Naruto, the hokage!?

[Maveric]

ACK! I can't read Japanese! But, I could kinda get the jist of it from the pics. Looks like another week before anything happens again....

[Minnie]

nooooooo. sasuke's too slow and now naruto's caught up with him! *whine*

the idiot! i wanted him to be FULLY evil. i want my plot twist, dangnabbit! and now it'll probably be a long time until we get to see chouji and neji's condition, which i've been dreading for all this time. aasdsfdkfk.

ooh, but sasuke has a brand spankin' new eye. like kakashi, only evil-looking!

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Scarlett Fire
ooh, but sasuke has a brand spankin' new eye. like kakashi, only evil-looking!

its suppose to be an Orochimaru eye... apparently hes already a little possessed by Oro cause he laughs like: "kukuku"

[Minnie]

nyahahaha. that cracked me up so bad.

his level 2 curse seal form kinda looked like Shinigami from behind. yeah... kinda. i already over-analyzed this chapter somewhere else. n.n i have nothing to jibber about it anymore.

[Sage Brushfire]

i've recently hit volume 218 and the manga still dosen't get old, true that it is heading some what down the path that dbz took with the overpowerment, but with the great storyline that it has i think that it still will only keep getting better and better

[Illjwamh]

Originally posted by jetfire
Naruto 218 is out! I'm really starting to like where this is going. Sasuke's really a jerk though. I hope Naruto kicks the crap out of him.
You're not the only one, buddy. Believe you me.

I've been waiting for this confrontation for a while. I hope it lives up to what I've grown to expect.

As to why I've waited until Wednesday evening to post my thoughts...I have no idea.

[jetfire]

Naruto 219 is now out. Mostly a lot of typical punches and kicks in this episode, although I do like one move Naruto pulls off.

[Senshi]

yup im expecting another drawn out battle... this one should end sometime this fall my guess... ;)

kinda curious how it is gonna end... my guess is we are gonna get another interruption from a third party while the 2 beat the bejesus out each other...

[jetfire]

Originally posted by Senshi
yup im expecting another drawn out battle... this one should end sometime this fall my guess... ;)

kinda curious how it is gonna end... my guess is we are gonna get another interruption from a third party while the 2 beat the bejesus out each other...

Yeah that really wouldnt surprise me. I also think it'd be a good plot twist if Sasuke actually got away and became evil. Mainly because it would be less predictable, than the expected "Naruto wins again, Sasuke turns good again, everyone's happy" result.

[rvx3452000]

WOW, i missed 2 chaps already, i gotta catch up somehow, time to download.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by jetfire
Yeah that really wouldnt surprise me. I also think it'd be a good plot twist if Sasuke actually got away and became evil. Mainly because it would be less predictable, than the expected "Naruto wins again, Sasuke turns good again, everyone's happy" result.

I think you'll get yer wish... Sasuke is pretty freaking evil now... Dont think he is gonna turn good unless there is some kinda major plot twist...

[Lavi]

Originally posted by Senshi
I think you'll get yer wish... Sasuke is pretty freaking evil now... Dont think he is gonna turn good unless there is some kinda major plot twist...

great, another plot twist

[Minnie]

yesss, plot twist~~! >DD

i don't think he's evil. o_O he's become desperate for power after itachi shows up when he fails to kill his brother. doubt in his abilities and irrational thought can make a person do the stupidest of things.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Scarlett Fire
i don't think he's evil. o_O he's become desperate for power after itachi shows up when he fails to kill his brother. doubt in his abilities and irrational thought can make a person do the stupidest of things.

I donno... hes seems pretty evil to me... I mean he seemed to really enjoy beating the crap outta Naruto last chapt... guess we wont know for sure unless he's faced with a choice like "kill sakura or you dont get power"...

I really hope he isnt evil tho... Sasuke is still my favorite character... hope he goes to Orochimaru and whups his ass... then goes to itachi and whups his ass too... then parties over in Konoha with a beer in one hand and Sakura in the other...

but thats just wishful thinking...

[Minnie]

well, it depends on one's definition of evil, i guess. i don't think he's totally indifferent or else he would have just killed Sakura when he had the chance on the night of his disappearance. he showed mercy. he, however, has a grudge against naruto, so he has no qualms with fighting the other because he stands in the way of getting to orochimaru and promised powers.

i think there's hope for the manbitch. *nods* as a friend once said, "i'm tired of the 'let's beat the evil out of him' crap". MY hope is it doesn't go that way, because i really want to know how Sound works. T_T

[Hideki]

Originally posted by Senshi
yup im expecting another drawn out battle... this one should end sometime this fall my guess... ;)



i'm not sure if some else said this.. or if u felt this...

but i origionally also thought that naruto was starting to slow, down, (i had started reading the manga around 185) but if u go back and say, limit urself to one chapter per week in the juicy parts, it'll seem very drawn out and long...

in other words, if u didn't feel so... this series has always been drawn out and long... most series are drawn out and long when ur waiting for em

[Senshi]

I know its always been slow... thats why I commented that its going to be another drawn out battle... not: "whats this? a drawn out battle? naruto never does that!"

[Judeau]

uhg well after half the world talk about naruto- even people who dont read manga have questioned me on naruto- i decided i'd read it. I didnt expect much but i dont know i like it and now im on chapter 206. Yea chapter 206 a great place to be stuck at... But i kinda like the pacing and the "feel" of the manga. But after all this "Look we have level 2 curses" followed with "look we're first year geniins but seem to beat your level 2 curses" is kinda getting annoying, hope it doesnt get rediculous

[Minnie]

Originally posted by Judeau
uhg well after half the world talk about naruto- even people who dont read manga have questioned me on naruto- i decided i'd read it. I didnt expect much but i dont know i like it and now im on chapter 206. Yea chapter 206 a great place to be stuck at... But i kinda like the pacing and the "feel" of the manga. But after all this "Look we have level 2 curses" followed with "look we're first year geniins but seem to beat your level 2 curses" is kinda getting annoying, hope it doesnt get rediculous

i think Kishimoto is saying that against impossible odds, you can beat such obstacles with the right motivation. besides, chouji was on gumball steroids and neji had the all-seeing eye. those who helped the rest of the Genin team were far more advanced Sand-nin. being the children of the Kazekage should have benefitted them with more intense training than younger Konoha-nin since they were at a time of peace until recently.

[Senshi]

also, the Konoha crew has the benefit of Shikamaru's genius strategies... and that IMO is worth at least a lvl 1 seal...

and yeah remember Chouji and Neji pretty much had to die in order for them to beat the sound nins and the rest of them probably would have died if they didnt get the help of the sand nin...

[Minnie]

i think Shikamaru's strategies helped them for the earlier part of the retrieval mission. when they got split up, they had to use their own resources to try to defeat the Sound-nin each were up against. o.<

[Judeau]

i dont think chouji died though, i can just feel a heartful tearful reunion in the future. And read up to 219 and can see the drawn out battle that will end with both of them doing there super cool hand techniques but who knows who will win

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Judeau
i dont think chouji died though, i can just feel a heartful tearful reunion in the future. And read up to 219 and can see the drawn out battle that will end with both of them doing there super cool hand techniques but who knows who will win

well I bet they didnt die as some of the characters in Naruto seem to survive near death experiences... but then again... that hole in Neji was pretty freaking huge... and those red pills are suppose to kill Chouji...

then again there may be some Jounin hiding out in the bushes or something ready to wisk em away to the hospital, which is how Im speculating the Naruto/Sasuke fight might end... like an appearance from Kakashi or something...

[LordOdin]

i dun think they will die either... i doubt the fifth hokage will just send some kids to ochimaru without backup... maybe she will send junins after them or the girls (hinata sakura and ino) after them and they may on the way save chouji and neji...

[jetfire]

Yeah I have no doubt Shouji and Neji won't die. The only reasons I see them dying for is that Neji looks like that type to die honourably in a blaze of glory, and I havn't seen fat people (no offense to overweight people) play that big of a role in anime, so Chouji might die. Of course, the creator is probably aiming at changing that, seeing Chouji's backstory before he ended the fight.

But I agree with the others. The fifth hokage will probably send some jounins or the rest of the genins (Sakura, Ino, Hinata, and Temari. And I don't think Shino can count because he's away on a mission), to save Neji and Chouji, and possibly help out Naruto. Although I think noone should interfere with the Naruto/Sasuke fight. We've been waiting a while for this. It's their fight.

[Judeau]

I actually would like for neji to die. I think it fits his charecter and how they ended that fight seen scene and i dont think he would mind dying like that.

[Judeau]

eh chapter 220 - everyone loves sasuke lets find out about his past blah blah blah

[jetfire]

Actually, I didn't mind this chapter. It's a nice break from the constant fighting. Besides, I think it was interesting to see Itachi being good for once.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by jetfire
I think it was interesting to see Itachi being good for once.

Yeah I gotta agree with you there... it will be interesting to see why he turned out so evil...

then again I really was hoping they would get to the fight already... I mean they keep poking at it but they never dive right into the damn fight... I mean its like:

"Ok... youve seen all these fights between all the side characters... now its time for the main characters to fight! you ready? you ready!? Look! they are facing off... oo this is gonna be a good fight! oh man they look like they are gonna rip each others faces off... THERE THEY GO!!!!

but first... lets take a look at one of the characters history shall we?"

I mean it was like a HUGE buildup for a fight... and then they just throw in more backstory... I would like to know about sasuke's past... but not right in the middle of their big fight...

[Hideki]

here's my crackpot theory...

itachi didn't kill the uchiha clan cuz he felt like, perhaps the uchiha clan where up to something no good and he was ordered to kill em... but itachi after having done the dead, felt really guilty, and wants his younger brother to kill him.... i bet the sasuke / itachi thing ends with itachi saving sasuke and dieing in the end..

^_^; i don't like pops uchiha, he seems like a meanie who thinks too much bout standings, and i can see him being an over powered abusive police officer


btw... ~~; how does one spell dieing? or is that just not correct usage of the word?

