm not a boy, so I'm not sure about this part, but maybe boys at sometime or another start to act as if they aren't really crazy about girls? So when Sasuke hit this phase(maybe at about 12), Sakura still was crazy about him from when they were younger, even though he was being a jerk to her, so this may have been a factor. I dunno, it's a theory.

Senshi

01-28-2005, 05:11 PM

A theory: Sasuke must have done something to Sakura when they were younger. Who knows, maybe he was really nice to Sakura when they were really young and Sakura developed a liking for that.

Yeah thats a good theory and I think thats pretty much the case... but its just that Kishimoto has given absolutely no evidence to show where it comes from... all we can do is speculate...

granted it probably isnt the best subject to cover in a shounen action manga, but I really wish Sakura would just mention, even in passing, why exactly she likes Sasuke so much when every interaction hes had with her has been mean or negative (save that one time where Naruto turned into Sasuke and chatted with her - and I REALLY hope that one incident isnt the whole reason why she likes him so much)...

I'm pretty sure ive said this before but I mean yeah being the "cool" kid counts for a lot, but you would think once she spent some time with him and found out how much of a d*ck he can be she would just be like "ah that guys an *******... forget him"...

I mean I can understand that Ino has never really dealt with him that much so she probably doesnt know that much about him, so her infatuation is still purely on that "skin-deep" level... but Sakura? Shes spent so much time with him that she has to know how he really is... so unless shes the type of girl who likes to date *******s, there has to be some sort of deeper relationship between them that hasnt been revealed yet...

Demonshadow9

01-28-2005, 05:44 PM

......dear god.Its a shonen manga , they dont need a reason to be atracted to each other.The sole purpose is to procreate a baby that looks like the father so the manga can go into the second generation.Wait thats dbz >_> nm then

But seriously I dissagree.Actually I will be mad if they due get their own little side story.Why? Cause there is no point at all.Plus I remeber people here complaining about kakashi's side story.Kakashi is sometimes important to the plot.Sakura is there to go "NARUTO" or "SASUKE" whenever they get hit.And last but not least angsty kid paired with semi-mashocistic(did I spell that right) girl can only lead to one thing, Shinji

Ladys and genteman let us pray.

Disclaimer this post was made for comic purposes and because the writer hates both sasuke and sakura , it is also ment to poke fun at the fact that Senshi has yet to realize that bad romance is as much a staple to shonen as the # 2 partner that is never quite as good as the hero. :)

Senshi

01-28-2005, 06:16 PM

Disclaimer this post was made for comic purposes and because the writer hates both sasuke and sakura , it is also ment to poke fun at the fact that Senshi has yet to realize that bad romance is as much a staple to shonen as the # 2 partner that is never quite as good as the hero. :)

I know that this is shounen action and not meant to be a romance story, but I like what little romantic elements are in the story... So I'm sorry if I like to speculate and discuss about a part of the story that I think is interesting... I can relate to Sasuke in some ways, and I like Sakura's character, so I care what happens to them even if you dont... That's why I read the manga - cause I like the characters...

and anyways I'm not asking for Sasuke and Sakura's own sidestory... Im not even asking for a chapter-long flashback... All I'm asking for is one "say bubble" explaining in a sentence or two why she is infatuated with him cause its not well-explained...

Is it so wrong to wonder about a part of the story that isnt well explained? I wonder if Naruto's father was the fourth... I wonder who that girl was talking to Kakashi at the funeral was... I wondered where Kakashi got his sharigan from (until his sidestory anyways)... I also wonder why Sakura is infatuated with Sasuke, thats why I'm discussing it here...

Yeah its not the main plot of the story, but I think its an interesting element nonetheless... so once again "Sorry"...

Illjwamh

01-28-2005, 06:33 PM

That would be messed up. Naruto and hinata are meant for each other. End of story. Naruto with Sakura would be stupid an unrealistic.

I couldn't disagree more. First off, Hinata's cute, there's no denying that, but that's hardly a reason to declare she's Naruto's soulmate. They barely know each other.

Secondly, I don't see how a relationship between Naruto and Sakura would be stupid or "unrealistic." It's a hell of a lot more realistic than a relationship between Sakura and Sasuke, which is in all honesty one of the only two fan-favorite pairings that I've never seen as a possibility (the other being Naruto and Sasuke).

I have no real personal preference, but I believe and have for some time that a relationship between Naruto and Sakura is the most likely, if he puts any in at all.

Ski

01-28-2005, 06:44 PM

I'm glad that all chances for actual talk about where the next few manga chapters can go has been replaced by a pointless shipping debate.

genki sakura

01-28-2005, 06:47 PM

Senshi

01-28-2005, 08:22 PM

Secondly, I don't see how a relationship between Naruto and Sakura would be stupid or "unrealistic." It's a hell of a lot more realistic than a relationship between Sakura and Sasuke, which is in all honesty one of the only two fan-favorite pairings that I've never seen as a possibility (the other being Naruto and Sasuke).

I have no real personal preference, but I believe and have for some time that a relationship between Naruto and Sakura is the most likely, if he puts any in at all.

Yeah I think your right in assuming that its not "unrealistic" cause its definitely possible... I mean some evidence has pointed to this... I mean firstly, there was the time Naruto talked to Sakura as Sasuke... I imagine that if Sakura found out it was Naruto it might change her viewpoint of things... secondly, When Sakura found out that Naruto was the one that saved her from Gaara - not Sasuke... thirdly, she hits him all the time - which is supposed to mean she likes him or something... forthly, the latest chapter where she is all like "He looks all mature and stuff..."

However, there are somethings that point against it... Firstly, while they get along together great Sakura seemingly isnt into a guy like Naruto who is basically a big goofball... granted her viewpoint of him may change over the course of things it just seems like they would make better friends than anything else... There just doesnt seem to be that deeper connection there... but again, who knows what will happen...

And also the reason I believe that you feel Sasuke and Sakura is an unlikely pair is simply because you, like seemingly everybody else, hates Sasuke... To you, its unfathomable for anyone to like him... I honestly think I'm probably the only guy that likes him... well me and like a buncha fangirls that think hes dreamy or something... oh and the yaoi fans...

all in all I think this manga is most likely to end up in one of two ways... 1) Naruto and Sakura get together - Hinata dies saving Naruto saying something like "You've made me strong" as she charges headlong into death, and Sasuke also dies for some reason or 2) Naruto and Hinata hook up, and Sasuke and Sakura hook up... but this is just my prediction...

*edit* actually upon reinspection of chapter 245 Sasuke was actually voted the most popular character beating naruto by like 1000 votes... so at the very least its me, the fangirls, the yaoi fans, and the majority of Japanese readers... ;)

Maveric

01-28-2005, 09:33 PM

...Though I do agree with you on the Naruto and Sasuke idea, a yaoi relationship between the two of them is very possible...
Ok, I must say I am very surprised at this assessment. Where do you get your eveidence for this theory? Yes they are friends, and quite close for that matter (except for the whole "I want to kill you to attain more power deal, but lets not go there yet). But there is no way this is going to turn into a yaoi relationship, if for no other reason than the fact that this is a shonen manga/anime.

Illjwamh

01-28-2005, 09:48 PM

However, there are somethings that point against it... Firstly, while they get along together great Sakura seemingly isnt into a guy like Naruto who is basically a big goofball... granted her viewpoint of him may change over the course of things it just seems like they would make better friends than anything else... There just doesnt seem to be that deeper connection there... but again, who knows what will happen...
Let me establish before I say anything else that I'm not a shipper. I merely try to predict where things are headed.

Sakura's view of Naruto is a difficult one to understand. She initially didn't like him, but at the same time didn't know anything about him. So basically, she disliked him for no reason. Also, she seemed to think he was trying to mess up her chances with Sasuke (which he kind of was, really).

This changed rather quickly though. She was impressed with his abilities right from the start when they had the bell test, if you'll recall. Also, even though on the surface she doesn't seem to like Naruto's boisterous personality, "Inner Sakura" always thought it was hilarious. You have to remember that "Inner Sakura" represents what Sakura really thinks, as opposed to what she presents on the surface.

The three of them, Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke, have all become very close. They're teammates and care about each other a lot. This is evidenced by the behaviour of all three of them several times. And if you look closely in the later volumes (after the death of the third), Sakura really didn't hold Sasuke above Naruto at all, even if she might sometimes say she does. She cares for them equally.