[Minnie]

it's spelled "dying". ^^

i'm sure everyone has been talking non-stop about Itachi and his reason for killing the clan. in the past, i know that some of us just passed him off as a sociopath, but now there are doubts. new theories that Itachi killed to make his brother stronger and recognized as an individual have been popping up all at once.

haha, i read someone joke that the Hyuuga head and the Uchiha head swapping tips in a Mean Father's Club. Xd; i have to say that i agree. *gets shot*

[Hideki]

Originally posted by Scarlett Fire
it's spelled "dying". ^^

i'm sure everyone has been talking non-stop about Itachi and his reason for killing the clan. in the past, i know that some of us just passed him off as a sociopath, but now there are doubts. new theories that Itachi killed to make his brother stronger and recognized as an individual have been popping up all at once.

haha, i read someone joke that the Hyuuga head and the Uchiha head swapping tips in a Mean Father's Club. Xd; i have to say that i agree. *gets shot*

eh, so dying ones clothes and dying as in death dying is the same thing?

I extremely doubt Itachi would kill his family, based on the sole reason of making sasuke stronger... its just too much of a stress

[Minnie]

well, as for colouring one's clothes or hair, it's spelled "dyeing" (with dye). :3


i wouldn't exclude selfish reasons for the massacre either, but let me explain why i agree that Itachi would do that for his brother first.

Itachi seems to worry for his brother's well-being. Itachi looked melancholy when Sasuke tells him how he will catch up to his nii-san. he also seems to know more about the Uchiha legacy and what it means to be an Uchiha than what Sasuke sees and aspires to be. Itachi's position as the clan's prodigy will make it difficult for Sasuke to grow and be recognized being compared to his older brother. (that's how the theory goes i think)

as for selfish reasons, Itachi may have killed the clan for being so prestigious. o_O you can see how their father has had his life planned for him. simply put, i think he is shackled to his duties and as an Uchiha clan member, he must uphold them for honour. if this is so, hate would twist his perceptions and fuel his desire to just erradicate the source of his misery for both himself and Sasuke.

[Hideki]

here's another one of my crackpot theories

*involves kinda spoiler*

well since we aren't sure exactly what happens when orochimaru takes over another person's body, i only have what he said to go on... He mentioned to that person that his wishes and feelings would live on....

I wouldn't be suprised if somehow while orochimaru is taking over sasuke, sasuke's remnants learn that it was orochimaru behind the killings and itachi was just a puppet.

so using this new found info, he uses his will power and pushes out orochimaru on his own.. of course there is a huge fight b4 this all happens and stuff..


*end spoiler

[Minnie]

eh? XD i don't... really get that. how was orochimaru the one who killed the Uchiha clan? o_O he left the village before that ever happened. and Itachi seems capable enough to kill the clan on his own terms and be evil. n.n

[Judeau]

i hope itachi had no other reason than sheer power because that would make him abnormal in this series. Everyone does things for a reson in this serie, this goal that goal, what if Itachi just wanted power, though it's clicke in most situations even orochimaru doesn't want ultimate power but ultimate knowlege. So go Itachi

[Senshi]

I can't see how people can think of Itachi as not evil... Zabuza... there was a guy that might not have been evil... but Itachi is evil as hell...

Lets look what he did to earn the title 'evil' that we know about:

1. Killed his entire clan... even that nice elderly couple (cant remember if it was in the manga but it was in the anime)...

2. Kills his parents... now whether his father did something bad or something doesnt justify killing his mother too... and anyway I dont think being a bad father justifies his murder...

3. Essentially forces Sasuke into a lifetime of bitterness and hatred ruining any happiness he might have found...

4. Makes Sasuke relive how he killed their parents with the Sharingan power...

5. Makes Kakashi endure 3 days of sword poking with sharingan power...

anyways I think the reason he killed the clan is just like he stated: He wanted to test himself... why he is "nice" to Sasuke by sparing him and generally being nice in the past is peculiar but still no justification for what he has done... anyways, if you remember the things Itachi says after he kills everybody you can tell he pretty much has no remorse and didnt do it for any selfless reasons...

now as for the theory that it was Orochimaru: firstly what does Oro have to do with the Uchiha's... secondly Oro basically stated that Itachi is as strong if not stronger than he is so there is no way that Oro could possibly be able to influence Itachi in any way...

Sometimes I wonder if people "get" how evil killing your parents is and how seeing them killed in front of you when your a little kid is like REALLY traumatic...

People keep knocking Sasuke saying "get over it.. so what your brother killed your parents"... I mean just imagine your somebody killing your parents when you were just like 8 or whatever and basically ruining your life... I think I would do just like Sasuke: do everything in my power to get revenge even if it meant my inevitable death... (kinda went on a tangent there but ive been meaning to say it for a while)...

[Ninja Realist]

You know i really wish the relationships in Naruto were explored more like the one between:

Naruto and Hinata

or between

Sasuke and Sakura

[Senshi]

Naruto and Hinata I gotta agree with you... I mean there was a good bit of that during the chunin exam but since then its dropped off considerably...

Sasuke and Sakura however has been pretty well documented... Sakura is obsessed with Sasuke but Sasuke is obsessed with killing Itachi...

Dont get me wrong... I more than anyone want Sasuke and Sakura to get together... I'm just wondering if its gonna happen especially due to recent events in the manga...

My prediction (even tho I vehemently hope it doesnt happen): something happens to Sasuke... Sakura starts liking Naruto... Hinata starts being more open with Naruto... "Naruto" suddenly becomes a harem story...

God, I pray that im wrong...

[Judeau]

yea i'd agree that Itachi is pure evil thus killing his whole family to prove his power or test himself. I hope he doesn't have some corny reason for the killing and stays evil.

[Minnie]

Originally posted by Senshi
Naruto and Hinata I gotta agree with you... I mean there was a good bit of that during the chunin exam but since then its dropped off considerably...

Sasuke and Sakura however has been pretty well documented... Sakura is obsessed with Sasuke but Sasuke is obsessed with killing Itachi...

Dont get me wrong... I more than anyone want Sasuke and Sakura to get together... I'm just wondering if its gonna happen especially due to recent events in the manga...

My prediction (even tho I vehemently hope it doesnt happen): something happens to Sasuke... Sakura starts liking Naruto... Hinata starts being more open with Naruto... "Naruto" suddenly becomes a harem story...

God, I pray that im wrong...

ooh, god. i hope not. that would be most unappealing. not to mention lame. xD i do see NaruHina cuteness one day. and i do hope Sakura gets over that putz Sasuke one day, but worse come to worse, i see them getting together later. they are so much more cannon than your average crackpot fandom couple. =_= ugh.

but romantic relationships are not the focus on Naruto, so you'll be lucky if to probably see something like that. :\

[Hideki]

Originally posted by Senshi


1. Killed his entire clan... even that nice elderly couple (cant remember if it was in the manga but it was in the anime)...

2. Kills his parents... now whether his father did something bad or something doesnt justify killing his mother too... and anyway I dont think being a bad father justifies his murder...

3. Essentially forces Sasuke into a lifetime of bitterness and hatred ruining any happiness he might have found...

4. Makes Sasuke relive how he killed their parents with the Sharingan power...

5. Makes Kakashi endure 3 days of sword poking with sharingan power...

anyways I think the reason he killed the clan is just like he stated: He wanted to test himself... why he is "nice" to Sasuke by sparing him and generally being nice in the past is peculiar but still no justification for what he has done... anyways, if you remember the things Itachi says after he kills everybody you can tell he pretty much has no remorse and didnt do it for any selfless reasons...

now as for the theory that it was Orochimaru: firstly what does Oro have to do with the Uchiha's... secondly Oro basically stated that Itachi is as strong if not stronger than he is so there is no way that Oro could possibly be able to influence Itachi in any way...



we never actually saw the killings ... did we?
he's not truly evil, if he had wanted to, i bet he could've killed kakashi and sasuke.... or maybe he's a spy in the atmarsturi watever organization, and he beat up on sasuke and kakashi so it wouldn't blow his cover....

oro and itachi had to meet b4, and orochimaru is alot older than itachi, which means he was stronger than itachi at one point, even if he isn't now

[jetfire]

Originally posted by Hideki
we never actually saw the killings ... did we?
he's not truly evil, if he had wanted to, i bet he could've killed kakashi and sasuke.... or maybe he's a spy in the atmarsturi watever organization, and he beat up on sasuke and kakashi so it wouldn't blow his cover....

oro and itachi had to meet b4, and orochimaru is alot older than itachi, which means he was stronger than itachi at one point, even if he isn't now

Yes, we did see Itachi making the killings. At least in the vision he shows Sasuke with the Sharingan. We see Itachi killing all the villagers, as well as slicing his parents with a katana.

[Hideki]

Originally posted by jetfire
Yes, we did see Itachi making the killings. At least in the vision he shows Sasuke with the Sharingan. We see Itachi killing all the villagers, as well as slicing his parents with a katana.

exactly, in the visions, not the actual doings, or what happened before the killings...

We don't know for sure what exactly happened before, so though i can't say for sure that it wasn't because he just wanted to see what he was capable of , I can't say that was his main reason...

It wouldn't seem to go along with the rest of the series if that was his main reason, and if he truly is that shallow... So far it seems for every major character in this series, there has always been some deeper motivation, some deeper reasoning, to how they became the way they are.

[Judeau]

Originally posted by Hideki
So far it seems for every major character in this series, there has always been some deeper motivation, some deeper reasoning, to how they became the way they are.

yea but most "deeper Motivations" are in play and there is no "I want ultimate power even to the length that i'd kill my family". Orochimaru has some jutsu fetish so he doesn't fit that. Thats why I hope it is itachi with this goal and no crappy sentiment.

And I don't know why all these people wish he wasn't evil. A series has to have some evil people.

[jetfire]

Originally posted by Judeau
yea but most "deeper Motivations" are in play and there is no "I want ultimate power even to the length that i'd kill my family". Orochimaru has some jutsu fetish so he doesn't fit that. Thats why I hope it is itachi with this goal and no crappy sentiment.

And I don't know why all these people wish he wasn't evil. A series has to have some evil people.

In some ways I want him to be good and some ways I want him to be evil.

GOOD: Just because he looked like one of those older brothers you could really look up to if you were a child (when Itachi was good), and because he could really help out the good guys if he was good, seeing how powerful he is.

EVIL: It's just more in his character, and he's so capable of it. A person can be even more badass if they are evil, and let's face it. Itachi's a badass.

All in all, I want him to be evil more.

[Ninja Realist]

My only big complaint with this series is that no one gets killed. Gaara deserved to die. So did Kankuro. A lot of people shoulda died.

[jetfire]

Originally posted by realist
My only big complaint with this series is that no one gets killed. Gaara deserved to die. So did Kankuro. A lot of people shoulda died.

You're wrong on that one. Zazuba dies. Haku dies. The third hokage dies. That recent bone weilding enemy died, as did the rest of Oro's group. The Jounin with the toothpick in his mouth died. Yeah, I know, I don't know a lot of names.

[Minnie]

Genma did not die. o_o! (toothpick man) that was Hayate. u.u

Gaara wouldn't die until later i think. he's got the floaty sand that protects him. :x you still have to break through that and the demon inside him first before you can really kill him. Kankuro lived because the bugs Shino had willed to swarm on him probably stopped attacking when went down for the count.

[Ninja Realist]

I know, im just saying that Gaara deservred to die because he was so cruel and vicious and evil.

[jetfire]

Originally posted by Scarlett Fire
Genma did not die. o_o! (toothpick man) that was Hayate. u.u

Gaara wouldn't die until later i think. he's got the floaty sand that protects him. :x you still have to break through that and the demon inside him first before you can really kill him. Kankuro lived because the bugs Shino had willed to swarm on him probably stopped attacking when went down for the count.

So who was Hayate? The coughing guy? I thought he was the guy with the katana that went to attack Gaara's mentor (the guy with the cloth over half of his face), but got killed by this blade of the wind thing that Gaara's mentor used.

[Minnie]

Originally posted by realist
I know, im just saying that Gaara deservred to die because he was so cruel and vicious and evil.

:\ the boy's mentally unstable. he was under the pretense that his existence was to kill people. that was his logic and he was sick in the head. people like that can't help doing what they do, it's not really their fault since instead of teaching him right and wrong, his people shunned him. he was left with his own devices to determine his reason to live.


Yes, Hayate was the coughing man. poor Hayate, he was only 23.

[Ninja Realist]

Yeah but dude he like crushed a bunch of people to death in COLD BLOOD. Naruto shouldve killed him.

[Minnie]

his Desert Coffin i can't really vouch for, but i'll try to explain the best way i can. like i said, he developed a warped sense of logic that to defeat people, he is exercising his will to live. i also believe that Shukaku's influence from within that hungers for blood to be spilled drives him to kill people. he doesn't think the way you and i do, nor do i think he's in full control of his actions. killing to him seems more like a reflex than anything else. (he's like possessed or something) however, i agree that it's gruesome but is it unavoidable? probably not. he was provoked to fight them, if you can recall. since he was not stopped, it ended in death.

Naruto could not have killed him i think. he said it himself, he and Gaara are too alike, and Naruto had thought that without his friends and teachers to acknowledge him, he would have ended up like Gaara. in any case, since Gaara survived his battle with Naruto, he seemed to have reformed.

[Hideki]

Originally posted by Scarlett Fire
his Desert Coffin i can't really vouch for, but i'll try to explain the best way i can. like i said, he developed a warped sense of logic that to defeat people, he is exercising his will to live. i also believe that Shukaku's influence from within that hungers for blood to be spilled drives him to kill people. he doesn't think the way you and i do, nor do i think he's in full control of his actions. killing to him seems more like a reflex than anything else. (he's like possessed or something) however, i agree that it's gruesome but is it unavoidable? probably not. he was provoked to fight them, if you can recall. since he was not stopped, it ended in death.



hmm, then one can argue no one is truly evil and just that everybody has a warped sense of logic

[Ninja Realist]

Well now that I've seen the Manga

Where the sand nins and Gaara save shikamaaru's team from the sound team I have a new respect for him.


I think Gaara Isn't all that bad.

[Minnie]

Originally posted by Hideki
hmm, then one can argue no one is truly evil and just that everybody has a warped sense of logic

:3 the reason why i don't think Gaara is evil is because he goes out of his way to turn his life around when he realized that what he did was wrong. also, i said that those who did die because of him was first to provoke him. the boy was deluded and had no self-control, his reasons are almost childlike in simplicity. those who are closest to him were too afraid to tell him not to this or not to do that because they, along with the village, were afraid of his power and the other Him, whom his comrades attribute his psycho behaviour to.

anyway, if you compare him to Orochimaru, who was under the good guidance by his teacher (Sandaime), there shouldn't be any other reason to turn bad other than petty ambition.

[Judeau]

uh and also gaara was simply acting under orders... if recieving orders from a superior officer is evil then everyone's evil.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Scarlett Fire
:3 the reason why i don't think Gaara is evil is because he goes out of his way to turn his life around when he realized that what he did was wrong. also, i said that those who did die because of him was first to provoke him. the boy was deluded and had no self-control, his reasons are almost childlike in simplicity. those who are closest to him were too afraid to tell him not to this or not to do that because they, along with the village, were afraid of his power and the other Him, whom his comrades attribute his psycho behaviour to.

anyway, if you compare him to Orochimaru, who was under the good guidance by his teacher (Sandaime), there shouldn't be any other reason to turn bad other than petty ambition.

besides the points she mentioned you also gotta remember that Gaara is still a kid, and kids are easily influenced... he was just a victim of his environment... it was more his father that made Gaara go evil than anything: always sending assassins and crap after him... basically after his douchebag of a father got killed Gaara turned to the ole straight and narrow...

Orochimaru and Itachi were both adults when they turned evil... they made conscious decisions to commit evil... Gaara couldn't help how he was, and basically hated himself for it... that shows he definitely has a conscience...

[Minnie]

i wouldn't say Itachi was an adult, since he killed his clan when he was 13. n.n but he was a genius, so... yeah. he should have realized that killing people is BAD.

i had a ramble about Itachi and his evilness somewhere, but i forgot where it went. XD some elaboration on double motives and sociopaths.

oh! and him acting on orders, was it really necessary for him to kill them... that way? i think about how the sand is his weapon and for him to despose of any obstacles is to kill them. :\ it still looks like he had no control.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Scarlett Fire
i wouldn't say Itachi was an adult, since he killed his clan when he was 13.

ah I thought he was older... he looked older anyways... maybe thats just in comparison to a young Sasuke

[Judeau]

ah chapter 221 the big build up. Now we can all find out what truely drives Itachi mad.

Also I was thinking about stuff and saw this parrallel between Sasuke Naruto and Sakura with the three legendery nins. You've got Sasuke who is siding with the ways of Orochimaru, Sakura the lone woman who might seem unspecial but im sure something will happen down the line, and Naruto whose main prof is one of the three nins. I kinda see this parrallel maybe being drawn out even further.

Just a thought

[rvx3452000]

yo, i stopped reading around 217 cuz my comp caught a virus so i'm avoiding downloading anything unnessacery.

Can anyone tell me whats happening since Garaa used that Sand Avalanche jutsu on Kimaro and Kimaro survived it?

[Senshi]

Kimimaro dies, partly because of Gaara but mostly because he was sick... Naruto finally catches up to Sasuke who has an Orochimaru eye... lots of prefight converstion and a few blows exchanged... latest thing that happened is they are showing Itachi and Sasuke's past where Itachi seems like a nice guy so right now we are seeing why he turned evil...

[jetfire]

Originally posted by Judeau
ah chapter 221 the big build up. Now we can all find out what truely drives Itachi mad.

Also I was thinking about stuff and saw this parrallel between Sasuke Naruto and Sakura with the three legendery nins. You've got Sasuke who is siding with the ways of Orochimaru, Sakura the lone woman who might seem unspecial but im sure something will happen down the line, and Naruto whose main prof is one of the three nins. I kinda see this parrallel maybe being drawn out even further.

Just a thought

You just saw that parallel between them? I did as soon as the three legendary nins were introduced. I mean, all the nins look like older versions of the genins. Naruto = Jiraya (the hair, funny attitude and past with them both getting tied to the post during the genin test), Sasuke = Orochimaru (both have black hair, sasuke is turning evil and doesnt care about the others (just like Oro)), and Sakura = Tsunade (they both look alike, Sakura isnt really a fighter so Tsunade will probably help her be a medic ninja).

[Judeau]

222 raw out - just more backround and build up... But atlest itachi whips out the sheringan in this one.

[jetfire]

I just read the translated Naruto 222. Lots of more of Itachi's backstory is covered. For some reason, Itachi's transformation of his moods, seems kind of like how Sasuke's moods are changing right now. They end up changing their morals, and don't care about everyone else, because all they thrist for is power. Maybe Itachi had this in mind, to either use Sasuke, or to make him a worthy opponent.

And I also thought, is it both of their faults that they ended up like this? We obviously know, that Oro was mostly responsible for making Sasuke the way he is. Maybe someone was responsible for Itachi turning into the way he turned. I can't prove it's Oro, since I don't know how old he was at the time, where he was, and what he was doing. But this chapter has just opened up my mind a bit more. Maybe Itachi was manipulated into doing those things. When he talked to the investigation squad, he didn't really seem like himself at one point, and then it seemed like his mood turned all the way back around and he apologized. He could have been making an excuse to not get arrested, but still, it left me wondering.

[Senshi]

I think Chpt 222 clears up any "Itachi isnt evil rumors"....

[Judeau]

Originally posted by jetfire
I just read the translated Naruto 222. Lots of more of Itachi's backstory is covered. For some reason, Itachi's transformation of his moods, seems kind of like how Sasuke's moods are changing right now. They end up changing their morals, and don't care about everyone else, because all they thrist for is power. Maybe Itachi had this in mind, to either use Sasuke, or to make him a worthy opponent.