Finally, we get to the end of part one. Sasuke leaves. He breaks her heart (as far as she's concerned, anyway - I'll get to this in a minute). But Naruto is there for her. He respects her feelings for Sasuke and promises to help her in any way she can. Even if she wasn't in such a vulnerable state she would be touched by this. She knows Naruto is a true friend who will never abandon her, no matter what. That's important. And we see at the very end, when she says she'll go with him the next time, that her priorities have changed. Sasuke is gone, and he's not her important person anymore; Naruto is.

Fast forward to the present. She hasn't seen Naruto in two and a half years - in fact if she's been training with Tsunade constantly she probably hasn't seen much of anybody. Then he comes back, and he's all grown up and studly all of a sudden (remember, this is a 15 year old girl's view), he's probably cooler in regard to his skill and whatnot than Sasuke ever was when he was around, and under that he's still the same Naruto that always cared for her and would never leave her. How does a girl not turn into goo at all that?

And also the reason I believe that you feel Sasuke and Sakura is an unlikely pair is simply because you, like seemingly everybody else, hates Sasuke... To you, its unfathomable for anyone to like him... I honestly think I'm probably the only guy that likes him... well me and like a buncha fangirls that think hes dreamy or something... oh and the yaoi fans...

This isn't true. While I won't deny that I don't like him, I never base my speculation on my personaly feelings toward the characters. If that were the case, I'd be saying Shikamaru will be the next Hokage, Temari the Kazekage, and they'd get married and unite the villages with many many children.

Sakura's feelings for Sasuke were superficial. She didn't know him at all, and like Ino and most of the other girls, she liked him because he was cool and mysterious and stuff.

Then she got to know him, and she became friends with both he and Naruto. She still had a crush on him, and he was cute and awesome, so why not? She's only 12.

But then you look at the way he always brushed her aside. He was her friend, but he made it more than clear that he was not interested in anything more than that, and never would be. At this point, Sakura convinced herself that she loved him, because she always had and she wouldn't know how to define herself if that suddenly went away. So she deluded herself into believing that the feelings she had for Sasuke were genuine, even though deep down in her heart she didn't feel that way about him anymore. Also, giving up her crush on him would be like conceding defeat to Ino, which is something Sakura cannot do, if only as a matter of pride. After all, she was the one to declare the rivalry in the first place; if she called it off, she would lose tremendous face.

Then we get to Sasuke himself. The way Sasuke's character is structured, he's simply not capable of having a romantic relationship with anyone, ever. Again, I'm not saying this because I don't like him (I like him as a villain - he's perfect), but because that's simply the way he is. He's obsessed with killing his brother, and nothing else matters besides that. And even if he does achieve his goal, he's so emotionally closed off that any girl - no matter how obsessed - would give up on him before he even began to crack. He's a lost cause for romance. He's the type of guy one admires from afar (like Sakura and Ino did), but when you get to know him, he's not for you. "The wrong kind of man," to use a cliche. Girls like to have fun with them, but always go for the nice guy in the end.

And as if this weren't enough, Sakura's and Sasuke's personalities just don't mix. Sakura's too mischievious and outgoing, and Sasuke's too serious and introverted. They'd drive each other insane.

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TwinchaosX

01-28-2005, 10:16 PM

Let me establish before I say anything else that I'm not a shipper. I merely try to predict where things are headed.

Sakura's view of Naruto is a difficult one to understand. She initially didn't like him, but at the same time didn't know anything about him. So basically, she disliked him for no reason. Also, she seemed to think he was trying to mess up her chances with Sasuke (which he kind of was, really).

This changed rather quickly though. She was impressed with his abilities right from the start when they had the bell test, if you'll recall. Also, even though on the surface she doesn't seem to like Naruto's boisterous personality, "Inner Sakura" always thought it was hilarious. You have to remember that "Inner Sakura" represents what Sakura really thinks, as opposed to what she presents on the surface.

The three of them, Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke, have all become very close. They're teammates and care about each other a lot. This is evidenced by the behaviour of all three of them several times. And if you look closely in the later volumes (after the death of the third), Sakura really didn't hold Sasuke above Naruto at all, even if she might sometimes say she does. She cares for them equally.

Finally, we get to the end of part one. Sasuke leaves. He breaks her heart (as far as she's concerned, anyway - I'll get to this in a minute). But Naruto is there for her. He respects her feelings for Sasuke and promises to help her in any way she can. Even if she wasn't in such a vulnerable state she would be touched by this. She knows Naruto is a true friend who will never abandon her, no matter what. That's important. And we see at the very end, when she says she'll go with him the next time, that her priorities have changed. Sasuke is gone, and he's not her important person anymore; Naruto is.

Fast forward to the present. She hasn't seen Naruto in two and a half years - in fact if she's been training with Tsunade constantly she probably hasn't seen much of anybody. Then he comes back, and he's all grown up and studly all of a sudden (remember, this is a 15 year old girl's view), he's probably cooler in regard to his skill and whatnot than Sasuke ever was when he was around, and under that he's still the same Naruto that always cared for her and would never leave her. How does a girl not turn into goo at all that?

This isn't true. While I won't deny that I don't like him, I never base my speculation on my personaly feelings toward the characters. If that were the case, I'd be saying Shikamaru will be the next Hokage, Temari the Kazekage, and they'd get married and unite the villages with many many children.

Sakura's feelings for Sasuke were superficial. She didn't know him at all, and like Ino and most of the other girls, she liked him because he was cool and mysterious and stuff.

Then she got to know him, and she became friends with both he and Naruto. She still had a crush on him, and he was cute and awesome, so why not? She's only 12.

But then you look at the way he always brushed her aside. He was her friend, but he made it more than clear that he was not interested in anything more than that, and never would be. At this point, Sakura convinced herself that she loved him, because she always had and she wouldn't know how to define herself if that suddenly went away. So she deluded herself into believing that the feelings she had for Sasuke were genuine, even though deep down in her heart she didn't feel that way about him anymore. Also, giving up her crush on him would be like conceding defeat to Ino, which is something Sakura cannot do, if only as a matter of pride. After all, she was the one to declare the rivalry in the first place; if she called it off, she would lose tremendous face.

Then we get to Sasuke himself. The way Sasuke's character is structured, he's simply not capable of having a romantic relationship with anyone, ever. Again, I'm not saying this because I don't like him (I like him as a villain - he's perfect), but because that's simply the way he is. He's obsessed with killing his brother, and nothing else matters besides that. And even if he does achieve his goal, he's so emotionally closed off that any girl - no matter how obsessed - would give up on him before he even began to crack. He's a lost cause for romance. He's the type of guy one admires from afar (like Sakura and Ino did), but when you get to know him, he's not for you. "The wrong kind of man," to use a cliche. Girls like to have fun with them, but always go for the nice guy in the end.

And as if this weren't enough, Sakura's and Sasuke's personalities just don't mix. Sakura's too mischievious and outgoing, and Sasuke's too serious and introverted. They'd drive each other insane.

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I have to agree with you Sakura and Sasuke would never work as a couple.

Senshi

01-28-2005, 10:32 PM

Let me establish before I say anything else that I'm not a shipper. I merely try to predict where things are headed.

what is a shipper? Thats the second time its been said on this thread and I have no idea what it is...

As for the rest of the post, alot of good points (your Naruto points), alot of points that I disagree with (your Sasuke points)... all in all the post is way to long for me to attempt to reply to most of it ;)

I will make a remark on the last point you make tho... outgoing and introverted do mix... think about it... 2 extroverts end up trying to top each other's energy (which is basically what Naruto and Sakura do now)... 2 introverted people would never even meet and wouldnt ever hold a conversation with one another (think about a Hinata and Sasuke pairing... talk about awkward)

I know alot of people in relationships that are different in terms of introverted and extroverted... Hell even I was in a relationship like that semi-recently... opposites attract, better halves, "you complete me" and all that other BS... I'm not saying that it wouldnt work if Naruto and Sakura got together, Im just saying that it could work with Sasuke and Sakura as well...

I just think that Sakura is a caring enough person to see past the faults that Sasuke possesses, and if Sasuke ever learns to appreciate it, he would go for her as well...

but your prediction is probably right as much as I would hate to admit... when you look at the evidence the manga is leaning towards a Naruto/Sakura pairing...