And I also thought, is it both of their faults that they ended up like this? We obviously know, that Oro was mostly responsible for making Sasuke the way he is. Maybe someone was responsible for Itachi turning into the way he turned. I can't prove it's Oro, since I don't know how old he was at the time, where he was, and what he was doing. But this chapter has just opened up my mind a bit more. Maybe Itachi was manipulated into doing those things. When he talked to the investigation squad, he didn't really seem like himself at one point, and then it seemed like his mood turned all the way back around and he apologized. He could have been making an excuse to not get arrested, but still, it left me wondering.


see i dont think that oro made sasuke the way he is. Revenge made him that way. Kakashi specifically says that his seal is driven on will. Well orochimaru didn't change sasuke's will it was his will that releases the curse.

[jetfire]

Originally posted by Judeau
see i dont think that oro made sasuke the way he is. Revenge made him that way. Kakashi specifically says that his seal is driven on will. Well orochimaru didn't change sasuke's will it was his will that releases the curse.

Yeah I know Sasuke's thirst for revenge also makes him the way he is, but before Oro put the curse on Sasuke, I noticed he was doing A LOT better, in not being such a jerk. After the seal was put on him, he really started to act like a punk. Yes, Itachi also helped by putting the thoughts of revenge back into Sasuke's head. I dunno, I just think Sasuke's values and attitude were seriously affected and manipulated by others (Itachi, Oro, etc..), so I thought, since we don't know much about Itachi, there may be a chance that the same sort of thing happened to him in the past.

[Judeau]

Originally posted by jetfire
Yeah I know Sasuke's thirst for revenge also makes him the way he is, but before Oro put the curse on Sasuke, I noticed he was doing A LOT better, in not being such a jerk. After the seal was put on him, he really started to act like a punk. Yes, Itachi also helped by putting the thoughts of revenge back into Sasuke's head. I dunno, I just think Sasuke's values and attitude were seriously affected and manipulated by others (Itachi, Oro, etc..), so I thought, since we don't know much about Itachi, there may be a chance that the same sort of thing happened to him in the past.

Got ya

[Senshi]

I don't think it was the seal or Oro that made Sasuke go evil and be a punk... If you ask me it was a combination of things:

1) his life has always been devoted to getting powerful enough to defeat Itachi, so thats basically his underlying desire throughout

2) feeling he isnt strong enough... hes basically always been the strongest guy for his age, and when Naruto gets to his level and surpasses it, Sasuke just gets flustered... he can't understand why he isnt making as much progress as naruto... and when the Sound nins defeat him with the seal, it basically shows him how weak he really is and that the seal could change that...

3) Itachi - seeing Itachi was the straw that broke the camels back... if you look at Sasuke right before he sees Itachi again Sasuke is still a pretty nice guy: I mean when he tries to save Sakura from Gaara, and he tries to save Naruto when he hears Itachi is after him... however, after seeing Itachi again and moreover after getting his ass straight whupped by itachi, Sasuke decides that he HAS to resort to drastic measures... It was only really after he is beaten up by Itachi that he considers going to Oro, because as he says: "What have I been doing all this time..."

So I really think Oro has no part in Sasuke's final decision to be evil... Granted Oro knew enough about Sasuke and how to manipulate him into the trap, but when you think about it all Oro does is just give him an opportunity that Sasuke decides to take...

As for Itachi's motives: its just like he said in 221... he has become arrogant... he feels that all the village and the clan are doing is holding him back from being the most powerful... Thats why he starts killing guys... to prove how powerful he is... you know power corrupts and all that...

[Abyss Darkness]

A big part of Sasuke's current attitude probably comes from the fact that when Itachi returned, he was focussed on finding Naruto, and basically outright ignored Sasuke (in between beating the crap out of him of course).
Just as Sasuke is trying to cope with the idea that Naruto is surpassing him, his brother (the source of all his hatred and bitterness) returns and is more concerned with Naruto than he is with Sasuke (thus making Sasuke feel very small and unimportant and Naruto shine even more). Also worth mentioning was the blow to Sasuke's pride when Naruto tries to help him in the fight with Itachi (kinda like the strong trying helping the weak), would've made Sasuke very bitter.

Well, I think all that played a large part.

It really can't be any surprise to anyone that Sasuke went down this path, I mean the manga had set the thing up from the begining. Sasuke will probably end up as the bad guy after Orochimaru is out of the way and will suddenly be told by Naruto or someone (in the middle of a big fight of course) "Hey, Sasuke, in order to kill Itachi, you've followed the same path he has. Why, that makes you no better than him!!!" then Sasuke's eyes will go wide with shock suddenly and he'll have an internal monologue where he'll go "My god, he's right, I'm so sorry everyone!" then he will be reformed and either die to save everyone or become a good guy again :rolleyes:.

Or something equally cliched...
He'll be rescued from the "path of darkness" eventually though, don't worry.

Anyway, I've caught up with all the manga today. Hopefully it will start to pick up again now that we might finally find out why Itachi suddenly turned on everyone, and then finally have the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight. I'm guesssing that Sasuke will win the fight by using the curse seal and all the other characters involved in the recent battles (Neji, Gaara, Lee etc) will rush in to find Naruto all beaten up on the floor. Then Sasuke can go away to Orochimaru and become evil for a while.

Or maybe I'm way off...

[jetfire]

Originally posted by Abyss Darkness
Sasuke will probably end up as the bad guy after Orochimaru is out of the way and will suddenly be told by Naruto or someone (in the middle of a big fight of course) "Hey, Sasuke, in order to kill Itachi, you've followed the same path he has. Why, that makes you no better than him!!!" then Sasuke's eyes will go wide with shock suddenly and he'll have an internal monologue where he'll go "My god, he's right, I'm so sorry everyone!" then he will be reformed and either die to save everyone or become a good guy again :rolleyes:.



You know, the sad thing is, is that you're most likely so right. *goes off and cries in a corner, realizing Naruto's story will be horribly butchered*

And imagine of 4Kids got it. They'd butcher it even more!

*cries some more*

[Ninja Realist]

Originally posted by jetfire
You know, the sad thing is, is that you're most likely so right. *goes off and cries in a corner, realizing Naruto's story will be horribly butchered*

And imagine of 4Kids got it. They'd butcher it even more!

*cries some more*

Well I think from the beggining Naruto's story was pretty average. The reason I(and probably many other people) like Naruto is because of the fight scenes. The best fight scenes in any anime ever.

[Hideki]

Originally posted by Senshi
I think Chpt 222 clears up any "Itachi isnt evil rumors"....

it doesn't, we still don't know what exactly happend. You shouldn't assume or judge by appearances. ;)

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Hideki
it doesn't, we still don't know what exactly happend. You shouldn't assume or judge by appearances. ;)

I dont know why you can still believe Itachi isnt evil... hes said it himself in 221: being strong has made him arrogant... In 222 it was pretty much implied that Itachi killed Shisui and made it look like a suicide... then he beats up the cops just because they didnt think he was strong...

in 222 it describes all the reasons that lead up to him killing off his clan: Hes arrogant and think the clan is holding him back... he wants to prove to everybody that he is the most powerful... I'm not saying that he doesnt have a reason for doing what he did... Im just saying that his reasons are no justification for killing off his entire clan (including his parents)...

whats it gonna take to prove to you that the bastard is evil... is he gonna have to kill and eat a baby? Even then you are probably gonna be like: "well im sure he had a good reason to kill and eat that baby... I bet Orochimaru made him do it!"

[Hideki]

no what i'm saying is, we still haven't seen the whole story.....

but b4 we continue this debate, do u believe, or did u believe gaara is evil?

[Ninja Realist]

Gaara is not evil, he just had a warped sense of reality. oh yah he was possesed by a demon too.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Hideki
but b4 we continue this debate, do u believe, or did u believe gaara is evil?

I think he wasn't "born" evil or "became" evil... I think he was conditioned to be evil... does that mean hes inherently evil - no... Does that mean he was evil at one point - i think yes... Naruto I guess you could say "beat the evil outta him"... I think evil is determined by actions not necessarily nature...

but Itachi and Gaara are totally different... Itachi became evil... it was his decision to commit the evil acts... he wasn't like Gaara whose douchebag father basically trained him to be evil... Gaara was forced into the evil lifestyle... Itachi went against his upbringing to become evil... Gaara has a conscience... Itachi shows little sign of feeling bad for the things he does (save the one time he stood behind Sasuke but who knows what his real motives were there)...

[Natsuke Takeda]

My, what an odd chapter that last one was, but honestly, it still doesn't do us any good to read the flashbacks, as it just makes it more clear that Itachi is evil. But it raises some questions of whether or not he is evil for a hidden agenda that we are yet to really know about...



If I had read correctly in one of the last chapters, he wanted to help sasuke to overcome his barriers and be stronger "even if it means hating each other".... Could it be that Itachi is using Naruto to trigger Sasuke's hidden abilities and strength? Itachi said it best: "That's what being an big brother means..."

[Judeau]

That's pretty hard to believe as Itachi's main purpose is to make himself stronger and stronger. Their probably trying to control the demon fox in naruto and make him a tool.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Judeau
That's pretty hard to believe as Itachi's main purpose is to make himself stronger and stronger. Their probably trying to control the demon fox in naruto and make him a tool.

well its not Itachi's goal to capture Naruto... its the organization he works for... Itachi wouldnt care less about Naruto otherwise...

and about Itachi's main purpose he says indirectly a couple of times that he wants to go to "the top"

[Hideki]

so many of your claims, senshi, seems rather based on assumptions... i guess we'll just have to wait and see.....

how would u explain sasuke being left alive?

[Natsuke Takeda]

"Curse me... Hate me.... Do whatever it takes..."