Illjwamh

01-28-2005, 11:51 PM

I didn't mean to imply introversion and extroversion were the only two parts of their personalities I was looking at. You're right, those two can fit together very well and do so often. My roommate is an extreme extrovert and his girlfriend is an extreme introvert, so I can't even pretend to deny this.

There are more parts to a personality than E/I, though. And overall, I do not believe Sasuke and Sakura to be compatible. But it's kind of a moot point by now anyway, so I won't harp on it any longer. :p

Oh, and a "shipper" is one who pushes for a specific couple. Sometimes they make sense (Hinata/Naruto, Sakura/Naruto, Ino/Shikamaru,), and sometimes they don't (Iruka/Kakashi, Sasuke/Naruto, Hinata/Chouji). It's a fanfiction term, and I'm not particularly fond of it to tell the truth, but most people seem to know what it means so I find it's generally an easy way to get my point across.

genki sakura

01-29-2005, 07:05 AM

Ok, I must say I am very surprised at this assessment. Where do you get your eveidence for this theory? Yes they are friends, and quite close for that matter (except for the whole "I want to kill you to attain more power deal, but lets not go there yet). But there is no way this is going to turn into a yaoi relationship, if for no other reason than the fact that this is a shonen manga/anime.
So what if it is a shonen manga, does that mean that there can't be a yaoi relationship? And you said it yourself, they're quite close. Anything could happen and this is a plausible pairing.

Let me establish before I say anything else that I'm not a shipper. I merely try to predict where things are headed.

Sakura's view of Naruto is a difficult one to understand. She initially didn't like him, but at the same time didn't know anything about him. So basically, she disliked him for no reason. Also, she seemed to think he was trying to mess up her chances with Sasuke (which he kind of was, really).

This changed rather quickly though. She was impressed with his abilities right from the start when they had the bell test, if you'll recall. Also, even though on the surface she doesn't seem to like Naruto's boisterous personality, "Inner Sakura" always thought it was hilarious. You have to remember that "Inner Sakura" represents what Sakura really thinks, as opposed to what she presents on the surface.

The three of them, Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke, have all become very close. They're teammates and care about each other a lot. This is evidenced by the behaviour of all three of them several times. And if you look closely in the later volumes (after the death of the third), Sakura really didn't hold Sasuke above Naruto at all, even if she might sometimes say she does. She cares for them equally.

Finally, we get to the end of part one. Sasuke leaves. He breaks her heart (as far as she's concerned, anyway - I'll get to this in a minute). But Naruto is there for her. He respects her feelings for Sasuke and promises to help her in any way she can. Even if she wasn't in such a vulnerable state she would be touched by this. She knows Naruto is a true friend who will never abandon her, no matter what. That's important. And we see at the very end, when she says she'll go with him the next time, that her priorities have changed. Sasuke is gone, and he's not her important person anymore; Naruto is.

Fast forward to the present. She hasn't seen Naruto in two and a half years - in fact if she's been training with Tsunade constantly she probably hasn't seen much of anybody. Then he comes back, and he's all grown up and studly all of a sudden (remember, this is a 15 year old girl's view), he's probably cooler in regard to his skill and whatnot than Sasuke ever was when he was around, and under that he's still the same Naruto that always cared for her and would never leave her. How does a girl not turn into goo at all that?

This isn't true. While I won't deny that I don't like him, I never base my speculation on my personaly feelings toward the characters. If that were the case, I'd be saying Shikamaru will be the next Hokage, Temari the Kazekage, and they'd get married and unite the villages with many many children.

Sakura's feelings for Sasuke were superficial. She didn't know him at all, and like Ino and most of the other girls, she liked him because he was cool and mysterious and stuff.

Then she got to know him, and she became friends with both he and Naruto. She still had a crush on him, and he was cute and awesome, so why not? She's only 12.

But then you look at the way he always brushed her aside. He was her friend, but he made it more than clear that he was not interested in anything more than that, and never would be. At this point, Sakura convinced herself that she loved him, because she always had and she wouldn't know how to define herself if that suddenly went away. So she deluded herself into believing that the feelings she had for Sasuke were genuine, even though deep down in her heart she didn't feel that way about him anymore. Also, giving up her crush on him would be like conceding defeat to Ino, which is something Sakura cannot do, if only as a matter of pride. After all, she was the one to declare the rivalry in the first place; if she called it off, she would lose tremendous face.
Many really good and true points are made there. Perhaps the best there was the point on Sakura seeing Naruto for the first time. But...and don't call me a shipper for it, we also have to see what Sakura's reaction's gonna be to Sasuke. That will probably clear this debate...unless Kishimoto pulls a fast-one on us and pairs Sakura with Neji...which is probably unlikely(I never know where people got that idea for fanfiction though...it's really odd...but a Saku/Neji pairing is good for a love triangle fanfic ^^...but now I'm digress)

Then we get to Sasuke himself. The way Sasuke's character is structured, he's simply not capable of having a romantic relationship with anyone, ever. Again, I'm not saying this because I don't like him (I like him as a villain - he's perfect), but because that's simply the way he is. He's obsessed with killing his brother, and nothing else matters besides that. And even if he does achieve his goal, he's so emotionally closed off that any girl - no matter how obsessed - would give up on him before he even began to crack. He's a lost cause for romance. He's the type of guy one admires from afar (like Sakura and Ino did), but when you get to know him, he's not for you. "The wrong kind of man," to use a cliche. Girls like to have fun with them, but always go for the nice guy in the end.
I agree with this too, but once Sasuke kills Itachi(if that happens), what will be made out of his romantic relationship? He won't have anything to hide behind...the only other thing that I can see happening is him going into seclusion.

And as if this weren't enough, Sakura's and Sasuke's personalities just don't mix. Sakura's too mischievious and outgoing, and Sasuke's too serious and introverted. They'd drive each other insane.
This is one thing I don't agree with though, opposites attract, imo.
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Ski

01-29-2005, 07:49 AM

On a note NOT related to couples:

I'd actually really like to see Naruto kill Itachi. Even better, I'd like to see Sasuke and Itachi fight. Itachi go to kill Sasuke, then end up getting killed by Naruto. It would certainly help fuel the Naruto vs Sasuke fued.

Senshi

01-29-2005, 08:47 AM

I'd actually really like to see Naruto kill Itachi. Even better, I'd like to see Sasuke and Itachi fight. Itachi go to kill Sasuke, then end up getting killed by Naruto. It would certainly help fuel the Naruto vs Sasuke fued.

sounds like more Sasuke hating predictions... I swear everybody on this thread hates Sasuke for some reason except me and GS... I dont understand how the most popular Japanese character can be the most hated here...

Many really good and true points are made there. Perhaps the best there was the point on Sakura seeing Naruto for the first time. But...and don't call me a shipper for it, we also have to see what Sakura's reaction's gonna be to Sasuke.

I agree... we really cant know until they meet each other again... True that Sakura has seen alot of the good points in Naruto and gets along with him great, but again I just dont think that Sakura has the emotion for Naruto that she does for Sasuke...

Maveric

01-29-2005, 09:43 AM

you know, I kinda think it's funny that a bunch of twenty year olds (unless SG is younger since her age doesn't show up) are this passionate about a manga made for younger kids. Ah well at least I'm in good company.

SG: My point about there not being a yaoi relationship because it is a shonen manga is just that. First and formost, it is written for boys (I'd say boys about 12-14 years old for that matter), and boys that age don't want to read about a yaoi relationship (yes, I'm making a gereralization here, but I'm pretty sure I'm right about this one).

For that matter, most boys that age might not want to read about any kind of romance, making this entire disscussion moot if Kishimoto never has any of his characters get together. Yes, that is the age that boys start to notice girls aren't icky, but at the same time they aren't going out and looking for the person they wish to marry. I'm willing to bet that we don't see a conclusion to the "who does everyone get with" bit until quite possibly the epilogue.

TwinchaosX

01-29-2005, 01:58 PM

you know, I kinda think it's funny that a bunch of twenty year olds (unless SG is younger since her age doesn't show up) are this passionate about a manga made for younger kids. Ah well at least I'm in good company.

SG: My point about there not being a yaoi relationship because it is a shonen manga is just that. First and formost, it is written for boys (I'd say boys about 12-14 years old for that matter), and boys that age don't want to read about a yaoi relationship (yes, I'm making a gereralization here, but I'm pretty sure I'm right about this one).

For that matter, most boys that age might not want to read about any kind of romance, making this entire disscussion moot if Kishimoto never has any of his characters get together. Yes, that is the age that boys start to notice girls aren't icky, but at the same time they aren't going out and looking for the person they wish to marry. I'm willing to bet that we don't see a conclusion to the "who does everyone get with" bit until quite possibly the epilogue.

Genki Sakura is 16 according to her birthday thread and my post count goes up by one Yay!

Demonshadow9

01-29-2005, 02:00 PM

sounds like more Sasuke hating predictions... I swear everybody on this thread hates Sasuke for some reason except me and GS... I dont understand how the most popular Japanese character can be the most hated here...

Thats cause you identify with him , so while you can see good things with him people who dont cant be able to do (personally I hate his guts)

And sasuke is more popular among the female readers, angsty people always are for some reason.(just a joke sakura dont kill me)

Also senshi , I read you last post and you think I was attacking you.I wasnt I was just having some fun at your expense.Im sorry if I offended you.

Also regarding jap/american taste, consider Metal gear . Raiden was popular in jap but in america he was regarded as an angsty blonde sissy boy that was taking away time from god Aka Solid snake (Im a Solid snake and Big Boss fan Myself.)

Illjwamh

01-29-2005, 03:34 PM

The main reason a Sasuke/Naruto relationship wouldn't work is because neither of them are gay. :eek: Shocker!

We know Naruto isn't gay anyway, and Sasuke has never shown any indication of being anything. Take my word for it, it's not going to happen.

As for the Itachi thing, I think that would be really cool. Sasuke's being set up to be a great villain/rival here, and I like that. He's an excellent character for that, and I really hope Kishimoto expands on it.

genki sakura

01-29-2005, 03:37 PM

you know, I kinda think it's funny that a bunch of twenty year olds (unless SG is younger since her age doesn't show up) are this passionate about a manga made for younger kids. Ah well at least I'm in good company.
Heh, it's fun being the 16-year old girl being passionate about this type of shonen manga ^^ [/end sarcasm]

SG: My point about there not being a yaoi relationship because it is a shonen manga is just that. First and formost, it is written for boys (I'd say boys about 12-14 years old for that matter), and boys that age don't want to read about a yaoi relationship (yes, I'm making a gereralization here, but I'm pretty sure I'm right about this one).
So what if it's yaoi in shonen manga? Just because it's shonen, it can't have yaoi? I don't think yaoi should be only associated with crazy shojo manga, it can be in anything. imo

Example of yaoi in shonen manga: Kurama/Hiei in YYH. Maybe it's the overimagination of freakish fangirls, but it is technically a plausible relationship.

For that matter, most boys that age might not want to read about any kind of romance, making this entire disscussion moot if Kishimoto never has any of his characters get together. Yes, that is the age that boys start to notice girls aren't icky, but at the same time they aren't going out and looking for the person they wish to marry. I'm willing to bet that we don't see a conclusion to the "who does everyone get with" bit until quite possibly the epilogue.
This has nothing to do with getting married. This is just talk about if there are any romantic relationships in Naruto. Remember, while it's called "shonen", girls will still read it. So while the shonen genres(endless fighting, uber-egos, etc) there still has to be some aspect of romance, even if it's used to attract female readers.

And sasuke is more popular among the female readers, angsty people always are for some reason.(just a joke sakura dont kill me)

lol, *kills Demonshadow9*...j/k^^

The main reason a Sasuke/Naruto relationship wouldn't work is because neither of them are gay. :eek: Shocker!

We know Naruto isn't gay anyway, and Sasuke has never shown any indication of being anything. Take my word for it, it's not going to happen.
Yes, but anything can happen.

As for the Itachi thing, I think that would be really cool. Sasuke's being set up to be a great villain/rival here, and I like that. He's an excellent character for that, and I really hope Kishimoto expands on it.
I agree.

Ski

01-29-2005, 04:18 PM

I don't hate Sasuke. I love him as a villain. I want to see that scenario because of the potential they could have in a Naruto/Sasuke fight.

Senshi

01-29-2005, 08:32 PM

I don't hate Sasuke. I love him as a villain. I want to see that scenario because of the potential they could have in a Naruto/Sasuke fight.

i dont know how Sasuke getting killed by Itachi would help a Naruto/Sasuke fight :rawr:

I mean Im not really for or against Naruto killing Itachi... I just think that it doesnt make sense to just have Sasuke killed off like that in the middle of everything...

Illjwamh

01-29-2005, 11:06 PM

He didn't say he wanted Sasuke killed, just beaten. And then Naruto saves him, or something.

TasukiGODofFIRE

01-29-2005, 11:17 PM

I think sasuke will end up with sakura still. Sasuke's has always been to obsessed with his revenge thats wht he seems like a jerk he doesn't have time for anything else or at least in his mind. There are several scenes that show he's actually a good guy and cares about everyone hes just to shy to show it. Sakura never really gave up on him either after he ran I'm still she hopes on getting him back. At most Sakura's only started to respect naruto but who knows.

Senshi

01-30-2005, 01:36 PM

He didn't say he wanted Sasuke killed, just beaten. And then Naruto saves him, or something.

I re-read it now... I thought it said Itachi kills him, but it says he goes to kill him... my mistake...

yeah I think that would be interesting, or at the very least original...

Ski

02-01-2005, 02:38 PM

Sorry, I could have made that a little more clear. My fault ^_^::

But yes, I'd like to see it, because as of now, everyone expects Sasuke to defeat his brother. It'd be at least some type of plot twist.

w0lfW00ds_gh0st

02-01-2005, 05:02 PM

Judeau

02-01-2005, 08:09 PM

if u want a plot twist then this could be what ur looking for :D

after the 2 and a half year jump. Sasuke leaves Orochimaru to track down his brother to exact revenge on him. Little does he know that Itachi has left the Akatsuki organization, and guess who fills his shoes ... Sasuke. So now Naruto not only is hunting down his best friend, he's also hunting down a wanted nin ....

ooohhhhh plot twisty goodness =P it was better when i first thot of it, didnt come out like i wanted but oh well =P

I don't know if I'd call that a plot twist as much as a plot overhaul. With all these plot twist talks, I don't know if I actually want a plot twist. I mean it's hard to remember so long ago but the two and a half year time jump was the plot twist. I'd actually just like to see how this plays out, plus we get this psudo-added bonus of the whole relationships of pre-teen/teens. It should be good.

w0lfW00ds_gh0st

02-02-2005, 04:32 AM

yeah i guess, but some of my friends want that to happen. i was just throwing it out only to see the reaction on some ppls faces. if it ever were to happen it would happen in about 4-5 more years, after sasuke gets a little stronger

Senshi

02-02-2005, 09:20 AM

Illjwamh

02-02-2005, 12:07 PM

Sasuke's already a wanted nin. He betrayed his village to go train under their worst enemy. @_@

w0lfW00ds_gh0st

02-02-2005, 02:16 PM

Naru .. Naruto .. NARUTO Z!!!!! lol =P yeah i guess we'll just have to wait =P

Demonshadow9

02-02-2005, 07:50 PM

Sasuke's already a wanted nin. He betrayed his village to go train under their worst enemy. @_@

Its amazing how many people refuse to acknowledge that.

Maveric

02-03-2005, 12:47 PM

Ok, found a raw of 246. No I can't read it, but I get the gist of it from the pics. Anywho, all I have to say is:

HOLY COW! SAKURA IS A BEAST! (check out page 10)

Must be the gloves.

Demonshadow9

02-03-2005, 02:19 PM

Ninja Realist

02-03-2005, 04:28 PM

The flashback was nice.

Senshi

02-03-2005, 04:47 PM

HOLY COW! SAKURA IS A BEAST! (check out page 10)

Must be the gloves.

I wanna hear what the "Sakura is useless" people have to say about THAT! :victory:

Maveric

02-03-2005, 05:02 PM

Demonshadow9

02-03-2005, 06:16 PM

Interesting twist to a boring character.However this brings up some balancement issues,if sakura can create a huge crater in the ground from her fist some of the chunin that were stronger then her when the time break began should be disgustenly strong.However if you alow them to gain that strenght then they would be jonin lvl.Hell not even Jiraya or itachi have shown to be that strong .That said at least he is trying to make her interesting.I will be interested in how he develops the character and explain her str

On the other hand, she was being trained by the Hokage after all. I'm sure Tsunade showed her a hell of a lot more tricks than just healing.