If we look back at the anime, so far Itachi has only attempted to destroy Sasuke's spirit, but not enough to kill him. And if my theory proves right, that would explain why Itachi did not really get in the way of Orochimaru's plan for Sasuke to defect to his side

In other words, Itachi's agenda still has not resurfaced as of yet, but if I'm right, maybe Itachi's not so bad after all. He's still playing the role of "Big Brother" after all...

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Hideki
so many of your claims, senshi, seems rather based on assumptions...

so are your claims... we all have to wait and see... its not like there is direct evidence from the text proving that Itachi ISNT evil...

I did however, provide evidence for my claims from the text...

all I'm saying is that the guy is evil... what his reasons and motives are for what he does are unknown at this point in the game... things aren't always black and white, but from my perspective what Itachi has done qualifies him as an evil bastard... If you can provide me with direct proof that he didn't kill the clan or didn't kill it for purely selfish reasons then I may take back my claim...

As for the whole "Sasuke being left alive" question: Its unknown... I haven't seen enough of the manga to base an opinion on that but if I had to choose a reason it would probably be that he wanted to torture Sasuke, or not kill Sasuke because Sasuke is so much weaker than him and not "worth his time" (which would fit into his whole arrogance M.O.)...

as for the whole "being a big brother" point... I don't know how killing your parents and throwing your sibling into a bottomless pit of hatred and despair counts as being a good big brother, but I guess in Itachi's f*ed up world perspective he is being a good brother (which may be why he kept him alive)... I'm sure in Itachi's point-of-view everything he has done has been justified... plus Natsuke its unknown whether Itachi even knows about Orochimaru's plan (or even cares for that matter)...

[Djudge86]

Hmm, as for Itachi leaving Sasuke alive after slaughtering the entire Uchiha clan...

I really don't have a good idea as to why he'd leave Sasuke alive after getting the jump on virtually the entire Konoha police force. Although I've heard a theory that he probably, we're talking on a subliminal level here, wants to be punished for what he did. A bit remorseful in the atrocities he committed, Itachi deep down still has a little bit of good in him and basically wants the person that he was closest to? to eventually put an end to his evil deeds. Deep and psychological no? But it's something that I've always bought, hook, line, and sinker.

[Judeau]

well uh let's fight some more over a topic that will be most likely cleared up at the end of this flashback sequence...
223 bit of a bore but with dad seemingly giving up on itachi hopefully the clan killing will begin and the flashback will end.

[jetfire]

I did like how in chapter 223, it showed how Sasuke learned that fireball breathing technique. At the very start of Naruto, the first time he used it, I thought it was pretty ridiculous and overpowered for a Genin on his training test. But now it makes a lot more sense.

[Ski]

I am getting sick of the flashbacks. I'm ready for some real action again.

[Judeau]

well 224 i would guess is the end of the flashbacks. It takes the story up to what we already know with some of the same pictures that have already been shown like itachi over his parents bodies and stuff. I think this flashback was in the viewpoint of sasuke so once itachi leaves i hope the flashback is over.

[jetfire]

I just read the translated version of Naruto 224! Apparantly, my thoughts were right. Ever since I saw Sasuke's flashback of Itachi killing his parents, I first figured, Itachi probably let Sasuke live, so he can be a worthy opponent later on. And surely, that's how it turned out. I thought the chapter was ok, but still, there was a lot of stuff I already knew. I cant wait for the next chapter though. It's about time the action got back on track.

[Senshi]

Yeah man I liked that twist at the end there... Gonna be a little higher tension in the ole Naruto/Sasuke battle because if Sasuke kills Naruto he gets Mange Sharingan!

And when you think about it: hes known about this the entire time which is probably why hes been distant with people... he knows he will probably need Mange Sharingan to beat Itachi, so if he becomes friends with somebody he will have to kill them... He has probably been searching for other ways to beat Itachi without having to resort to that (hence him going to Orochimaru)... I believe he wanted to leave konoha behind him completely so that he wouldnt have to hurt anyone there...

of course now since he is under the Oro seal's influence who knows what he might try and do...

Also, I think 224 proves what I've been saying all along... Itachi is an evil bastard... why was he nice to Sasuke? to observe his abilities... Did he kill Shisui? Yes, in order to get mange sharingan... Why did he let Sasuke live? so he can be a worthy opponent...

No weird Orochimaru conspiracies... no "maybe he had a good reason"... no "deep down he really cares"... No "Itachi's father was mean to him so thats why he did it"...

Itachi is just one evil, arrogant a-hole... possibly the most purely evil character in the series (or at least tied with Orochimaru for the title)...

[jetfire]

Originally posted by Senshi
Yeah man I liked that twist at the end there... Gonna be a little higher tension in the ole Naruto/Sasuke battle because if Sasuke kills Naruto he gets Mange Sharingan!

And when you think about it: hes known about this the entire time which is probably why hes been distant with people... he knows he will probably need Mange Sharingan to beat Itachi, so if he becomes friends with somebody he will have to kill them... He has probably been searching for other ways to beat Itachi without having to resort to that (hence him going to Orochimaru)... I believe he wanted to leave konoha behind him completely so that he wouldnt have to hurt anyone there...

of course now since he is under the Oro seal's influence who knows what he might try and do...

Also, I think 224 proves what I've been saying all along... Itachi is an evil bastard... why was he nice to Sasuke? to observe his abilities... Did he kill Shisui? Yes, in order to get mange sharingan... Why did he let Sasuke live? so he can be a worthy opponent...

No weird Orochimaru conspiracies... no "maybe he had a good reason"... no "deep down he really cares"... No "Itachi's father was mean to him so thats why he did it"...

Itachi is just one evil, arrogant a-hole... possibly the most purely evil character in the series (or at least tied with Orochimaru for the title)...

But we all know what Sasuke isnt going to kill Naruto. Why? Because it's the name of the show/manga! You can't kill off the main character, especially when the series is named after him. Well, usually if a main character dies, they die at the end.

Also, even though Itachi wants Sasuke to be a worthy opponent, that doesn't necessarily make him trult evil. Anyone can want anyone to be a worthy opponent. It doesnt make them evil. As yes, I'm aware that Itachi is most likely evil. There's probably a 99% chance of that, and I don't want to start anymore arguments after this. All I'm getting at, is that he might have no personal grudges against Sasuke, and maybe there was some small chance that the makers of the series were trying to hold the full truth from us. I find a lot of makers of series doing that a lot. They make you think one thing, then BAM! They make a huge plot twist.

[Demonshadow9]

As long as they get the this arc over with in the next few chapters , I will be happy.Yes I know it vital for the story , but the way every fight is interupted by a flashback or some old character coming out of nowhere is getting annoying.

[Senshi]

I have a question: is there gonna be a chpt next week cause at the end of 224 it had "There will be a stop in publishing due to the author collecting data." Did it have this statement before during the last 2 week hiatus?

but yeah Sasuke could never kill Naruto... its either gonna be "Mwahaha I have you no time to die!!... nooo i cant do it!" or Naruto beats him again and sasuke runs away...

and also, true... wanting Sasuke to be a worthy opponent doesnt make him evil, but the dozens of other evil things Itachi has done does... I was just saying that the main argument from the pro-Itachi-isnt-evil group was that he kept Sasuke alive, but as 224 proved he didn't have a good motive behind it...

but yeah I could see a plot twist for Itachi... I mean look at Zabuza...

granted I think it will be pretty lame if EVERY villian in the series had some sorta of Zabuza like change of heart at the end (i mean even Gaara did... if Oro pulls that shit im gonna be super pissed)...

[ltj2002]

Naruto is gonna make Sasuke cry more than when he found mommy and daddy lying below Itachi. :P No way in hell Sasuke could kill Naruto....... Kyuubi wouldnt allow it. '-'v

And my guess is he wont have anything for the next few weeks as far as the manga goes.

[jetfire]

Now Oro, I really cannot imagine turning good. THey've shown absolutely no good in him so far. If he does turn good, I may just have to stop reading.

[Judeau]

If Orochimaru turns good, which would be retarded, i think that would end it for me. Or when Naruto hits the US and every kid and their Jesus dresses like Naruto for Halloween, that would do it as well. But if i had to wieght the two Oro turning good would do it much faster than choice 2.

[aburame shino]

ive read 161 chapters!! its great i llove it!!!

[Judeau]

finally thank god the flashback is over. Thought it would never end but it has come - 225 is here and death to the 9 chapter flashback. All is right with the world.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Judeau
finally thank god the flashback is over. Thought it would never end but it has come - 225 is here and death to the 9 chapter flashback. All is right with the world.

yup! cue the fight music!

but it wouldnt suprise me if they threw another filler chapter in the middle of there just to piss us off :(

but hmm I think the question of the day is what did Sasuke see when he looked at that stone in the secret meeting area of the Uchiha clan? any speculations?

my guess: Uchiha is an ancient torture clan who used mange sharingan to torture people and pump them for information or something

[Judeau]

but i think itachi said if sasuke can obtain the mange sharingan then he'd be the third person ever to? Maybe i'm wrong.

[Demonshadow9]

The flashback is over but there is still probably 2 or 3 chapters left before the fight.1 will be when they find choui dead and neji dying(if they get rid of him im going to be super pissed, not only did he master his eye(dont know the spelling) but the guys awsome.Not to mention that Hinata is worthless in a fight.) 1 of kabuto and ochimaru talking and planning whatever theyre going to do next.And finnally 1 of sasuke and naruto talking before the fight.

random thoughts about random character

neji=awsome
rock-lee=awsome
shikumaru=cool
kiba=ok
sasuke=annoying
sakura=worthless
hinata=see above

and last but not least "I like pie"(Im fealing random today)

[Maveric]

Hinata isn't worthless in a fight. She's trained in the same arts as Neji (the byakugan), just that she's not as good. Besides, she's more of a love interest for Naruto than a fight character. Sakura has kinda the same roll in the story, except more as a friend.

[Judeau]

eh i really hope they don't add chapters inbetween the fight. It would just de an uneeded delay.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Judeau
but i think itachi said if sasuke can obtain the mange sharingan then he'd be the third person ever to? Maybe i'm wrong.

yeah thats a really good question: who is the third person to be able to use mange sharingan!

the impression I got from my translation of 225 (Inane) is that there are currently 3 people alive who can call forth mange sharingan...