I understand that maveric.Lets take the example of lee and neji(yes im biased so lol) They were both being trained by masters of what they want to do; neji being trained by the master of his family and lee being trained by a master of taijitsu.They will probably be nowhere near her physical strengh.Which raises the question how does someone who manages chakara well , can surpass a genius who also specializes in chakara(the heavenly fist etc) and lee who was one of the physicaly strongest of the genin.?On the other hand if they explain that sakura masterd the art of acelerating her metabolism for better healing strength etc then I have no problem and it makes perfect sense.She is a medical ninja now and it would be only natural for her to have that jitsu.However if they just say they trained, then it would raise a question about why naruto (who trained under jiraya) did not adquire such strength so quickly.And jiraya is much more strength minded then tsunade.

p.s-Kakashi has been a chunin since he was 6 right?How in hell did he lose to them so quick?And wtf he had his SHARIGAN out!How did he not see narutos clone for what it is?Also if the sharigan sees chakara how was he suprised by sakuras strength?Wouldent he had seen the chakra gathering in her arm? PLOTHOLED

HOLY COW! SAKURA IS A BEAST! (check out page 10)

Must be the gloves.

I wanna hear what the "Sakura is useless" people have to say about THAT! :victory:

Its called the buddy upgrade.The buddy gets upgraded and then proceeds to fight someone who is stronger then them, but pulls victory through sheer will.Trust me in happens in basicly any shonen series.Besides the chances she will do something besides heal or provide emotional support in this arcs major battle?Very slim.

This is all my opinion.However you must agree that I have a point in regards to the imense strength boost to sakura , which is a good thing for her character but too much too fast.

Maveric

02-03-2005, 06:44 PM

Indeed you have a point, but I still hesitate to call you right because we don't know exactlywhat this is all about, since we can't read Japanese. For all we know, it really is the gloves that gave her that power (I'm reminded of the game NBA Jam when if you made a good dunk, the announcer would sometimes say "Is it the shoes?"). Maybe they have a special seal drawn into them. Maybe the attack isn't physical, but enhanced through chakra. Don't forget that she also had a bunch of brute strength before (as Naruto has learned the hard way on occasion), maybe she's learned to harness it when she isn't pissed off. My guess is chakra enhanced, but we won't know until we get a translation.

As for beating Kakashi so fast, who ever said that the sharingan was the ultimate technique? It has it's flaws. Besides, he only has it in one eye. Sauske's was better even before this 2.5 year jump. Maybe Naruto has been able to beef up his kage bunshin no jitsu so it makes it harder to tell which is the real one. He was obviously expecting Kakashi to counter the way he did, so maybe that was the clone that trapped Kakashi in the end, and he had Naruto trapped.

In the end, he lost because he really didn't know what to expect from Naruto and Sakura. I think they beat him by somehow emitting a high pitched sound. Since Kakashi uses dogs from time to time (and because in one panel he was trying to sniff them out), I think he has hightened senses like a dog, therefore the noise stunned him long enough for the teens to get the bells.

Anywho, all of this is just conjecture until we get a translation. I must say you are correct about the "buddy upgrade" bit there, but I'm not sure if that means Sakura is still gonna be useless, because I think she might be on par with Naruto at the moment (of course, we haven't yet seen what either can really do)

Demonshadow9

02-03-2005, 06:49 PM

Something funny I heard on how they got him to cover his ears

Naruto was spoiling his book so kakashi covered his ears so he wouldent hear it.

Maveric

02-03-2005, 06:53 PM

hahaha! Well there you go! See, they caught him by surprise! Doesn't mean they are better/stronger/smarter than he is, just that they outsmarted him this time. Kakashi is still better than they are.

And you know, after looking at it again, that makes more sense than my theory of high piched noises

Judeau

02-03-2005, 07:17 PM

Sakura, healer, what? Not actually doubting anything here, but yea that was a surprisse. Wouldn't mind reading the chapter in English do decide on what actually happens but, if it what demonshadow said then it makes a lot of sense. Especially because the whole book thing is one of Kakashi quirks. The thing I do like in the chapter is it shows the maturing process. Even if the characters don't look all that different, the differnce in their thought processes shows age. I mean if there is one thing that changes more between the two ages than height it's critical thinking. This did a nice job of that.

Ninja Realist

02-03-2005, 07:25 PM

Actually, I think that Tsunade is much stronger physically than Jiraiya. But while Jiraiya stands a chance against Oro, Tsunade probably doesn't.

Its just that being intelligent, and precise with your Jutsu's is more important than physical strength. Im sure that Neji could destroy Sakura whether she is stronger than him or not.

Judeau

02-04-2005, 12:12 PM

Actually, I think that Tsunade is much stronger physically than Jiraiya.

Just wondering where you came up with this?

Maveric

02-04-2005, 08:03 PM

well, I saw the translation. Demonshadow was right. Why the hell didn't I think of that?

I was right about Sakura's strength though. Chakra enhanced.

Demonshadow9

02-04-2005, 10:43 PM

well, I saw the translation. Demonshadow was right. Why the hell didn't I think of that?

I was right about Sakura's strength though. Chakra enhanced.

Wait a minute , I didnt KNOW that it was just what I read on another forum.Dont want to take credit that isnt mine now do I >_>.

PsychoSaiya-jin

02-05-2005, 03:04 AM

One thing has been nagging me for the longest time.
Naruto originally learn his Kage-bunshin from reading the secret shadow scroll of Konoha which contains all the Kage-type techniques. I've always wondered what other wonders could be lying in that scroll. Maybe Naruto will get to read the rets one day.

I liked the KageBunshin->HENGE movement that naruto pulled of. It's likely he could use that to give himself Kage-dash abilities. Maybe that's how the 4th Hokage was able to move so quickly.. who knows. :D

Maveric

02-05-2005, 06:49 AM

I liked the KageBunshin->HENGE movement that naruto pulled of. It's likely he could use that to give himself Kage-dash abilities. Maybe that's how the 4th Hokage was able to move so quickly.. who knows. :D

He's done that before. During their first mission against whatshisname when Kakashi was trapped in a globe of water.

Illjwamh

02-05-2005, 02:35 PM

Tsunade is the strongest physically of the sannin. This has been established before. Her monster strength is one of her trademarks. It's because of her chakra focusing abilities, which Sakura also possesses.

I was expecting Sakura to be about on par with Naruto, or almost in any case. The previous chapter set that up quite obviously. The only reason she was "usless" in the old days is that she was never motivated before. She's certainly talented and intelligent enough.

The main difference is that pretty much everything she did before (with a few exceptions, of course) was done to impress Sasuke. That's the furthest thing from her mind now. Her main motivation now is Naruto - not to impress him, mind you (though I don't doubt the desire will cross her mind from time to time), but to help him. She's grown up probably more than any other character in the last 2.5 years. Of course we won't know that for sure until we see the rest of them, but that's my guess.

PsychoSaiya-jin

02-06-2005, 02:19 PM

I'm far more interested in what Shikamaru has to offer now [he's due to appear next chapter]. He was crushed as a ninja and a leader 2 years ago and vowed to train hard.
He was probably my favorate character in naruto, so i'll be very interested to see what new techniques he has.

Kagome654

02-09-2005, 07:29 AM

ZOMG! Has anyone seen the new raw chapter?!

The Sand Team is back! Gaara is Kazekage, Temari and Kankuro are Jounins, as are Shikamaru and Neji. Everyone else (except Naruto) are Chuunin. Gaara looks HOT as Kazekage. For some reason the Akatsuki is attacking the Sand

Ninja Realist

02-09-2005, 08:15 AM

Kagome654

02-09-2005, 08:42 AM

Check out this link Photobucket (http://photobucket.com/albums/v666/zuiken01/Naruto%20247/)

Gaara! *____*

Edit: I just checked, NarutoFan has the RAW as well. I'm just so happy...*easily amused*

Judeau

02-09-2005, 09:26 AM

lllll..., Don't like how some of the characters look exactly the same. Besides maybe hight, no aging is apparent. Garra's psudo shag mullet..., Don't know.

jetfire

02-09-2005, 09:35 AM

I gotta agree with some characters looking exactly the same. It would have been more fun to see them change a bit more. Also, I wonder if Shikamaru and Temari are together, or by the looks of it, they will be. I don't really care either way, but I kinda noticed it. When the Translated version comes out it'll make more sense. And I also see a Vampire Hunter D ripoff, with the hand with the mouth. I don't know if it talks, but it really reminds me of it. Gaara looks a bit older though.