I will be pissed if it ends up being Naruto (I mean that guy is overpowered enough - now he can summon sharingan... I would stop reading right there)... but it could explain why that group is after him...

but it could also be Kakashi since he, Sasuke, and Itachi are the only ones with sharingan (even tho Kakashi's sharingan is kinda a gimp version of it)

[Judeau]

yea i read inane as well and i kinda felt it meant 3 people ever but if it is three people alive, I would guess it was Kakashi but that might be too obvious. Guess we'll see.

[jetfire]

Heh it'd be neat if Kakashi's best friend died, because Kakashi killed him, which let him recieve the mange sharingan. However, it's unlikely, since Kakashi could have used it against Itachi when he fought him. And Itachi's mange sharingan manuever wouldnt have hurt him, if Kakashi had the same sharingan.

You know what would really suck? If Naruto now has a long flashback, after Sasuke's long flashback...

[Maveric]

I thought the whole thing with Kakashi was that he killed a guy who used the Sharingan and took one of his eyes, hence the scar over that eye and the fact that it is always in "sharingan mode"

[Judeau]

Kakashi's sharingan is still unaccounted for. Unless I just missed something.

[flict0nic]

yeah it's still unaccounted for

my guess is that they took it from either itachi's best friend who he killed or sasuke's and itchi's father and just gave it to kakashi because he was a skilled ninja and the leaf village wanted someone to have that power and later teach sasuke, but that's just a guess on my part which is probably wrong because that would mean that he's only had the eye for about 5 years

[Judeau]

My guess is that it's from his friend that got killed and he talks about. But Kakashi is one of the charecters in the main story of the upcoming naruto movie so maybe someithng will come from that.

[Maveric]

Doubt anything will come of his story in the movie. None of the Inu Yasha movies have anything to do with the central plot of either the manga or the anime. I'll bet the Naruto movie will be the same.

As for Kakashi's eye, maybe the guy Itachi killed was Kakashi's friend, and is where he got the sharingan eye from.

[Senshi]

I think Kakashi's friend that is mentioned was "Hayate"... You see his grave during the chapter with the funeral of the forth hokage, when Kakashi is talking to some woman who is in anbu and who apparently has some history with Kakashi....

anyways that whole exchange between those two was very confusing and hasnt really ever been explained...

I really wish Kishimoto would develop Kakashi more as he is one of the more mysterious and interesting characters in Naruto...

[Djudge86]

Hayate is the name of the Jounin (carried a ninja-to and was apparently a master swordsman) who tried to deliver intelligence back to the Konoha authorities when he heard the Sand Jounin and Kabuto talking about the secret alliance between the Sound and Sand during the Chuunin Exam. Of course, he was hunted down by the Sand Jounin, but since he was in a sickly state, was quickly killed. Thus, the Leafs didn't know about the conspiracy until Orochimaru let loose at the final stage of the exam.

[Maveric]

Oh, the guy who was the ref at the trials.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Djudge86
Hayate is the name of the Jounin (carried a ninja-to and was apparently a master swordsman) who tried to deliver intelligence back to the Konoha authorities when he heard the Sand Jounin and Kabuto talking about the secret alliance between the Sound and Sand during the Chuunin Exam. Of course, he was hunted down by the Sand Jounin, but since he was in a sickly state, was quickly killed. Thus, the Leafs didn't know about the conspiracy until Orochimaru let loose at the final stage of the exam.

ah damn... I got really confused about that guy apparently... then who was that woman that was mourning his death or whatever that apparently had some kinda history with Kakashi...

[Hideki]

i highly doubt its kakashi, maybe this anonymous person, that kakashi got his eye from

[Djudge86]

That woman (I forgot her name, but long dark hair right?) is a member of the ANBU in Konoha and likewise a Jounin like Kakashi and Hayate. If I remember correctly she addresses Kakashi as senpai which would insinuate that she was Kakashi's subordinate/understudy when he was in the ANBU himself. Hayate was apparently a close friend of hers as well as of Kakashi's.

Even if she didn't address Kakashi as senpai, they seem to be familiar with each other and that would hint at them having been friends over some time.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Djudge86
That woman (I forgot her name, but long dark hair right?) is a member of the ANBU in Konoha and likewise a Jounin like Kakashi and Hayate. If I remember correctly she addresses Kakashi as senpai which would insinuate that she was Kakashi's subordinate/understudy when he was in the ANBU himself. Hayate was apparently a close friend of hers as well as of Kakashi's.

Even if she didn't address Kakashi as senpai, they seem to be familiar with each other and that would hint at them having been friends over some time.

yeah thats the one i was talking about...

yeah I guess she just wasnt that important of a character... she was just kinda thrown in there and forgotten about seems like which is kinda odd cause there is usually a reason to the majority of things that happen within the manga...

[Djudge86]

Well, forgotten plot devices happen a lot in manga, and well many kinds of stories in general. For some other examples in similar shounen titles, look at Grand Fisher in Bleach or Shanks in One Piece.

[Senshi]

226 is out... alot of fighting which people wanted...

that whole scene where they are fighting over the water as the shuriken sunk down was pretty cool and creative...

but the question of the day is this: Who will win! Rasengan or Chidori!

my vote... they both fly backwards...

[Judeau]

I enjoyed chapter 226 very much except the little thing at the end where there will be no chapter next week. The fighting was enjoyable but that was not.

[Ninja Realist]

I was getting tired of all those flashblacks.

[Judeau]

Originally posted by realist
I was getting tired of all those flashblacks.

ya think?

[Illjwamh]

I love flashbacks, but that had to be the most horribly timed one ever.

It kinda makes sense, though. This way Volume 26 starts of fresh with the big fight.

[Djudge86]

Originally posted by Senshi
226 is out... alot of fighting which people wanted...

that whole scene where they are fighting over the water as the shuriken sunk down was pretty cool and creative...

but the question of the day is this: Who will win! Rasengan or Chidori!

my vote... they both fly backwards...
Just some two cents on that fight:

There was an interesting sequence put in by Kishimoto during the chapter in which Sasuke managed to snag a kunai out of Naruto's gear and lobbed it at his opponent. The projectile was taken down by a shuriken that Naruto lobbed back. In other fights, that action probably would've been nothing more than an afterthought in the next couple of panels, but Kishimoto keeps the image in the reader's minds. Over time the kunai is shown sinking deeper into the water. Probably a foreshadowing of Sasuke's fall from his delusions of grandeur? I'd like to wager on that.

[TasukiGODofFIRE]

I think sasukes gonna win with his lvl 2 curse seal and then we get a time shift.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Djudge86
Just some two cents on that fight:

There was an interesting sequence put in by Kishimoto during the chapter in which Sasuke managed to snag a kunai out of Naruto's gear and lobbed it at his opponent. The projectile was taken down by a shuriken that Naruto lobbed back. In other fights, that action probably would've been nothing more than an afterthought in the next couple of panels, but Kishimoto keeps the image in the reader's minds. Over time the kunai is shown sinking deeper into the water. Probably a foreshadowing of Sasuke's fall from his delusions of grandeur? I'd like to wager on that.

I think your officially thinking way too deep into Naruto :)

if you ask me, he just did it cause it looked cool...

[Djudge86]

Haha, sorry man, reading Kubo-sensei's work really puts Kishimoto's to shame in terms of storytelling. I guess expecting something out of Naruto that other titles are so good at is asking a bit too much.

In any case, the best reason why Naruto will definitely survive?
He's the frickin' title character in a shounen title.

[Demonshadow9]

Well as long as he doesnt do son goku-no jitsu and revive himself if he does die its all good.Lol

[jetfire]

Man, I see these clashes were 2 characters punch, slash, shoot each other at the same time (and make big explosions) all the time. In s.CRY.ed, DBZ, Trigun, Outlaw Star, etc...I'm getting tired of seeing these types of clashes. I'd rather see well choreographed fighting, like in the Rock Lee vs. Gaara fight. And also, Naruto will survive, because he's the main character! That doesnt mean he has to win this clash, but that's not to say Chidori won't kill him.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by jetfire
Man, I see these clashes were 2 characters punch, slash, shoot each other at the same time (and make big explosions) all the time. In s.CRY.ed, DBZ, Trigun, Outlaw Star, etc...I'm getting tired of seeing these types of clashes. I'd rather see well choreographed fighting, like in the Rock Lee vs. Gaara fight. And also, Naruto will survive, because he's the main character! That doesnt mean he has to win this clash, but that's not to say Chidori won't kill him.

heh word on the Rock Lee/Gaara fight...

yeah I really hope that Naruto isnt going to go the DB->DBZ route (Naruto Z if you will) where quality fight coreography falls to boring powerstruggles combined with shouting whilst auras charge...

[genki sakura]

Originally posted by Senshi
yeah I really hope that Naruto isnt going to go the DB->DBZ route (Naruto Z if you will) where quality fight coreography falls to boring powerstruggles combined with shouting whilst auras charge...
I agree with that, but you know, I'd love to hear Sasuke or Orochimaru yell "Kamehameha!"

[jetfire]

Originally posted by Senshi
heh word on the Rock Lee/Gaara fight...

yeah I really hope that Naruto isnt going to go the DB->DBZ route (Naruto Z if you will) where quality fight coreography falls to boring powerstruggles combined with shouting whilst auras charge...

Oh, I wasn't thinking about that part when I mentioned it. remember the start of the fight when it had silky smooth animation? When Lee was at his normal speed? And even a bit when he took the weights off himself. But not after he "powered up". The whole part before that blew my mind. Or if I really want to talk about choreography, then maybe have fights as smooth and stylish as Cowboy Bebop: The Movie.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by jetfire
Oh, I wasn't thinking about that part when I mentioned it. remember the start of the fight when it had silky smooth animation? When Lee was at his normal speed? And even a bit when he took the weights off himself. But not after he "powered up". The whole part before that blew my mind. Or if I really want to talk about choreography, then maybe have fights as smooth and stylish as Cowboy Bebop: The Movie.

well actually I didnt mean the Gaara/Rock Lee fight when I was talkin about Naruto Z... I was just agreeing that the fight was cool... cause I mean even after he did the whole powering up thing, the fight was still good...

What I really mean is I hope it doesnt turn into those fights in DBZ you know where they both fire projectiles at each other and try to surpass the other while screaming a lot...

cause even after he unlocked the gates there was still good action like when he did primary lotus... that was cool as hell... that fight was never boring unlike alot of DBZ battles...

[Hideki]

can't wait to get a better look of sasuke when he goes cursed seal lvl 2....

[Judeau]

well 227 raw is out. Kinda ends the same way that 226 did. But this is where we get to see if Naruto will = dragon ball z as Cursed seal 2 vs Demon Chakra is about to happen. Hopefully Naruto Z won't happen.

[jetfire]

I just read the chapter. I really liked it, but I hate it when Naruto keeps getting the crap kicked out of him by his opponents and doesnt think of any clever way to fight back. Also, I would really enjoy it, if with the last scene (which you see Naruto's hand kinda glowing), if Naruto grabbed Sasuke's wrist and guided his own Chidori into his face (by his face, I mean Sasuke's face). Of course, there would be no more Sasuke, but ah well, whatcha gonna do?

[genki sakura]

Originally posted by jetfire
Also, I would really enjoy it, if with the last scene (which you see Naruto's hand kinda glowing), if Naruto grabbed Sasuke's wrist and guided his own Chidori into his face (by his face, I mean Sasuke's face). Of course, there would be no more Sasuke, but ah well, whatcha gonna do?
yes, that would've been a real kick-ass scene if that would've happened. But like you said, "whatcha gonna do?" So do you think Naruto's dead or just really badly injured?

[Judeau]

i think He's going to end up fine. The end of the chapter eludes to Naruto tapping into the demon fox's chakra so he'll probably get a face load of chidori and somehow overcome it with fox chakra. Hopefully that doesn't happen cause that is major league DBZ like.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Judeau
i think He's going to end up fine. The end of the chapter eludes to Naruto tapping into the demon fox's chakra so he'll probably get a face load of chidori and somehow overcome it with fox chakra. Hopefully that doesn't happen cause that is major league DBZ like.

yeah im guessing something like that happened... It would piss me off if something like that happened... but then again everytime I think Naruto is turning into DBZ it ends up surprising me with something original so you never know...

it could be that sasuke hits him and then he heals it right back...

everybody wants sasuke to die apparently... How come everybody says "everybody likes Sasuke" when the popular character is obviously Naruto on account everybody wants Sasuke to die...

I personally like Sasuke...

[genki sakura]

Originally posted by Senshi
yeah im guessing something like that happened... It would piss me off if something like that happened... but then again everytime I think Naruto is turning into DBZ it ends up surprising me with something original so you never know...

true. but I think it may just end up like that, DBZ-ish. pessimistic I know, but what else will Kishimoto do? have Naruto injured to an inch of his life, have Sasuke leave him for dead and then have him try to assume the Mange Sharingan? Then find out that he really didn't kill Naruto and then we'll be back where we started, Naruto vs. Sasuke?

Originally posted by Senshi
everybody wants sasuke to die apparently... How come everybody says "everybody likes Sasuke" when the popular character is obviously Naruto on account everybody wants Sasuke to die...

I personally like Sasuke...
But I don't want Sasuke to die...



Personally, I think someone's gonna jump into the fight.

[Judeau]

I would like sasuke to hit naruto as sasuke and his brother are in my opinion the best two charecters. But the above was just my prediction not opinion.

[jetfire]

Originally posted by genki sakura
true. but I think it may just end up like that, DBZ-ish. pessimistic I know, but what else will Kishimoto do? have Naruto injured to an inch of his life, have Sasuke leave him for dead and then have him try to assume the Mange Sharingan? Then find out that he really didn't kill Naruto and then we'll be back where we started, Naruto vs. Sasuke?


But I don't want Sasuke to die...



Personally, I think someone's gonna jump into the fight.

Hehe and if they ended up back to where they started, it would still be DBZ-ish, since the story can never end in just one fight.

Also, I don't like Sasuke, just because he feels like your average, cool, collected, badass character. Except that he doesnt really display his badassness, because he gets beaten alot. And I just find his obsession with revenge annoying. I've seen a lot of characters that take revenge. I mean, look at The Punisher. But Sasuke is just overly obsessed with it, where he doesnt have the ability to distinguish what the hell he's doing. I mean, it would be so obvious to anyone else that he's walking into a deathtrap. And yeah, I know his past made him like that, but that doesnt have to make me like his personality. Anyways, I'm kinda ranting. I just don't really like anyone who's labeled as Mr. Perfect. The end.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by jetfire
I just don't really like anyone who's labeled as Mr. Perfect.

I think the whole point about Sasuke (and the main reason I like him) is that he ISN'T perfect... Everybody sees him as this perfect guy who is seemingly great at everything, good looking, and popular...

but he is incredibly flawed, probably moreso than any other character... The only people who know this about him are Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi...

Hes obsessive and self-centered... his entire life revolves around one person and one event to the point where he can get no joy from life, because that life is devoted to revenge... granted its not the most original personality...

Now I guess your wondering why I would pull for a guy who is so "obsessive and self-centered"... well in short I guess I like quiet, angsty characters...

but more than that you see Sasuke's good side... you see what he is really like in those brief moments where he isnt thinking about revenge... you see it also in his flashbacks... he was a good kid, who just became a product of his environment...

but the biggest part of Sasuke (and maybe im stretching it with this) is that he hates himself more than anything - even Itachi... He hates himself for being weak (well he isnt really weak but he sees himself as that)... One might argue that he knows that he is strong because he kept making fun of Naruto, but I really think it was one of those things where he puts Naruto down to bring himself up... so if anything I would say Sasuke is more "unconfident" than "egotistical"

So IMO hes emotionally the weakest of all the characters in Naruto, and in some ways has the most against him... so by no means is he "Mr. Perfect"

[jetfire]

Originally posted by Senshi
I think the whole point about Sasuke (and the main reason I like him) is that he ISN'T perfect... Everybody sees him as this perfect guy who is seemingly great at everything, good looking, and popular...

but he is incredibly flawed, probably moreso than any other character... The only people who know this about him are Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi...

Hes obsessive and self-centered... his entire life revolves around one person and one event to the point where he can get no joy from life, because that life is devoted to revenge... granted its not the most original personality...

Now I guess your wondering why I would pull for a guy who is so "obsessive and self-centered"... well in short I guess I like quiet, angsty characters...

but more than that you see Sasuke's good side... you see what he is really like in those brief moments where he isnt thinking about revenge... you see it also in his flashbacks... he was a good kid, who just became a product of his environment...

but the biggest part of Sasuke (and maybe im stretching it with this) is that he hates himself more than anything - even Itachi... He hates himself for being weak (well he isnt really weak but he sees himself as that)... One might argue that he knows that he is strong because he kept making fun of Naruto, but I really think it was one of those things where he puts Naruto down to bring himself up... so if anything I would say Sasuke is more "unconfident" than "egotistical"

So IMO hes emotionally the weakest of all the characters in Naruto, and in some ways has the most against him... so by no means is he "Mr. Perfect"

I know he really isnt Mr. Perfect, but he does act like it against others quite often. I know he's emotionally weak, but his attitude is just annoying. It's really hard to describe, but it's like his brain is a brick. And nothing you say to him can actually sink into his brain. Like you know how a cow will have only on it's mind to eat grass? Sasuke's only thing on his mind is revenge. I know comparing him to a cow seems a little ridiculous, but he's got such a one track mind. And that's what irritates me about him. Yes, he's had a hard past, and he's not perfect. But still, all he cares about is his one goal, and he struggles to be better than everyone else. Doing both of these isnt really going to achieve much in the end, and no one can be perfect. Yet, he always acts like he needs to be perfect, and that everyone else is worthless. He's just a character that pisses me off.

[Senshi]

Originally posted by jetfire
I know he really isnt Mr. Perfect, but he does act like it against others quite often. I know he's emotionally weak, but his attitude is just annoying. It's really hard to describe, but it's like his brain is a brick. And nothing you say to him can actually sink into his brain. Like you know how a cow will have only on it's mind to eat grass? Sasuke's only thing on his mind is revenge. I know comparing him to a cow seems a little ridiculous, but he's got such a one track mind. And that's what irritates me about him. Yes, he's had a hard past, and he's not perfect. But still, all he cares about is his one goal, and he struggles to be better than everyone else. Doing both of these isnt really going to achieve much in the end, and no one can be perfect. Yet, he always acts like he needs to be perfect, and that everyone else is worthless. He's just a character that pisses me off.

Yeah I see what you mean... he pisses me off sometimes too and I like the guy...

Honestly I think your cow eating grass analogy was good... Cause thats basically what he is... nothing else matters except for revenge which definitely can be annoying since he basically ignores every ones feelings (especially Sakura)...

but you gotta see why I pull for him tho... cause I mean I still believe he really isnt a bad guy... So I hope Naruto or somebody can straighten him out a bit...

[Ninja Realist]

Hmmm, i dont like Sasuke cause he never cries, any kid in an anime that involves death should cry sometimes.


Edit

ooops, not anime, I mean manga.

[Judeau]

Originally posted by realist
Hmmm, i dont like Sasuke cause he never cries, any kid in an anime that involves death should cry sometimes.


Edit

ooops, not anime, I mean manga.


He cries throughout the flashback. As pointed out above revenge leaves little time for other emotion.

[Ninja Realist]

Ya, but if hes not still grieving, whats the point of revenge?

[Demonshadow9]

Originally posted by realist
Ya, but if hes not still grieving, whats the point of revenge?