Maveric

02-09-2005, 09:44 AM

...And I also see a Vampire Hunter D ripoff, with the hand with the mouth. I don't know if it talks, but it really reminds me of it...
So, do we still get to make lewd jokes about his left hand? :D

I dunno, I thought the all looked older. Gaara more than the others to be sure, but Tenmari certaily seems older to me. Maybe it's just that they seem taller for some reason.

Kagome654

02-09-2005, 10:05 AM

Well, it has only been about two and a half years, Temari wasn't going to change much as she was already 15, women generally stop growing at a much younger age then men. Shikamaru wasn't going to change his appearence much as the hairstyle seems to be a family trait. I happen to think that both Gaara and Naruto look a little older, but I suppose it's only opinion.

As for Shikamaru and Temari going out, well, Naruto asked if they were on a date but they denied it...

The Akatsuki's target seems to be Gaara, I hope he doesn't get his arse kicked by two random Akatsuki members...

w0lfW00ds_gh0st

02-09-2005, 10:23 AM

ok now thats not what i wanted to know just yet, damn spoiler tags not working in emails -_-**** oh well i might as well just go get the raw then T_T

Ninja Realist

02-09-2005, 12:38 PM

I dont get how the mouth-hand guy killed people.

Demonshadow9

02-09-2005, 01:41 PM

Ah....shikumaru and temari looked so cute>_>.Thats said Neji rules .Period.Without discussion.Same applys to rock-lee.

Ninja Realist

02-09-2005, 01:59 PM

Yah Im really glad that they didnt go with Shika x Ino, Shika x Temari os much more interesting.

w0lfW00ds_gh0st

02-10-2005, 06:52 AM

gaara as the kazekage, i sorta saw that happening. just never thot it would happen. cuz after his father died he was the strongest shinobi in the sand village (who wants to take on a semi-psychopathic boy with a raccoon monster in him anyway????)

Demonshadow9

02-10-2005, 10:59 AM

Kagome654

02-10-2005, 11:06 AM

Racoon monster?

Wasnt it his mothers spirit that posesed the sand and never allowed him to sleep?

No, actually

Gaara was possesed at birth by the Demon Tanuki (raccoon dog), Shukuka(?), which prevents him from sleeping because it will eat his personality if he sleeps. Gaara's Mother seems to just be a part of Gaara's madness. She's dead and gone but Gaara still talks to her, perhaps due to his own unresolved guilt over his birth being the cause of her death

Demonshadow9

02-10-2005, 11:49 AM

But there was a part about her being sacraficed or something and her blood mixed with the sand.Im confused

But then again maybe im mixing series up, I have done it before.

Kagome654

02-10-2005, 01:15 PM

But there was a part about her being sacraficed or something and her blood mixed with the sand.Im confused

But then again maybe im mixing series up, I have done it before.

It's possible that when she died her blood mixed with the sand, but unlike with the tanuki we have no real reason to believe that her consciousness actually lives on in any sense. Gaara's 'talks' with her may all be in his mind, basically dementia. It's possible she may exist as a spirit, but the impression I always got from it (just opinion really) is that Gaara just has a 'Mommy' complex and saying his mom tells him to kill people is just how he deals with it. In a strange way he's seeking approval from the mom he never knew and that his Uncle said hated him. His natural bloodlust, caused be the demon tanuki, combined with his emotional trauma and lack of sleep has lead him to believe that his Mother talks to him and wants 'blood' and Gaara, wanting so badly to be loved by anyone, even the bloodthirsty mother he created in his mind, will do anything to make her happy

It really is kind of sad when you think about.

Illjwamh

02-11-2005, 11:43 PM

Yah Im really glad that they didnt go with Shika x Ino, Shika x Temari os much more interesting.

I love how they were walking around for a meeting and everyone automatically assumes they're picking out curtains already. :_insane:

And who is this "they" you speak of?

Anyway, I kind of figured that sand guy was a traitor right from the start. And I laughed at the name Sasori, which means "Scorpion."

Gaara as Kazekage is cool, and I expected it, but it happened much sooner than I thought it would.

Shadowmage

02-15-2005, 05:54 PM

It's possible that when she died her blood mixed with the sand, but unlike with the tanuki we have no real reason to believe that her consciousness actually lives on in any sense. Gaara's 'talks' with her may all be in his mind, basically dementia. It's possible she may exist as a spirit, but the impression I always got from it (just opinion really) is that Gaara just has a 'Mommy' complex and saying his mom tells him to kill people is just how he deals with it. In a strange way he's seeking approval from the mom he never knew and that his Uncle said hated him. His natural bloodlust, caused be the demon tanuki, combined with his emotional trauma and lack of sleep has lead him to believe that his Mother talks to him and wants 'blood' and Gaara, wanting so badly to be loved by anyone, even the bloodthirsty mother he created in his mind, will do anything to make her happy

It really is kind of sad when you think about.

Hmmm to clear up the previous posts:
Gaara was given the curse of the Tanuki as a fetus, and during birth the Tanuki spirit used Gaara's mother's body for food, thus she was a sacrifice for the monster.
I also agree with Kagome that Gaara has somewhat of a mother complex seeing as he had no mother. I beleive it has been shown that most children desire to see their parents even if they have never met them before.

Maveric

02-15-2005, 07:32 PM

do we really need the spoilor tags? I mean if they're read ing this thread, then they know there are going to be spoilers from the more recent chapters.

Incidentally, I flipped through a Shonen Jump mag at work the other day, and the American version is only up to the Chunin trials, just after Sauske is bitten by Orochimaru. Wow, that was ages ago...

jetfire

02-15-2005, 08:01 PM

Judeau

02-16-2005, 05:07 AM

Incidentally, I flipped through a Shonen Jump mag at work the other day, and the American version is only up to the Chunin trials, just after Sauske is bitten by Orochimaru. Wow, that was ages ago...

O the good times.

Maveric

02-16-2005, 09:20 AM

I find it kinda funny how Naruto is only a genin, when even Sakura is a Chuunin, Temari is a Jounin and Gaara is a Kazakage. I suppose Naruto will take the Chuunin exam and completely own everyone else, and probably take a Jounin exam right after. Or maybe even just skip right to Jounin. I'm also surprised that Shikamaru isnt a Jounin. And I think it's a bit to early for Gaara to be Kazekage. Yeah they needed another one, and Gaara is very powerful, but only in two and a half years? Cmon!

Who would oppose him? The last Kazekage died when Orochimaru took his place. The title of "Kage" for all the villiages means the person is the strongest of the clan (which is why the Third gave up his title to the Fourth before he died, it's not necessarily a life term). Gaara is obviously the strongest in the Sand Villiage, he just didn't really have the ambition. His experiences with Naruto changed that I think.

Ninja Realist

02-17-2005, 09:29 PM

248 Raw is out, it shows why Gaara is Kazekage.

Judeau

02-19-2005, 05:24 PM

248 didn't say much, but seeing Gaara in action again was enjoyable.

Illjwamh

02-19-2005, 08:07 PM

248 Raw is out, it shows why Gaara is Kazekage.

That was freaking awesome. And she was Akatsuki, too. Damn.

Demonshadow9

02-20-2005, 01:49 PM

I wasnt really impresed by the atasuki girl.Exploding birds and spiders are ... meh at best even though its original(or was it origami? looked kinda lika paper to me<_<).

Maveric

02-20-2005, 06:18 PM

(or was it origami? looked kinda lika paper to me<_<).
I thought so too actually.

Ninja Realist

02-20-2005, 06:19 PM

I wasnt really impresed by the atasuki girl.Exploding birds and spiders are ... meh at best even though its original(or was it origami? looked kinda lika paper to me<_<).

ummmmm......Origami is paper.

Demonshadow9

02-21-2005, 12:21 AM

ummmmm......Origami is paper.