To continue the plot.I dont like sasuke but its beacuse I dont find him as interesting as the other genins(neji,rock,naruto,ect)

[Ruthran]

Hi all.
Just finished reading chap 227. Pretty much read all chapters in the last week - I was ignoring it previously as I'd heard it was Dragonballish, but I'm enjoying it a lot more than i thought it would.

I really hope it changes pace and story/battle ratio soon as the "chasing Sasuke" arc is starting to wear on me. I'm enjoying the Naruto and Sasuke showdown but found the 1vs1's with Oros henchies very predictable and tiresome.

I'd like Sasuke to stay evil or at least the 'neutral loner' type and do his own thing - 1. To shake up Sakura. Her Sasuke worship really irritates me. 2. To provide a new villain or wildcard. Because he's known and has history with so many of the characters it'd spice things up and make them more personal. Besides, the good guys just got Gaara and the other Sand members, want to keep the power struggle nice and even :D

[Senshi]

Originally posted by Senshi
it could be that sasuke hits him and then he heals it right back...


heh I called it...

but now Kakashi is in the mix... so Im guessing hes gonna get in there to break it up...

[Judeau]

Originally posted by Judeau
i think He's going to end up fine. The end of the chapter eludes to Naruto tapping into the demon fox's chakra so he'll probably get a face load of chidori and somehow overcome it with fox chakra. Hopefully that doesn't happen cause that is major league DBZ like.


I think we all called it. But I didn't plan on Kakashi being in the mix, maybe he'll add something unexpected.

[genki sakura]

Originally posted by genki sakura
Personally, I think someone's gonna jump into the fight.
heh, I called it too, somewhat..ok, maybe not...well sorta..pfft...
Originally posted by Senshi
but now Kakashi is in the mix... so Im guessing hes gonna get in there to break it up...
I don't think he's gonna break it up immediately. Heh, I know it's a long shot, but do you think it's possible that he's gonna let sasuke kill him instead of Naruto...I mean, aren't they somewhat close friends? Then Sasuke will try to summon the mange sharingan and somewhat work, but then he'll fall into a depression or something, then he won't be able to fight properly and then either Naruto will beat him or he'll go after Itachi and then he'll fail miserably out of lack of focus...

[Judeau]

Originally posted by genki sakura
heh, I called it too, somewhat..ok, maybe not...well sorta..pfft...

I don't think he's gonna break it up immediately. Heh, I know it's a long shot, but do you think it's possible that he's gonna let sasuke kill him instead of Naruto...I mean, aren't they somewhat close friends? Then Sasuke will try to summon the mange sharingan and somewhat work, but then he'll fall into a depression or something, then he won't be able to fight properly and then either Naruto will beat him or he'll go after Itachi and then he'll fail miserably out of lack of focus...


well that's highly unlikely

[genki sakura]

Originally posted by Judeau
well that's highly unlikely
I know, that's why I said it was a long shot.
But do you think, more realistically speaking, that Kakashi's gonna break up the fight, or will he just get into the fight and or help Naruto?

[Ruthran]

It'll be interesting - Kakashi's got his whole "take care of your comrades" thing. Will he consider Sasuke as an enemy cos he's 'turned' and is trying to kill Naruto or think of him as another person to be saved?

I'm guessing he'll end up fighting Sasuke but will limit himself to try and disable or capture him and avoid major injuries. Pretty sure he'd kill him if he had to though, can't see him being a 'self-sacrifice' kinda guy.

[Ninja Realist]

nah, i bet Kakashi dies trying to save Naruto, then Naruto gets angry and kills Sasuke, then a grief stricken Sakura kills Naruto in his sleep and then kills herself, it will end like a Shakespearean tragedy, just kidding. But i do think Kakashi might sacrafice himself.

[Demonshadow9]

If anything kakasi will encounter neji and /or choui along the way so I doubt he will get in to the fight in time.
p.s-btw Dogs>frogs>snakes>snail(regarding the summons)lol

[Senshi]

yeah Im with you guys... im definitely seeing a Kakashi sacrificial death somewhere down the line (if not this fight)... Hes just that way you know... You can tell hes got that deep down trauma where hes willing to die...

[nero†]

I also agree that he's gunna die cause in every story some one needs to die...

†

[Demonshadow9]

I also agree that he's gunna die cause in every story some one needs to die...

†

*cough*Choui*cough* Kakasi lives.For the love of god sasuke is a genin a powerful one, but still a genin.The hell would he do to kakashi?If you remeber when sasuke and naruto fought he stopped the chidori and the rasegan at the same time.Why would he just throw himself in front of one and die?Besides it is his technique and if anyone knows how to stop it its him.Also sasuke said he doesnt have the power to do another and in the the flashback kakashi said that if he used it without enough energy he would die.And if a genin can beat a jonin with his fists there would be no meaning to the ranks.And yes I really dont like sasuke , but you got to admit I have a point.
Besides Im telling you guys kakashi's dogs will find neji,choui and the other genins on his way and wont make it in time.

P.S. Now that naruto is going to start healing everything ans sasuke is out of chidori's I think naruto will lay the smackdown long before kakashi arrives.

[genki sakura]

P.S. Now that naruto is going to start healing everything ans sasuke is out of chidori's I think naruto will lay the smackdown long before kakashi arrives.
That's the realistic way of looking at it. Though I don't think the battle would be all that clear cut. A Kakashi moment, though, wouldn't be all that unexpected in my opinion. A question, did Sasuke gain some power from Orochimaru when he was in that coffin thingy?(I'm not sure)If so, then couldn't that make it possible for another chidori? But that would be a real unlikely possibility. And how many rasengans can Naruto pull off?

[jetfire]

Demonshadow has a very good point. If Kakashi lost to Sasuke, that would just be plain useless, and it would certainly make Kakashi look pathetic. I mean, he's a freakin jounin, and not that long ago, he stopped the Chidori and Rasengan with ease. I agree that Kakashi or Kakashi's dogs will find the other genins, since there are many dogs. Kakashi may deal with another opponent though. Who's to say some villian, like Oro or Kabuto might not show up, since it is their plan to get Sasuke. That may be the reason Kakashi would arrive. And if Kakashi would sacrifice himself, I could see him doing it if Oro was trying to take Sasuke. This would give Sasuke and Naruto a chance to escape. But I hope Kakashi won't die, since he is one of my favorite characters, and the manga/show wouldnt seem the same without him.

[genki sakura]

Demonshadow has a very good point. If Kakashi lost to Sasuke, that would just be plain useless, and it would certainly make Kakashi look pathetic. I mean, he's a freakin jounin, and not that long ago, he stopped the Chidori and Rasengan with ease. I agree that Kakashi or Kakashi's dogs will find the other genins, since there are many dogs. Kakashi may deal with another opponent though. Who's to say some villian, like Oro or Kabuto might not show up, since it is their plan to get Sasuke. That may be the reason Kakashi would arrive. And if Kakashi would sacrifice himself, I could see him doing it if Oro was trying to take Sasuke. This would give Sasuke and Naruto a chance to escape. But I hope Kakashi won't die, since he is one of my favorite characters, and the manga/show wouldnt seem the same without him.
true,I guess I never thought of that...eh..I guess I need to go back to school and get my brain running again. :rolleyes:

[Lavi]

as long as someone dies in this battle, i'll be happy. i dunno, i'm starting to hate all the characters in naruto now. except kakashi, since you dont see as much of him in the manga anymore.

[Judeau]

so was just thinking and how about when kakashi gets there and is ready to stop the fight when the #1 charecter itachi comes in and stops kakashi due to the fact that his brother is obtaining the super sharingan.

[Lavi]

its a possibility, but i highly doubt that would happen

[jetfire]

I just saw Naruto 229. Now it's really getting fun to watch here. I really enjoyed watching Naruto kick the crap out of Sasuke. He really deserved it. But I don't understand how Sasuke inherited the mange sharingan (at least I think he did), because he didn't kill Naruto. Guess I'll find out later.

[Judeau]

no he didn't get the mange sharingan, he got a complete sharingan, prior to that his only had two pinwheels while the complete has 3. So now it's better i guess. This chapter was kinda expected and didn't do much forme. Don't know why but whatever.

[triggerman]

well i just have one small question does orochimaru ever find away to unseal his arms and use them agian. i'm not as far done the series as evryone else and don't feel like waiting to find out if he do or doesn't.

[flict0nic]

well i just have one small question does orochimaru ever find away to unseal his arms and use them agian. i'm not as far done the series as evryone else and don't feel like waiting to find out if he do or doesn't.

*SPOILERS*

After losing to Tsunade, he refers to a way where he can use them another way besides her healing them, however, as of right now at chapter 229, they are still sealed.

[~Odin~]

well i just have one small question does orochimaru ever find away to unseal his arms and use them agian. i'm not as far done the series as evryone else and don't feel like waiting to find out if he do or doesn't.
no
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[Illjwamh]

Unless you count when he took over that other dude's body.

[Judeau]

he still can't use them in the new body- the 3rd sealed orochimaru's spirits arms not just that bodies.

[triggerman]

oh i was just wandering. cuase i know that he jiriaya and tsunade fight right? so he would need them or have to do some serious jutsu to beat them.
and i have one more question. does anyone know where i could find like a manga giude to let me know what goes on in which chapter?

[flict0nic]

I know a bunch but I can't post any of the sites because they have torrent links and manga downloads so just google it and you'll surely find a good one within about 30 seconds.

[triggerman]

thanks for your help for you trying to help. i found one and dl'ed chapters 144-150 to try and catch up to the anime. unti'll i get some more tapes. but i might just keep dl chapters instead of watching the anime. this way it is free too.

[Judeau]

just quit watching the anime. forever.

[flict0nic]

just quit watching the anime. forever.

no way anime is so much better

[Illjwamh]

Oh, no. Can we please keep the "Anime vs. Manga" debate out of this?

[triggerman]

no way anime is so much better

no i wouldn't say that i thnk that they both have their pro to each others cons and visversa. i like them both for their own reasons.

[Ski]

Everyone has different tastes for both anime or manga, that doesn't make one better than the other.

In terms of the actual manga storyline right now, this certainly