Read it again realist , or maybe I typed it wrong, what I meant was "I think it was origami , cause it looked like paper".

Ninja Realist

02-21-2005, 10:24 AM

Read it again realist , or maybe I typed it wrong, what I meant was "I think it was origami , cause it looked like paper".

Ooohhhh ooops, I misunderstood what you said. I definetly think it was origami.

shadothemur

02-21-2005, 02:21 PM

http://www.origamiboulder.com/

Maveric

02-21-2005, 04:52 PM

http://www.origamiboulder.com/

*dies laughing*

Ninja Realist

02-22-2005, 08:00 AM

http://www.origamiboulder.com/

Thats almost as bad as the chocolate sushi.

Senshi

02-22-2005, 05:58 PM

hmm well we saw that girls arm get crushed by gaara... but Im thinking she will do something to grow it back maybe

Lavi

02-22-2005, 06:36 PM

hmm well we saw that girls arm get crushed by gaara... but Im thinking she will do something to grow it back maybe

i'll bet you that her arm was made out of paper...so a bit of magic origami, and presto! her arm is back

Senshi

02-22-2005, 06:56 PM

yeah or like a paper shadow clone or something... who knows...

Hmm who do you think will win?

Well the girl is an Akatsuki (sp?) so you know she has to be pretty hardcore to be in the same group as Itachi and that dude with the spikey sword, so you know we havent seen the extent of her powers yet. Pretty much a wild card since all we really know is that she is pretty powerful and hangs out with really powerful dudes (and says "yeah" all the time for some reason - wtg loss in translation)

Gaara on the other hand is the Kazekage, is possessed by a demon, and has "the perfect defense" with his jug of sand... While Gaara has been beaten a couple of times (by Naruto and to a lesser extent Sasuke) we still have seen him beat hardcore guys like Kimimaro and Rock Lee. Add 3 years on to his powers and youve got one badass

Now we know that Gaara is on his home turf, so basically EVERYTHING around him is a weapon... but again we would think Akatsuki wouldnt send a lightweight to bring in the freaking Kazekage... plus Kimimaro and Rock Lee were pretty much Taijutsu types and this girl is more of a Ninjutsu type.

Also, the defeat of Gaara might prove to be an interesting plot device (its like "if they defeated Gaara how can Naruto stand a chance") then again, this story could be just to show how big of a badass Gaara has become...

Ah screw it my vote is on Gaara even tho it seems like he might be getting set up here...

Lavi

02-22-2005, 10:06 PM

i'm willing to bet gaara will win this one. why? cause my friend said so.
http://www.animeacademy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18157
he's been making predictions for naruto from the very beginning, and i dont remember him ever being wrong so far

shadothemur

02-22-2005, 10:59 PM

holy crap my origami boulder actually had some relevance in here?? i was jus spa-- postin some crap... cuz someone sed origami. props to my frend who showed it to me hahah

Senshi

02-24-2005, 02:41 PM

jetfire

02-24-2005, 08:32 PM

I was pretty surprised about what happened to Gaara. Not that I expected him to win, but I did expect him to hold them off until maybe more help arrived or something. At most, I didnt expect him to go down so quickly. Yeah, I know it's Akatsuki, but still, he became the freakin Kazakage so quick! That's gotta count for an incredible amount of skill. An amount of skill that should be defeated so easily. But I guess when you really think about it, the Akatsuki members are much older and experienced, and could have taken a Hokage position if they werent evil.

rvx3452000

02-25-2005, 06:09 AM

i was suprised he was kazekage as well, but i figured he'd lose, cuz its akasuki, i mean, what fun would it be if gaara beat her?

Ski

02-25-2005, 06:41 AM

Yeah, he has to lose. Akatsukie has been set up to be these powerful evil-doers, and if Gaara had won with that little effort. It's interesting to see what they do with him.

I think that Akatsuki is after the nine demons. They want Naruto's Kyuubi, and they're after Gaara's badger (presumably)...

It will be interesting.

Ninja Realist

02-25-2005, 01:02 PM

Demonshadow9

02-25-2005, 02:17 PM

More importantly since when is gaara that nice?Oh well it was bound to happen sooner of later but i liked the crazy "im going to kill you your children and your cat" mentality gaara>_>

Ninja Realist

02-25-2005, 02:19 PM

More importantly since when is gaara that nice?Oh well it was bound to happen sooner of later but i liked the crazy "im going to kill you your children and your cat" mentality gaara>_>

He had a revelation when he fought Naruto.

Judeau

02-25-2005, 05:00 PM

I don't actually like that Gaara lost so easily. It either means that Naruto has gotten 1 Billion times stronger (as he could only beat Gaara before by going crazy fox style) thus giving him a shot against Akatsuki members, or else he'll just get the crap kicked out of him. I'd rather have seen Gaara atleast put up a little more of a fight though he did have the Akatsuki girl on the ropes for a little bit.

Senshi

02-25-2005, 06:54 PM

While I wish that Gaara did put up more of a fight, I think it mostly ended so quickly cause the manga has alot more stuff to cover... I mean if they spent like 5 or 6 chapters (remember thats like 5-6 weeks) on Gaara that would be a bit much doncha think? We would be wondering wtf happened to Naruto... I mean he JUST got back to Konoha and suddenly there is this long ass Gaara side event... I think the 2.5 chapters he got was generous...

Judeau

02-25-2005, 08:25 PM

Ninja Realist

02-26-2005, 11:23 PM

Translation is out, turns out that stuff isn't paper, but its in fact clay.

Illjwamh

02-27-2005, 02:15 AM

And apparently she makes it by eating stuff and then regurgitating it out through her hand.

@_@

Mr.Hill

02-27-2005, 09:29 AM

wherr do you get naruto chapters

genki sakura

02-27-2005, 11:11 AM

We can't tell you that on the forums outright...against forum rules...

Demonshadow9

02-27-2005, 09:22 PM

So it was clay?That is weird >_>.That said gaara isnt the kiind of person to take this lying down.....maybe he will wake up and break free mid flight?His sands would break his fall for him.

Illjwamh

02-27-2005, 10:44 PM

What I'm interested in now is what Akatsuki plans to do with him. My guess is they want to extract the demon from him, but I don't know how they would go about doing that.

Moreover, what would Gaara be like without Shukaku? The majority of his power and technique relies on the demon tanuki, so if it were suddenly taken away, he'd be almost helpless.

Lavi

02-27-2005, 11:06 PM

i have a feeling that in order to extract a demon from a person, you'll have to kill them..

Ninja Realist

02-28-2005, 11:51 AM

i have a feeling that in order to extract a demon from a person, you'll have to kill them..

Well yeah, because remember how that one Akatsuki guy who looked like a shark wanted to cut Naruto's legs off so they could carry him? The fact that they could cut his legs off then his life obviously wasn't necessary to extract the soul of the Kyubbi.

Illjwamh

02-28-2005, 12:56 PM

jetfire

02-28-2005, 06:31 PM

But they wanted him alive.

Granted, that may be just because they need certain equipment to extract the demons that they can't carry around with them.

What I wanna know is, what are they gonna do with the demons once they get them?

Probably use them to become all powerful and kill everything. And if there's 9 demons, we'll probably see now, the Ataksuki take each demon one by one (maybe they have some of them already), and maybe some characters will have a certain demon but have no clue that they have them. Anyway, I'm guessing it will result in Naruto having to fight off the power of 8 demons. Hey, he already beat one (Gaara's demon).

Demonshadow9

02-28-2005, 09:54 PM

Probably use them to become all powerful and kill everything. And if there's 9 demons, we'll probably see now, the Ataksuki take each demon one by one (maybe they have some of them already), and maybe some characters will have a certain demon but have no clue that they have them. Anyway, I'm guessing it will result in Naruto having to fight off the power of 8 demons. Hey, he already beat one (Gaara's demon).

If the 4th gave his life to seal one demon, theres no way in hell naruto is beating 8, unless every villiage sends their elite to back him up. :suspiciou

Senshi

03-01-2005, 04:06 AM

If the 4th gave his life to seal one demon, theres no way in hell naruto is beating 8, unless every villiage sends their elite to back him up. :suspiciou

but you gotta remember that Naruto has demon chakra - the forth didnt... plus he was only 12 at the time when he beat Gaara's Tanuki... plus who knows how much untapped power the nine-tails allows him...

hate to say it but the nine-tails may make for a lot of "Now I shall show you my true power" moments... hopefully not tho, or at least hopefully he will keep it fresh...

and How will Gaara be without Shukaku? Probably hella less powerful... I mean he may have his jug of sand and whatnot but definitely dont expect him to summon forth ginormous waves of sand anymore... I think all Shukaku did was give him crazy amounts of Chakra like Naruto...

Demonshadow9

03-01-2005, 10:05 AM

Illjwamh

03-01-2005, 01:31 PM

but you gotta remember that Naruto has demon chakra - the forth didnt... plus he was only 12 at the time when he beat Gaara's Tanuki... plus who knows how much untapped power the nine-tails allows him...

By which you imply naruto is one the same lvl as the hokage, the legendary 3 and all the elite ninjas.And yet he lost to to Sasuke"I listen to emo, and like dark brooding sessions" Uchia.Nine tails gives him some healing and alot of stamina , but no where near that much.Hell if the 4th was around jirayas lvl(based on my opinon) naruto would have surpased 99.9% of the ninjas of the world.l

Well you also have to remember that when he lost to Sasuke he was only 13. Now he's only 15, almost 16. He's obviously not at that level of skill and power right now, but he will be someday. I believe so, anyway.

And I'm pretty sure there are four great demons. I'm not positive, but I think it was mentioned early on.

Senshi

03-01-2005, 04:51 PM

By which you imply naruto is one the same lvl as the hokage, the legendary 3 and all the elite ninjas.And yet he lost to to Sasuke"I listen to emo, and like dark brooding sessions" Uchia.Nine tails gives him some healing and alot of stamina , but no where near that much.Hell if the 4th was around jirayas lvl(based on my opinon) naruto would have surpased 99.9% of the ninjas of the world.l

have you seen Naruto when his demon chakra kicks in? we have been reading the same manga right... with demon chakra he summons ginormous frogs (he can summon the same frog level as Jiraiya - maybe even higher)... he moves so fast that even Sharingan cant pick it up... Sasuke put his hand straight through him and he still lived... He summons hundreds upon hundreds of shadow clones...

and as Illjwamh mentioned that was all 3 years ago - when he still hasnt fully learned to control the demon chakra! plus the past 3 years were all spent training under Jiraiya... I mean I think your seriously underestimating Demon Chakra here...

also this is Naruto - I think its safe to assume that he is going to become strong enough to be Hokage as soon as he learns to fully control the nine-tails... plus - although it has not been confirmed - its possible that the forth is Naruto's father... That would give him even more of an edge...

right now Naruto is potentially more powerful than anybody on the planet - he just hasnt had enough experience, and he hasnt learned to fully control the chakra yet... once he achieves those 2 things he will be near undefeatable...

Illjwamh

03-01-2005, 04:59 PM

Still, power only goes so far without skill. So he'll need to keep practicing, and learning a few new jutsu probably wouldn't hurt either.

Demonshadow9

03-02-2005, 10:26 AM

Potencial=/= power, yes he has the fox but he cant control it or summon it at will.Allow me to give an example

Someone super fast runs up to him and stabs him(they ARE ninjas for gods sake), thats it no fox no berserker power , he's dead.Im really getting real sick of hero deus ex machina(because im the hero I get to power up fast while everyone else actually works for it>_>) Naruto is not hokage material yet, he has the fox but then again the fox kicks in whenever it wants to NOT when naruto decides to.That said Jonin most likely(even they are supposed to be the elite, dont know why they would let kids in, but hey its manga kids do everything from piloting mechs to saving the world >_<)

*goes back to reading one piece .Luffy>>>>naruto you know its true>_>

Senshi

03-02-2005, 06:17 PM

Yeah im sure if RIGHT NOW in the story he got gang banged by all 4, or 8 or however many demons there are he would more than likely get his ass kicked... but Im guessing that alot of sh*t is gonna happen to Naruto before he gets to a point where he is going to have to fight them... And in those fights or whatever he is gonna gain alot more techniques, experience, etc...

like I said: he is potentially the strongest nin in "Naruto-land" or whatever the world is called... All he needs is experience and more training...

Kagome654

03-03-2005, 04:30 AM

*cries* If the new translations are anything to go by Kankuro is going to get himself killed trying to save his brother. Wah, I like Kankuro, even if he's acting like an idiot, he's doing it with brotherly rage.

Maveric

03-03-2005, 12:43 PM

Anybody else think the fish-eye lens perspective on page 4 looks really weird?

Oh, and Kankuro carries scrolls now instead of the puppet, but still uses the same jutsu? How the hell does that work? I mean, if he were carrying small puppets that grew I would say that it fits into the magic of the series, but the scrolls is a bit out there. This is the first we've seen scrolls summon inanimate objects.

Demonshadow9

03-03-2005, 01:40 PM

Im tired of trying to explain everything that happend since the time jump maveric,I think I will just settle with Deus ex machina, your one stop explanation for those wtf moments :)

Kagome654

03-03-2005, 01:58 PM

Oh, and Kankuro carries scrolls now instead of the puppet, but still uses the same jutsu? How the hell does that work? I mean, if he were carrying small puppets that grew I would say that it fits into the magic of the series, but the scrolls is a bit out there. This is the first we've seen scrolls summon inanimate objects.

No it isn't. Ten-Ten used scrolls to summon her weapons when she was fighting Temari. Granted, it was an anime add in, but it did set the precedent and we saw nothing before or after in the manga that would render it inaccurate. Not to mention we can assume in the manga that she summoned them as well by the fact the amount of weapons on the floor between herself and Temari were more than she could ever plausibly carry. :blah4:

Er...not that it matters at all

Maveric

03-03-2005, 04:14 PM

Bah. You're right Kagome. Thanks for clearing that up. Can't believe I forgot about Ten-Ten...

Kagome654

03-03-2005, 05:37 PM

Ten-Ten is surprisngly easy to forget...

Though she's a lot of fun in the GNT video game.

Ninja Realist

03-03-2005, 06:00 PM

That one guy's Spine-tail-thing was creepy.

Kagome654

03-03-2005, 06:09 PM

Wasn't it just? I'm wondering why the Akatsuki attracts all these freaks. I'm also hoping against hope that Kankuro will win...though at the point I'll be happy with anything so long as he doesn't die.

Lex

03-03-2005, 06:50 PM

Going back to extraction for a moment: who even said that the Shukaku has to be pried away from Gaara's body? Something tells me that it might not even be possible. Gaara and the Shukaku were bound together before even birth; it's likely that trying to pry one away from the other could have fatal consequences to either or both of them. It depends on how deeply their essences/chakras are mingled. I think "extraction" is probably as simple as bringing out the Shukaku from Gaara by throwing Gaara into a forced stupor, as Gaara once did to himself in his fight against Naruto at the end of the Chuunin Exam arc. Once they have the Shukaku out, it doesn't really matter to Akatsuki if Gaara is dormant inside...

I haven't been following the manga for a while (I'm one of the apparently rare breed that prefer Naruto in animated form rather than in manga form) but is there anything that suggests Gaara is now in complete control of the Shukaku and that causing him to take over Gaara is now impossible?

Senshi

03-04-2005, 02:41 AM

Well Im sure if Kishimoto feels like it he can have the Akatsuki invent some sorta special demon extraction ritual jutsu or something... Thats the one convienent part about the whole "jutsu" system in this manga - basically a ninja could pull anything out his ass if he knows the jutsu for it...

but they obviously want the demons for something, how they are going to get to them, and for what purpose is still a mystery...

Illjwamh

03-04-2005, 12:40 PM

That one guy's Spine-tail-thing was creepy.

Haha, yeah. As I said on another board, at least we know now why his name is 'Scorpion.' :p

I haven't been following the manga for a while (I'm one of the apparently rare breed that prefer Naruto in animated form rather than in manga form) but is there anything that suggests Gaara is now in complete control of the Shukaku and that causing him to take over Gaara is now impossible?

It would seem so. Gaara is much more emotionally stable now than he used to be. Hell, even before the time jump he seemed to have mellowed significantly. Still, your theory is plausible. But that would only work if Akatsuki just wanted Shukaku to cause random destruction. I get the feeling they want his power for themselves.